Séamus Coleman (D Everton b.1988)

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

OK I take you point about there being a difference between winning all three game and winning the league.


However... you seem to have made the case for me!!

If there were 2-1 to win all those 3 games then they should have been about 2-1 to win the league because the two amount to the very same thing.

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That's like saying the odds for Chelsea winning all their games next season, and Chelsea winning the league should be the same, as it amounts to the same thing. Obviously not as dramatic but you see the point. Anyway, Liverpool didn't even need to win all three, they only needed two wins and a draw to be sure. It's also ignoring the fact that City, at the time, had five games they needed to win. That was a massive safety net for your bet on Liverpool winning the league and still is, even with the three games they still need to win.

I think City will drop points at Everton, but if they do I'm unsure about whether Liverpool can beat Palace. They looked absolutely shot against Chelsea. Suarez was running on fumes.

Well done Seamus and well deserved. I still think that Zabaleta is the best right back in the world, so the fact Seamus was considered better than him says it all.

Exactly, and the inclusions of Cech, Kompany and probably even Gerrard show that Coleman had to be at least twice as good as him to get selected.

Yes he is in good Kompany.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Exactly, and the inclusions of Cech, Kompany and probably even Gerrard show that Coleman had to be at least twice as good as him to get selected.

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I think Gerrard has had a great season and probably deserves it, even if it might be a bit of a sentimental choice by players and the media. I think Kompany is a brilliant player and a great captain, but how he is in the team I'll never know. Cech is a great keeper, but I'd have Begovic and De Gea over him this season.

Is it just me or is Begovic the best keeper in the league? If he was playing with one of the so called top clubs, he'd be lauded as a great keeper.

De Gea is the best keeper in the league for me. I don't think it's even close.

I'd agree with you Charlie.

Begovic is widely recognised around the wider footballing community as being a magnificent keeper.

Utd were touted as a destination before De Gea popped up.

Yeah I think Liverpool had their eye on Begovic as well but opted with Mignolet in the end. Fine keeper for sure. I agree with your view on Kompany as well Bungle, he's usually a top player but to be honest you could make an excellent bloopers video out of his performances this season. I think Gerrard's performances have been magnified out of all proportion due to Liverpool doing so well.

I had Filet Mignolet one time in a steak house.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Yeah I think Liverpool had their eye on Begovic as well but opted with Mignolet in the end. Fine keeper for sure.

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I agree with your view on Kompany as well Bungle, he's usually a top player but to be honest you could make an excellent bloopers video out of his performances this season.

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Yes

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I think Gerrard's performances have been magnified out of all proportion due to Liverpool doing so well.

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Yes

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

I had Filet Mignolet one time in a steak house.

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There was story on this forum about some irish? football who complained his Halibut steak steak tasted of fish?

Anyone who it was or has a link?

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

There was story on this forum about some irish? football who complained his Halibut steak steak tasted of fish?

Anyone who it was or has a link?

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You'll find all the answers you need in the Conor Sammon thread.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

You'll find all the answers you need in the Conor Sammon thread.

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Ah yea. I though it was that one but I had a quick look but didn't see it, will try again now I know.

Of course it is appropriator it is the thread of someone with such a fishy name.

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Ah yea. I though it was that one but I had a quick look but didn't see it, will try again now I know.

Of course it is appropriator it is the thread of someone with such a fishy name.

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You may have missed the joke, Tricko.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

You may have missed the joke, Tricko.

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Almost, however I found the joke after a somewhat fruitless search of the Conor Sammon
thread.

My laughter was not prolonged :)

Anyway as it was not Sammon anyone know who the story was about, I think I found the story
by clicking on a link in a thread here but I am not sure which Irish player it was about.
I tried looking but there were a lot of threads to search through.

I think the gist of it was some Irish player did not know what to order from a menu
and a more senior player suggested the Haddock Steak, so I was looking at threads
about 'thick' Irish players or more senior Irish, the more senior person might not even have been
Irish.


I was thinking of perhaps Nial Quinn or John O Shea for the senior player, I don't want to
list the Irish players I consider a bit thick or rather uncultured, however I think we all have
an idea of players most would consider rather 'uncultured'.

I think the thread was from 3-4 weeks ago.

Player of the Season and Player's Player of the Season at Everton: http://www.evertonfc.com/history/col...-of-the-season

Hugely deserved. I think Zabaleta is still the best right-back in England, as his masterclass tonight showed, but Coleman has the capability to pass him out and be one of the best.

http://footballrepublic.ie/seamus-co...gland-call-up/

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

http://footballrepublic.ie/seamus-co...gland-call-up/

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I think Gareth Bale has more reason to feel aggrieved at his lack of a call up.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

I think Gareth Bale has more reason to feel aggrieved at his lack of a call up.

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Not sure he can have too many complaints after he snubbed the England Olympic team.

Well, they missed out on Bale but the English did manage to grab Leighton Baines.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Not sure he can have too many complaints after he snubbed the England Olympic team.

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Actually he was ridiculed for not snubbing them if I remember right, but ended up pulling out through injury anyway... and then not actually being injured when the games began!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...b-Arsenal.html

I don't know if the interest from Arsenal or Man Utd is concrete, but if it is, it is insanity to sign a new contract at Everton; the goal of every footballer should be to play at the highest possible level. He is never going to get Champions League football at Everton and he is never going to win trophies at Everton. It would be good for Irish football if he moved to a big club but c'est la vie... the cycle continues. Stay in your comfort zone.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...b-Arsenal.html

I don't know if the interest from Arsenal or Man Utd is concrete, but if it is, it is insanity to sign a new contract at Everton; the goal of every footballer should be to play at the highest possible level. He is never going to get Champions League football at Everton and he is never going to win trophies at Everton. It would be good for Irish football if he moved to a big club but c'est la vie... the cycle continues. Stay in your comfort zone.

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Jaysus, you're a dreary sort.

Dreary for wanting our players to play at the highest level? This lad will be turning 27 shortly after the completion of the first year of his new contract. How many chances does he think he's going to get to compete for trophies and play Champions League football?

Luke Shaw is eight years younger than Coleman and he is moving to Man Utd for 30 mil. Coleman will approach 30, look at Leighton Baines, and might regret his lack of ambition.

Everton are not strong enough to qualify for the CL or win trophies. I just wonder about the thought process like. If I was in his position I would be loyal to myself and not Everton.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...b-Arsenal.html

I don't know if the interest from Arsenal or Man Utd is concrete, but if it is, it is insanity to sign a new contract at Everton; the goal of every footballer should be to play at the highest possible level. He is never going to get Champions League football at Everton and he is never going to win trophies at Everton. It would be good for Irish football if he moved to a big club but c'est la vie... the cycle continues. Stay in your comfort zone.

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That's a bit of a leap in logic. Aren't you judging someone prematurely yet again there without full knowledge of the facts? If you don't know whether or not the rumoured interest is concrete - and it hasn't been verified by any source - how on earth can you condemn Coleman for failing to entertain it? Maybe he's not entertaining anything because there's nothing to entertain at present. You don't actually know if he's been turning down chances to play for the likes of Arsenal or Manchester United. The alleged interest sounds like typical media speculation; you'll note the publication... If Arsenal were actually chasing Coleman, the story wouldn't be tagged onto the end of a Daily Mail article about him signing a new contract with Everton.

Besides, Everton are a club that look to be going places under Martinez. Insanity? It's called security. Insanity would be turning down a lucrative upgrade and extension on your contract with no certainty of a viable alternative in the pipeline.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...b-Arsenal.html

I don't know if the interest from Arsenal or Man Utd is concrete, but if it is, it is insanity to sign a new contract at Everton; the goal of every footballer should be to play at the highest possible level. He is never going to get Champions League football at Everton and he is never going to win trophies at Everton. It would be good for Irish football if he moved to a big club but c'est la vie... the cycle continues. Stay in your comfort zone.

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It's very easy to sit on the internet and accuse other people of lacking ambition. Some might even say that's your comfort zone. I suspect Coleman is an ambitious player who feels his ambitions can be met by Everton in the short term and also that signing a new contract doesn't in any way mean he won't be able to get a move to a higher level, considering he was already had something like three years to run on his existing one.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Insanity would be turning down a lucrative upgrade and extension on your contract with no certainty of a viable alternative in the pipeline.

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Tbf he is probably the best RB in the premiership, doubt he would have a problem in getting one of the top 4 to come in for him which is the only reason he is being offer a lucrative contract at Everton as they know full well one of the top-tier teams would be happy to have him.

I have to agree with TheOneWhoKnocks in that I'm a bit disappointed to see him sign a 5 year deal with Everton as I feel he is good enough to take the step up and play for one of the top teams regularly competing in the CL.

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Originally Posted by Morbo

Tbf he is probably the best RB in the premiership, doubt he would have a problem in getting one of the top 4 to come in for him which is the only reason he is being offer a lucrative contract at Everton as they know full well one of the top-tier teams would be happy to have him.

I have to agree with TheOneWhoKnocks in that I'm a bit disappointed to see him sign a 5 year deal with Everton as I feel he is good enough to take the step up and play for one of the top teams regularly competing in the CL.

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I don't doubt his talent. Just saying that if clubs like Arsenal or United were actually chasing after him, we'd surely have heard a bit more about it than from a Daily Mail piece that mentions the supposed interest in him as a secondary element to add a bit of juice to the story. I'm sure he'd give serious consideration to any offer from a bigger club and wouldn't just pass up the opportunity if it arose. Besides, as Charlie says, signing a new contract doesn't necessarily shut off the possibility of a bigger club coming in for him in the future; he had another three years to run anyway. If they deem him good enough and they're serious enough about him, he'll get his move. He's improving his lot for now and I think it would be unfair to accuse him of lacking ambition.

OK.. now that we are over the disappointment of Seamus Coleman pledging his future to Everton: http://backpagefootball.com/seamus-c...osition/78965/

What is Seamus' best position?

Right back, simple. I knew centre midfield was going to crop up though, just because Coleman shares some similarities with Lahm.

His overlaps, dribbles and beautifully whipped crosses would have to be nullified if he played in the middle. Not much point in that.

He doesn't have Lahm characteristics. Full back, pure and simple.

I'm trying to dig it out now but who was it that said recently that modern-day full-backs see more ball than almost anyone?

EDIT: This article highlights the impact of the full-back on the World Cup in quite good detail
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/...ed-more-theirs

This isn't what I was referring to. It was someone with a tad more authority than a journo. Guess I'll never figure it out.

Martin O'Neill said recently that in his experience an attacking full back is just that, a full back. Rarely does an attacking full back ever properly become an effective wide midfielder.

If I may blow my own trumpet (I regularly do on these pages) I have long posited the view that a full back will have 3 essential components or instincts: defensive, attacking wide player and central midfielder's presence of mind. The first two are obvious but the third is less well appreciated generally. The full back is often the first recipient of the ball in the development phase. As well as his wide instincts he must also have the presence of mind to look up and pick a pass, and a pass at any angle not just a nudge up the line. Very often the pass is a diagonal pass inside, but perhaps past a first line of defence. This is why I think a modern full back has a bit of a central midfielder about him, and Irwin was a super example. To summarise: a full back should be a defender, a carrier and someone who can pick a pass, any, pass, from a tight space.

Lahm is exceptional in that he can do all of these expertly. Our Seamie? I'd say two-and-bit out of three.

Yeah, in relation to the three traits you refer to, Seamie is better at carrying and defending than he is at picking passes in tight spaces. In fact, he's a better passer when he uses his pace and acceleration to make that added couple of feet for himself. Central midfield being more congested won't necessarily allow him that. Although, I must qualify my assertion by saying that Roy Keane was the perfect example of someone who used his acceleration immediately upon receiving the ball to give him extra time to find a pass, but he played in midfield all his career.

He probably could do a job in midfield, let it not be said that I'm denying that. But he's a cracking right-back and he offers enough there in terms of creating chances and thwarting opposition attacks that shifting him elsewhere would be a cost/benefit exercise whereby I'm not sure the effect of the benefits would outweigh the cumulative impact of the costs.

Anyone think him & McClean would be worth a look on either side of a 5 in a 5-3-2 in a friendly ?

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Anyone think him & McClean would be worth a look on either side of a 5 in a 5-3-2 in a friendly ?

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possibly, but do we have 3 decent centre backs to suit that formation though?

Coincidentally, Harry Redknapp plans on playing Richard Dunne as one of three center backs along with Rio Ferdinand and Steve Caulker.