That was actually quite funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Printable View
That was actually quite funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
More an observation than an insult, and not that offensive really, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
But you are always jumping to rash and poorly-considered conclusions. You'd nearly think you had some sort of agenda. And you are incredibly reactionary (and thin-skinned/hypersensitive). You're distrustful to the point of paranoia and always assume the worst in people; everyone's out to get you, supposedly. You scaremonger and always fear the worst will come to pass. I mean, it's good to be circumspect with a healthy dose of cynicism, but you take the biscuit. You're constantly assuming it is your business to tell people in the public eye how to act, behave or decide on particular matters that concern their lives (and not yours). On social issues, I understand you oppose recognition for same-sex marriage (without explanation; a very conservative, anti-liberal position) and recall you supporting the strict enforcement of the disastrous and knee-jerk Offensive Behaviour at Football Act in Scotland (or the introduction of tougher measures even?) during a previous discussion. You habitually shirk or deny the notion of self-responsibility and constantly blame others for matters that your own side can control if they wanted to; denying Martin O'Neill's responsibility over/ability to conclude the Grealish saga is a perfect example of that. You wallow in victimhood and are compulsively offended. You were going mad about a proposed Channel 4 comedy series based around the Irish famine before it has even been made. Generally blaming the Brits/English for this and that throughout the "say anything on your mind" thread. Then there were the derogatory comments about people with tattoos, for which you apologised after I pulled you up on them, before later accusing me of picking on you over it despite your earlier admission that you had been out-of-order. Completely contradictory. I could go on...
What can I say? You genuinely fascinate me.
Some generous revisionism going on there. You went a bit further than merely having held the positions you claim to have above all this time.Quote:
As it stands, I took a position that Grealish wasn't fully committed to Ireland months before he pulled out of a squad in Autumn and, lo and behold, he wasn't fully committed. That may change. I also maintain the position that the Grealish's are not being fully transparent throughout this affair, due to comments they have made, comments MONKeano have made and things that have transpired over the last several months. I also posit that the onus is on Grealish and to place any culpability on his club manager and/or national team managers is illicit.
On culpability, do you deny that bringing conclusion of this situation is within O'Neill's hands? Do you deny he could issue an ultimatum tomorrow if he wanted to?
Of course you have. You've been nothing but upstanding and honest throughout. I wouldn't doubt that for a second.Quote:
I have been pragmatic, realistic and courteous throughout the entire mess.
Thread locked, talk to me in September, or when Grealish confirms his international future, whichever comes first
To clarify, there will be no other mentions of Grealish, his father, or any reported conversations between either of them and any member of the management team in the Ireland forum until September
Aston Villa have tweeted from their official account that Grealish has declared for England: https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/sta...65586725474304
and from his own account: https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/st...68966285963264Quote:
BREAKING NEWS: @JackGrealish1 has made a decision over his international future and opted to play for England. #AVFC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CP_TFplWcAAavmb.jpg
There's been a few stories lately that he had been going to declare for England, and previously he'd issued a denial but this time stayed quiet, so I'm not too surprised. If nothing else, the saga is over and we can all get on with our lives.
(queue two pages of "I told you so, even when I didn't tell you, I told you so")
Close thread. Please. Close the thread.
good luck to him but I doubt he will get even 10 eng caps.
Best of luck Jack.
He is still ours to lose, said who, when?
obvious for a year or more now. good to fiñally put it to bed.
About time. Time to move on.
Had given up on the little ballbag along time ago. He is a talent but looks like he will be a prima donna. Let's move on and focus on Irish players who want to play for their country.
Rumors that Jonathan Barnett (his agent) had a big part in this. He said a few years ago, "If Gareth Bale had chosen England instead of Wales he would be ten times richer" (or words to that effect). Anyone know if Barnett is the agent for any other Irish players?
Can't wait for his first presser with England.
Reporter: So Jack - what persuaded you to pledge your allegiance to England.
JG: It was a no-brainer really!
Ah well. I'd have liked if he chose us but he tore the arse out of the whole thing really. I'd like to be the bigger man and wish him the best of luck, but not wishing him the worst of luck is the best I can muster at the moment.
Im not bothered really, if he had really been ours to lose like was said time and again on here then I would be. But how can you be sad or angry for something you never had? If tomorrow you told me we were losing robbie Brady to England then I would be. just some very ñaive people out there.
A blessing, imo. There'd be an almighty clamour for him to be picked and this Irish side most certainly can't accommodate a player like him at the moment and I don't see that changing anytime soon. We could also do without the frenzy he'd bring.
I like him but a Damien Duff he is not.
The next Stephen Froggatt. Yawn.
Though MO'N is a tool for not capping him v.the Theme Park, a year ago...
thread moved.
I'll lock it again if the comments get abusive.
so you slag Grealish off by comparing him to Stephen froggatt and then abuse MON for not tieing him to us. makes perfect senseQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
thank god that's over.
The right decision. Eventually. He is an English lad with English parents. I've no problem with Granny-rule players but I'd never expect them to feel particularly Irish. If they want to play for us and give their all then that's enough for me. But the lad appears talented and has to back himself in this situation that he will make the team of the country of his birth. That said I'm still a football fan ruled by his heart so I hope he goes on to have a ferociously woeful career.
Feeling really, really disappointed by this. All the best to him. Whilst I understand his decision, I don't understand why played with the emotions of passionate Irish supporters who would have loved to see him stay with us.
I can only just point to his award for under 21 player of the year and his response to Tony O'Donoghue's questions. I find that insulting, looking back on it so I wish him well but I do so begrudgingly.
Can't disagree with you here, even though I want to wish him well. I'm sure if he ever lines out against us then he'll face plenty of boos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
I'd love to take the moral high-ground on that one but I can't. The Sterling boos were pathetic. I think that hostility from Ireland in this case support would be some way understandable.
Not that I'd ever abuse him if I met him. I feel disappointed more than angry. "You could have been our hero" would be my sentiment towards him. "You could have been our hero but now your an English one cap wonder" probably carries more impact but I'm not sure if I want that to be the case.
Good luck to the lad but he's about 5th or 6th at least in line for a starting spot and those ahead of him will be in the squad for the next 5-10 years so he's an uphill task, also Barnett definitely held sway there with the ££££. He'll be doing well to get 15-20 caps, most of them as a sub for them but if he's happy with that good luck to him, I'm sure the cut his agent is on of all his commercial deals is even happier.
Now, can we just move on to Nathan Redmond and Dan Crowley?
:D
I would have loved him to have played for us but was obvious last year he wasn't going to.
One door shuts and another can open... MoN could give Mark Noble a call. :p
Disappointing for Irish football and supporters, but it's his choice and best of luck to him.
I'd written something a few weeks ago after Sam Wallace reported a decision in favour of England was imminent at the time. It's still applicable, if anyone's interested in having a read: https://danieldcollins.wordpress.com...onal-decision/
To summarise, I don't think we have much right to be getting indignant about this seeing as we've been happy to give him the time he wanted and we're also more than happy to benefit from the system which allows dual national footballers a choice, so we ought to accept it when it goes against us too. We weren't powerless in all of this either. Some would have us believe a helpless football association was being strung along by a 20-year-old, but we could have called an end to it at any time; the reason we didn't was because we ultimately stood to benefit and didn't want to blow our chance of seeing him line out in the green at senior level.
Interestingly, there's been a lot of talk he'll be called into the England squad for their games against Estonia/Lithuania. That will not be possible as it takes 3-6 months for a switch request to be processed by the Players' Status Committee. Unless he made the application some time ago but kept it under wraps, whilst insisting a decision was yet to be made; the FAI would have been aware though, so I don't think that's likely.
Jamie O'Hara is still eligible....Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
Grealish wouldn't have been available for that game. He got cold feet any time O'Neill raised the idea of bringing him into the senior team. It seems in hindsight that any offer by O'Neill would merely have hastened the decision to take time out to mull over his long-term options.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I read speculation (and it is only that, although does seem plausible) that the reason there was confusion over the US friendly game (if you recall, Kevin Grealish/John Fallon were initially reporting that Grealish would be in the squad although there was no sign of him when the squad was announced), was because Grealish was happy to be selected for friendly games and had made himself available for these games only but Martin O'Neill was not prepared to accept this. The theory goes that O'Neill wanted Jack to make himself available for all games, both friendly and competitive, or none.
which is exactly the correct stance MON should have takenQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I wouldn't disagree. I would have no problem whatsoever with such a stance, if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Almost the biggest topic ever in World Football Forum - shame. It's almost like seeing a friend's name in an obituary column.
To think of all those Saturday afternoon's I wasted scrolling down the LiveScore app to see if he'd done anything of note for Notts County!
The key to our most successful periods have been a core of players prepared to give 110 per cent every time they play for their country and JG obviously doesn't fit that category. Not just for us but also for England given how much time it took him to make his mind up. Good luck to him but I'm glad its over. The focus on him was a bit insulting for the players we already have in our panel and ultimately a bit deflating now he has chosen England. I hope a lesson is learned and we spend a lot less time trying to persuade others in similar situations if they are not already committed. We have a taste of how the Nordies feel.
Villa managers have form for this..
"Dorigo was initially called up by Australia for the 1986 World Cup qualifying campaign. However Aston Villa manager Tony Barton refused Dorigo permission to travel.[2] Barton felt that playing for Australia would be a waste of time for Dorigo as their opponents were generally weaker opposition from Oceania"
CD said:Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Quote:
we could see him in the travelling party to the US this summer, but even if he doesn't I think he's committed to us.
This post is from April 2011. The writing was always on the wall...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
whoscored stats,
Grealish 114th, Brady 14th
Villa have lost every PL game Grealish played this season.
Disagree, some players who are born in England but come from an Irish family, consider themselves to be IRISH not English and are proud to wear the green.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
As regards JG, the lads wouldn't of accepted him in the squad if they thought he'd been hanging on for England and then used us as his 2nd choice if England hadn't picked him.
When you wear the Green, you have to be 100% committed to both your country and your fellow players, that's one of our strengths.
Proud to be Irish.
Dunphy using the Grealish decision to have a factually-suspect go at Martin and Roy again: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2015/...ping-grealish/
I'm pretty sure Roy's comment about Kevin Grealish wasn't said in complete seriousness and they seemed to have an OK relationship in spite of it. Both parties spoke of their positive relationship and I recall Roy commenting in an interview that he appreciated Grealish's dilemma, having also personally expressed such to Kevin Grealish.Quote:
Originally Posted by RTÉ
Martin's comment on upcoming games perhaps being too much for Grealish was before the impressive FA Cup semi-final performance, wasn't it? That was when he entered the English sporting public/media's consciousness, and probably Dunphy's too!
Grealish had asked Martin for time to weigh up his options by August of 2014, as confirmed in this handy timeline of events, so he obviously was never going to be available for the Gibraltar game in the second week of October of 2014. He also pulled out of an under-21 squad that October, which serves to reinforce the reality that he would not have been available.
As for capping him 18 months ago, he was still at Notts County in League One at the time. Did Dunphy even know who Grealish was then? Doubt it. Either way, you can't just cap youngsters willy-nilly in competitive games to tie them because they show a bit of potential. If that was an actual policy and it cost us silly points, you can be sure Dunphy would be pointing the finger at the "incompetence" of the management team.
Is utilising the "granny rule" so extensively really good for Irish football or is it just a means of papering over the massive cracks in our own developmental infrastructure? We shouldn't be ashamed of using it, no - the likes of Algeria use to quite a lot too; nothing wrong with it per se - but stronger nations certainly don't "piggyback" so extensively like we do; it's indicative of a failure at home and has let the FAI off the hook time and time again for far too long. It would be much more preferable for the health of Irish football if we did not have to keep relying on it and getting dragged into desperate long-term will-he-or-won't-he sagas like this Grealish affair.
You can only convince eligible players born outside Ireland to declare if they actually want to. Martin has spoken with numerous players or their representatives, including Harry Kane, Patrick Bamford and Nathan Redmond, as far as I know. Daniel Crowley is another with whom the FAI have been in touch (and it looks like we might be in luck in this instance). Also Cyrus Christie, obviously. Possibly Mark Noble and Curtis Davies too? That's all he can do. What else does Dunphy expect the management to do with eligible players if they're not all that keen because they think they have a genuine future chance with England? Hold a gun to their heads?
Diego Costa qualified for Spain through residency after acquiring Spanish nationality, by the way.
Basically, Dunphy is talking through his arse, as usual.