What an embarrassment, and it's only a few minutes in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
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What an embarrassment, and it's only a few minutes in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
And McNamee on "Dual Nationality"Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
Not surprising unfortunately
Northern Ireland fans venting their spleens - small-time mentality clearly evident.
Any chance anyone can get on the blower and state the facts?
It seems like it's a pre-recorded show.
Well the writing, printing and reproducing of that WSC article was a complete waste of time...
Interesting to hear Liam Coyle's thoughts,
Coyle had a terrible time at Windsor Park: "While standing for the English national anthem, a section of the supporters were giving me dogs abuse, calling me a Provo and shouting 'Go back to Derry, you Fenian scum'," Coyle recalled.
I missed that and they won't have it on podcast.
Next broadcast (before hitting the bin for good)
Thursday, 19:30 on BBC Radio Ulster
Also on his Wiki page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
More fool him & his ilk for turning out for that shower...
And people wonder about the reticence of Messrs. Duffy, Gibson, McClean and perhaps Ferguson.
The article was written by Aaron Rogan - an ROI supporter, from the Republic Of Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Seems you were wrong.
Relating to a match 22 years ago...Coyle's only cap - attended by the lowest crowd for a Northern Ireland home international in memory. (If memory serves me correctly, it clashed with the Liverpool v Arsenal title decider, which was live on TV).Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
I did warn posters that the Radio Ulster documentary would be low on accuracy.:rolleyes:
Low? An understatement!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Somebody should tell Liam Coyle - with his hang ups about Windsor Park and Catholic kids - that the host Club have several Catholic players, at all levels of the Club, only too willing to come and play for Linfield FC at Windsor Park.
Perhaps he should look at the reception Patrick McCourt receives these days, rather than referring to incidents 22 years ago.
Indeed, nothing like labelling someone a Provo would happen these days... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Please be accurate.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
A "Provo supporter" - self confessed.;)
Really?
Who?
:rolleyes:
NB, in my opinion, Coyle does not at all appear to be anti-IFA or at all adverse to the idea of someone playing for the IFA. As a man (an icon) from Derry who played for Northern Ireland once, the BBC people have asked him his thoughts and he's given his honest summation of the situation, which is fair enough - you can't really expect him to be an IFA cheerleader when his own experience of playing for Northern Ireland wasn't particularly enjoyable, even though he doesn't regret it. He's not alone in that regard.
The views of the NI fans interviewed are so ignorant: This "play for where you're born" stuff is very insular.
But he is being accurate - McClean and others have been variously called "wee provo fcukers" or "wee sectarian toe-rags" among other things. Blind fury is the default response when "your" players opt for the FAI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
These kids have the right to play for the ROI. There are many kids now making their way through FAI development squads who may one day want to play for the country of their parents, so its is something the Republic will have to become acquainted with themselves.
From what I could read, the article by Rogan on WSC is just bland. He doesn't demonstrate that he has actually read/understood the statutes, or have the first notion about Irish identity, yet he doesn't stick his foot in too deep either. He appears to swallow the claptrap scare theory of sectarian divisions being entrenched.
He does incorrectly claim the IFA have taken several unsuccessful cases to the CAS. And we all know, that while it is a believable notion that the IFA would be quite capable of going repeatedly to the CAS against all known wisdom, they could only afford to finance one such folly.
If WSC prints that, it can't be too difficult to get an article on there.
Except for Danny, being restricted to a 1000 words would severely cramp his style.
'Interesting' assertion by Linfield's 'finest' upthread about Aaron Rogan being 'an ROI supporter'?
Are you sure of that, despite the name? And surely by default he must also then be a 'provo'?
:rolleyes:
Not to mention the 'blind' hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
But when did their ignorance or paranoia ever stop them exhibiting such archaic views??Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
How do we know this Aaron Rogan is an Ireland fan? To be honest, I wouldn't get that impression from the slant he takes; describing James McClean's "defection" as having been executed in a "particularly galling manner" and failing to understand the nature of Irish nationality amongst other things.
A few points:
- The "defections" may be more high-profile in recent times, but it isn't accurate to say the FAI has begun selecting an increasing number of northern-born players.
- Armstrong's role clearly is not only to persuade players to remain within the IFA's set-up; the scope of his role also extends to convincing players currently registered with other associations to declare for the IFA, or what many NI fans like to call poaching.
- The Carling Nations Cup boycott organised by the AoNISC that eventually became a reality was solely down to disgruntlement over the travel arrangements for NI fans; some bright spark on OWC then suggested after the fact that they try and play it off as if the boycott was also provoked by the player eligibility issue. Certain parties then began pushing this fabrication in the media. If this was "barely publicised", that was probably due to the fact that it wasn't the real issue. The reality was that ideas for an initial boycott over the player eligibility issue had already failed miserably.
- I'm not sure I understand what he means by an "opportunistic approach taken by the FAI". Every association is free to take the opportunity to operate within the legal framework set out by FIFA. It's not as if the FAI have struck lucky and are operating shrewdly through some unique loophole applicable only to them.
- "FIFA statutes do not inhibit their decision to represent the Republic, even without geographic or familial ties." - Clearly, Rogan has never read the relevant statutes. The general eligibility principle has absolutely nothing to do with "geographic or familial ties".
- As geysir points out, I don't know what these "several" cases taken against the FAI to the CAS are.
Aaron's previous articles for WSC:Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
March 2011: RoI wary of having a Macedonia
November 2010: Shamrock Rovers win the League of Ireland
October 2009: Decisive Dublin Derby
July 2009: Shamrock Rovers to take on Galacticos
March 2009: Crisis over for League of Ireland
There does sem to be a recurring theme...
But we all know the IFA travel arrangement security plan was a very convenient excuse for the OWC fans to bottle out of witnessing the inevitable drubbing of a weakened NI team :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I think it's fair enough for Rogan to write about the boycott (that world famous Fenian act of protest).
Some sort of a boycott plan existed, whilst it was not the reason why the OWC fans did not travel, talk and support of the sentiments involved in the boycott was in many ways representative of how OWC perceived the eligibility issue.
It's a difficult one for the OWC to understand, that nationhood is not partitioned.
He's from the South. So I'll withdraw what I said and instead underline he's an even bigger idiot than I realised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Just because he is from the South means jack.
He could be from Dublin or worse, Cork.
He could be a member of the average ignorant southern gobs community that look upon anything north of the border, with condescension.
He's a Shams fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
He didn't wlk out he wuz sent home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
/rage
Typical Corkonian, too lazy to use the appropriate smilie but want to subvert what passes for discussion board norms.
Yet more nonsense from Gerry Armstrong on Radio Ulster this morning. They were doing a piece on yesterdays documentary, when the interviewer and another contributer pushed Armstrong on his "immoral approaches" of 14 & 15 year olds, he had to conceed that he didn't have any evidence of such that tied anyone allegedly talking to them of having any connection to the FAI whatsoever!
Oh, and he was still waffling on about the GFA.
Fair play Swan.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
The Northern Ireland fans who claimed the boycott was in relation to the eligibility issue (which it wasn't, as you correctly state) have been rather quiet about the "poaching" of Alex Bruce by the IFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I wonder if/when he is named in a Northern Ireland squad will they boycott the fixture?
Dear God.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Yes, quite sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Who exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Hopefully. The last boycott worked a treat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
The Northern Ireland fans who claimed the raison d'etre of the Carling Cup boycott was because of the eligibility issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
And who are they since they "have been rather quiet about the "poaching" of Alex Bruce by the IFA"? Or were you generalising?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Some of those who post on NI fans' forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
There's a poll on the OWC's facebook page where 209 votes out of 270 votes in total (77% of all votes) were for the option "I do not agree with the nicking of players by the FAI" to the question "Why are you not attending the Carling Nations Cup?".Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil