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Not me, says Carsley.
Well now. Does this mean the FAI have someone else lined up, or were they waffling about an appointment next month?
Are they praying O'Shea does a halfway decent job to cover for asking him to take it?
Or are the rumours true, and is Leo Varadkar taking the job?
That's a fairly big thing to bull**** about, isn't it?!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Can we spare a thought for Razor who will shortly wake up to this news!
I think it might actually point to Gus Poyet now to be honest.
Also... i wonder why it took Carsley until now to say something if it was dead in November (though he has chosen his words fairly carefully I'm sure). No matter what way I look at it, he doesn't come out of this looking particularly good. But then again, why didnt the FAI also rule him out? Its a weird one.
give it sheasy!!!!
I've been thinking it's Poyet since they started talking about the new guy has contractual agreements to fulfill.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Poyet will leave Greece when their campaign ends - either next week or after the Euros.
Only reason he's went public now is because he's in front of the media because they've matches. If they had no matches I doubt he'd ever have went public.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Willy Sagnol the current favourite on PP.
Absolutely sick Stu. If they roll out Poyet at this point I might puke.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Carsely saying he only had 1 informal meeting in november and it went no futher, why not rule yourself out properly then. His mate Kilbane was still writing that negotiations were happening until recently. Someone is lying.
The whole secrecy surrounding the appointment has become a joke. If they dont have a rabbit made of solid gold to pull out of a hat at this point heads need to roll.
What a way to start the day, in bad form before I even got out of fcuking bed!
I was told there was a major news item about to break in Irish media today and there it was on the RTÉ front webpage 'Carsley rules himself out....'
Is it reading too much into it that his reply to the initial FAI interview was that he'd consider the appointment,
"There was a feeling that I would go and do a senior job after the summer but speaking to [FA technical director] John McDermott and other people, I’m committed to this campaign," said Carsley,
He might have been the coach to sort out a decent defensive midfield formation, even a 4231 on occasion. Now we can get back to moaning about that hapless hand ball against Turkey.
Coming from the Star, this has to be taken with a lorry load of salt, but they're claiming that Southgate is being lined up by Man U to replace Erik Ten Hag:Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...usive-32389130
Aside from the obvious, I could see why this would tempt Southgate just now i.e. have a good Euro's and he could leave on a high; have a bad one and, well, he needn't care too much (though it would add even more pressure on him at OT).
Either way maybe Carsley now sees his route to the big job with England sooner than he expected?
(Btw I reserve the right to deny posting any of this if/when it should turn out to be nonsense :cool:)
Even if his chances of getting the England job are slim to none he's right to wait until the summer to see what's happening with Southgate post Euros rather than take the Ireland job. There's been talk since the WC that Southgate will be leaving post Euros.
Also maybe Carsley has no interest in being a senior manager. The lad has an excellent job that pays well and he lives close enough to St George's Park too that it's an easy commute.
That claim was disected on football365 earlier: https://www.football365.com/news/sou...ite-mediawatchQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Basically international break + man utd story = clicks.
What has Southgate done at club level to warrant even being a candidate for the Man Utd job ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Some would say that even what he has done with England, would not be enough to warrant him being a candidate for the Man Utd job ~ ~ Man Utd are in a mess and have been for a very long time ~ ~ I am not sure any manager can take them back to the top, without huge long term spending, and all the money you need for that and more ! !
He's only being linked because he's English. Brexit Jim has went on about signing more English talent for United and wanted to appoint Graham Potter at Nice. Chances are Potter might well be the next manager after Ten Hag.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
I'm now more convinced than ever that it's Poyet. Though I will admit that the timing of his resignation does add some credence to NeverFeltBetter's Varadkar theory.
Potter's connection with Man U is not through Ratcliffe but through Dan Ashworth. It was Ashworth who shafted Chris Hughton at Brighton so Ashworth could bring in Potter (he was appointed technical director in February and Hughton was sacked in May). If Potter gets appointed at Man U it will be because Ashworth wants him there. And to be clear - Potter has done very little to warrant being appointed Man U manager (Southgate has a much better CV and he should still be way down the list).Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
The Varadkar and Kylie Minogue dream team ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
Yeah, the more I think about it now, the more it looks like it will be Poyet. Especially if you look at his comments earlier in the year
"To manage a national team like that would be a privilege, and to play with that support would be spectacular.
"Saying that, right now, the timing is not right. I have got the play-off, I am focused on the play-off.
I don't think he had agreed the job at that point, but that's pretty much exactly what you'd expect someone who wants it but doesn't want to say it while employed by Greece to say.
Throw in that there doesn't seem to be any further comments beyond that and that Greece haven't offered him a new contract and therefore his contract runs out in 10 days and it does seem to all add up to Poyet being the man.
Unless the FAI are going to pull a rabbit out of the hat with Sagnol. That would be impressive, and therefore I fear it's beyond the capabilities of the association.
Was listening to a Swedish football podcast this morning, and Janne Andersson (former Swedish manager) said that if everything falls into place, he expects to be appointed as an international manager next week. Very doubtful it's Ireland, as results wise he's as much as a failure as Kenny, but it's been all wild guessing with the names up to now so who knows ...
Comparing him to Kenny is pretty dubious. He had a very successful first half of his time with Sweden, bringing them to the quarter finals of a World Cup. If you look through his results — his Swedish teams beat a lot of top nations in key matches as well over the years. In comparison with some of the other names floated, I think we could do a lot worse than Andersson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I don't think it can be him though, as what reason would there have been to hold off until April? We're told that our man has existing contractual commitments which would seem to rule out Andersson.
(Incidentally as Sweden manager he qualified them for both the Euros and the World Cup, leading them to the knockouts both times, including the World Cup quarter finals, as well as winning a Nations League B group before it went wrong on him. That's more of a Jack Charlton record than it is a Stephen Kenny one!)
Interesting how several players and other irish football people have been bigging up o'shea anad saying he could do the job full time. Fair enough he's a new manager and that's part and parcel of media duties, and maybe it's the way it's been reported but I've read comments from at least Coleman, Nathan Collins, Killian Phillips and now Crawford - https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...605538878.html - praising josh.
The contractual thing until April might not mean what we think it does. Instead of someone being employed until now, what if it is someone who was fired and in order to receive payoff they couldnt be in employment for a year or something like that.
Like laughing at your own jokes, replying to your own post is weird, but.... I looked it up. Graham Potter fired April 2nd last season. Not saying anything else other than it's just a new theoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
He was on something like ten million a year. For all that he's now on no million a year, I think it's a stretch.
I'm not gonna make an argument for him, it's probably not... but we would have also said no hope of Trapattoni
Poyet seems more realistic !
Far more realistic, but I'm just clinging to any hope it's not him :)Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Even if it never happens, Potter is being talked about for jobs like the Manchester United one, which presumably come with a salary in the many millions. Him becoming Ireland manager would be a stunner.
I'm thinking O'Shea or Poyet now. O'Shea is probably super cheap and there appears to be a certain kind of groundswell forming for him, so all it would take for the tipping point to be reached might be a win on Saturday against Belgium's second team.
We've already been told it's not O'Shea, so it's not O'Shea unless Canham wants to be seen as a total joke figure.
There was no need for them to be as clear cut as they were about it a few weeks back. If there was any doubt at all they wouldn't have come out and said what they said about a manager being finalised. So I think we can safely rule out O'Shea. I wouldn't read anything into people saying nice things about him, what else would they say really, it doesn't mean anything.
This all has the feel of an Agatha Christie whodunnit, strangely.
Red herrings aplenty. Plenty of random speculation. The obvious suspect startlingly ruled out just as it looked like he was about to be unveiled. So we turn to another name - maybe we need to read between the lines on some of the clues a bit ("The contractual thing until April might not mean what we think it does.") It must be Poyet; the commitments until end of March is a clue! A name we thought had been ruled out comes back in.
If this doesn't end with a press conference where the FAI take us through the process in the style of a Hercule Poirot denouement (with John O'Shea looking shocked as he's accused of being the man, only for the FAI to switch tack at the last and announce someone we never suspected all along), I'll be sorely disappointed.
Sagnol's Georgia are through to the Euros playoff final, after beating Luxembourg this evening. They'll play Kazakhstan or Poyet's Greece, who's game against each other kicks off in a few minutes.
Might be time to start looking up the Kazakhstan manager's contract situation at this stage!
The guys that are coaching in the playoffs are the obvious ones to look at, but they also could win and go to the Euros, so how could we get a guarantee for an early April appointment for any of them. That's why I suggested it could be a different type of contractual obligation they are currently under
Hopefully it's an attractive job for a decent manager. There are a number of players that are improving before our eyes at club level or just on an upward trajectory:
Bazunu - turned club situation around, incredibly young
Kelleher - performing at the top level
Scales - regular at Celtic, level debatable but going better than could have been expected
Omobamidele - breaking through at Forest in PL
Collins - not as steep an improvement but keeping his place in PL is good enough for a defender of that age
O'Shea - regular in PL
Ebosele - plenty more game time in Serie A
O'Brien - regular in Ligue 1
Knight - back to Championship and going well
Johnston - lighting it up at top end of Championship at WBA following spell out of Celtic team and uneventful spell abroad
Ogbene - flying in his first PL season
Smallbone - regular for Southampton, motoring along nicely now
Azaz - upwards move to Boro from Plymouth, yet to kick on there but on the up
Arguable ones would be:
Idah - in a better place than where he was at beginning of season
Ferguson - not ideal last few months but no concern and some memorable moments this season early on, will come again
Connolly, Parrott and Armstrong - hard to know where they'll get to but 23/24 better than 22/23 regardless. Not at the level of being options yet
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Originally Posted by Eirambler
Greece 4-0 up at half-time. We're on course for a Sagnol vs Poyet showdown on Tuesday - loser gets to manage Ireland.
That's a serious scoreline from the Greeks. Kazakhstan have been much improved the last few years so, while Greece were probably favourites, a thumping like that would not have been expected at all.
Is there a reason Chris Hughton is no longer in the conversation?
Yes....cos everyone but JRG thinks he's shyte :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82