I was actually serious about Rooney. Has played at the highest level, has had an impossible task at Derby. but done well and has an Irish connection. Would be a left field choice, but who else is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
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I was actually serious about Rooney. Has played at the highest level, has had an impossible task at Derby. but done well and has an Irish connection. Would be a left field choice, but who else is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Funny enough, I actually see him as more of a Corbyn type. Buried in principles and has a hardcore legion of fans who think the sun shines from his hole despite him having shown no obvious ability to have any success in the position he holds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
His interviews put me to sleep. I wonder does he do the same for the players.
Steven Reid. Learned his trade at Palace and now successfully at Forest and was with Clarke to get Scotland to the Euros. Heard recently he was up at 6am driving from the Manchester to London daily when at Palace. He’s a born grafter, evidently dedicated to learn and would run through a brick wall for the team when he was playing, which has to install more fight and confidence than the current alternative. If Gerard, Rooney & Giggs get cited as relative successes after early opportunities, why not him?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Mick Megan was way better than Kenny and laid a huge amount of the groundwork that was taken to the next level by Giles… as for Kenny he’s had more that a decent time to make it work but it hasn’t and he’s also delivered some of the worst results in our whole history , and having come out and said we’d win the group now makes him look like a delusional fantasistQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
I wouldn't mind using these games to experiment. It woUld be fine to change 5 players and lose 1-0. But we didn't do that. We lost a team which looks to me like a first 11, despite me having no idea what his first 11 is.
I don't think he does either.
After two and half years, and 25 games, in charge, Kenny really should not be "experimenting". He should know his players, their strengths and weaknesses, and how to get the best out of them.
At the very least he should have a plan for attempting a comeback that's better than "push Shane Duffy up front"
You’d like to think that we could have a manager that would at least come in to the consideration of a mid table English championship club if they were looking for a manager. There is no way Stephen Kenny would be even coming under consideration for such a club. I am afraid it looks like the Kenny experiment is over.
If Michael O’Neill was interested he would be a good shout but would he be interested ?
Exactly that's why you win this match, with balls and strong personality, and Kenny can't transfer this attribute yet to the players. He transferred some passing from the back, some tidy movements from the back but that's just all his good improvement. No mixture of tempos no urgency, and a crystal jaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Lee Carsley would be my choice to replace him I think.
The English u21 manager, who if he does well may be in line to take over the senior job in due course?
Can't see us prising him away
Well he’s Irish so he might, he’s far more likely than an employed manager in the PL/CH.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
It’s the only name that would make any sense replacing Kenny if we are replacing him as the other managers will take us back to the Stone Age most likely.
He'd hardly move straight from one job to the other - a position as a club manager would come first, or even, as senior manager of a weaker team might be just what he is looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
But if he does a good job he'll have options, and Ireland are not an attractive option at the moment I guess.
Southgate moved from 21s to senior.
If I were him, I'm not sure I'd take the chance of stepping out of a succession path to a better job really. It'd be a tough sell for us I think.
Southgate was a household name in England before his appointment to the seniors. Im not sure the FA could sell lee carsley to their sponsors, fans and media.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I think he would take the Irish job if offered, but I would prefer Michael O Neil.
True, but his only club job saw him get Middlesbrough relegated. Not especially high-profile for the England role.
I think all of the below would be better than Stephen.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Rooney
Carsley
Michael O neill
Anthony Barry
why would any of them take this job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
For me this weekend could be the game that will define Kenny with Ireland, we already know now that Duffy went against the game plan meaning it’s time for Kenny to be ruthless, if he keeps Duffy after that and we end up losing at home to Scotland than that will surely be the end of the road for Kenny and tbh the way things are going he needs to win the match as Scotland themselves are going into this match with question marks too (for me Clarke for Scotland reminds me a lot of Martin O’Neills WCQ campaign in 2016-2018 as in he’s getting results but those results are papering over a lot of cracks in regards to the way Scotland play). I’ve been a Kenny fan all along but last night was worrying considering he made all the same mistakes in Yeravan.
Maybe it shouldn’t be a consideration, but it would be helpful to have a manager who was able to attract dual nationals - especially English born players who have drifted away from us in recent years. Having a profile and creating a sense that we’re an international option with a prospect of getting to tournaments. I know that this will offend some people who don’t want mercenaries playing for us etc, but if a player has options it’s a consideration. Not suggesting that it’s a major consideration, but it would be an advantage when international teams are now competing to attract talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Look at the caliber of player we have at the moment. That's the real problem. No one to put the ball in the net. Be realistic about what we have at the moment.
Southgate only got the job because of what happened to Big Sam, I don’t think England will go down the same route again as if they hire a new manager it will be someone who can win them a tournament rather than a succession manager, if anything it will be a manager in the premier league.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Its euro campaign so qualifying is very doable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
If it was wc campaign you would be right
Apart from o Neill they will all be doubling their salary I guess
If they get us to the euros and as stated its significantly easier . They would have massive exposure going forward
Barry is at a top 5 club team and another top national side , no reason to bin those off for irelandQuote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
M'ON is still trudging along at stoke.
Carsley as others mentioned has a very talented u21s group with ENG
Rooneys stock has risen massively, everton were keen on him. joining our sinking ship does nothing for his future.
You’d be better off mentally being a premiership manager / or at the other top leagues around Europe than being the England manager. Is it really that attractive of a job ? Relatively small chance of success and the “ World “ expected of ya ~ ~ Southgate was lucky when he came that things were at such a low ebb the usual English managers pressures were not so bad. I think those pressures are back to where they usually are now.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAD
I'm not being smart but do u have a list? Or a suggestionQuote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Somebody will take it! Maybe someone from left field.
Has Chris Hughton completely slipped out of the reckoning ?
No he should and will be in the reckoning. He has a technical role for Ghana in the Wc. He is available and while he didn't do well at forest he was superb at Newcastle and Brighton ( got them both into the Premier league)Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
True but really bad at Forest for some reason and when you consider what his replacement has done then ? ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
All the same Chris Hughton has great experience at a very good level.
Yeah, that's fair alright. Carsley should be considered for sure, but I just think especially with him being in the 21s role less than a year, it may be the wrong time to go courting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAD
The only positive I can see about taking the role is that we don't concede very many (14 in 17 competitive games under Kenny) and if you could somehow find a way to score goals at the other end, we could become half-decent and you could make a bit of a name for yourself there.
I don't know how realistic this is, but someone like Liam Manning would be my preferred option; an up-and-coming progressive coach who deals with the media side of things well. Carsley and Steven Reid are well worth considering too.
Jim Goodwyn should be in the conversation, but he's only recently taken over at Aberdeen.
I expect Stephen Bradley will be in the frame as well as Damien Duff.
True but either way coaching a senior international team is still better experience than an u21 role regardless of how good that role is.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And that point is true and there is good young players coming through so if you were an incoming manager there is atleast something to build on, which lets say wasn’t the case in 2018 when O’Neill was sacked.
I still don’t want to give up on Kenny but the last week has been very worrying and for me the Scotland game is make or break for him!
im a bit confused, why are young club managers leaving jobs to come to us? liam manning is in high demand in England, what in gods name is he joining this sinking ship for? our next manager will be someone who is older+out of the club game with a few years.
Well I think he's definitely there for the next two games anyway. A turnaround in those and all this could be forgotten, like the 3-0 in Azerbaijan made us forget the home draw against them only a few weeks earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAD
But while I know where you're coming from in terms of him trying to bring through changes that we need brought through, another two games of literally the same problems as the previous Nations League campaign makes it hard to make a case for keeping him for the Euro qualifying.
Are we in any danger of dropping to fourth seeds for the Euros btw?
I think if we end up as the worst group B team out of the four Nations League B groups we would be fourth seeds. Seemed impossible when we drew Armenia but not so much now.
I agree with that, if we beat Scotland and atleast give it a go versus Ukraine away and it will at least give Kenny some breathing space.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And yes that is correct, and not just the previous campaign but even the previous games, the last two games were carbon copies of each other in terms of management, if we make the same mistakes in the following 2 games and we lose he’ll struggle to stay on.
I think based on how the seeding went for the last Euros we only need to avoid being the worst team in NL B to stay in pot 3. Essential just finish above Armenia and we should be good for pot 3.
You've hit on something there for me , will it really turn things around? There's a pattern here that we are out of the reckoning as soon as we start in acompetition. That is not a good trait, it's no good having victories and moral victories when the competitive side is over in groups and nothing to play for. I am very worried that he won't be able to fix that for the Euros campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Regardless of what happens saturday or next week we are in a very worrying situation with a manger who has repeated his failings time and again and shown no inkling that he's aware of this nevermind how to overcome them
A week really is a long time in football. Last Friday in his press conference Kenny must have felt he was in a strong position, as he was happily hitting out at people who hard dared to criticise his winless first Nations League campaign (because a worldwide pandemic that affected everyone somehow apparently meant results and performances then didn't count).
We're just six days on and it looks to be all but over for him.
We also need to be wary of the goalposts getting moved for Kenny. I'm seeing this sentiment that if he gets four points from the next two games he'll be fine, but that would be four from 12 if it even happened. At what point before 2200 last night was that outcome deemed acceptable? If they lose to Scotland will it then be a win needed in Poland? If they draw that game will it be called an improvement?
We can't score even when the goalposts are in their normal position.