Forgot it about Roberto Carlos too - legs like tree trunks
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ECoR__tJNQ&feature=kp
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Forgot it about Roberto Carlos too - legs like tree trunks
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ECoR__tJNQ&feature=kp
Did he score a free kick other than that?
I remember him being generally awful from frees. (Actually, I seem to remember one against China in 2002 being the second free he scored for Brazil)
Bit like the national team really - hyped up on a meagre handful of excellence.
If Brazil do make it to the final and end up playing Argentina (not that I'm sure either will make it) it will be interesting to see what the ref does if they kick lumps out of messi like they did with James Rodriguez tonight.
Only saw the second half, so maybe I missed some of the refereeing decisions people are complaining about - I didn't think he was that bad.
Colombia never seemed to have the fluidity of the previous games. They lost the ball much too easily in the final third.
Brazil are just not what we imagine Brazil to be. A scrappy team that has little attacking flair or even attitute. I hope they don't win it.
Ye, fair comments. I still live in hope Brazil will play with the flair and skill they are capable of, but every time I watch them I am left disappointed.
When was the last time Brazil made any of us go "WOW"?Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Tonight, when at 69 minutes George Hamilton declared there had been a free on average every 90 seconds in the game to that point.
Last time I saw a team in yellow kick so much crap out of the opposition was Roscommon v Kerry in the 1980 All-Ireland. And Neymar is no Dermot Earley, lemme tell ya!!
Probably when that flyover collapsed or when they spent €300m on a stadium that is to be used only during this tournament and probably never again.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
How do you define 'wow'? I loved Luiz's goal, it was one of the better goals of the tournament. Brazil's physicality and attacking prowess was apparent early in this game, but they now have an England mindset, don't lose at any cost and that affects their general performance.
Ah now lad. You know what I mean by wow.
Brazil's cynicism could have been stamped out very early by a real referee. And we would not be talking about them.
As I said, 'wow' for me was Luiz's goal and who are you referring to in the last sentence of your post?Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
With Thiago out of the semi final and Neymar hospitalised, Germany must feel confident.
Neymar out for the tournament with a fractured vertebrae.
For once a player stretchered off was really hurt.
The ref, cards aside, got just about every decision correct. There seems to be the misapprehension that if he gave cards early that would have been the end of it. Tell that to the Spanish in the last WC Final when the Dutch kicked lumps out of them for the whole game and there were 9 cards I think. Throughout the tournament there has been an obvious policy of avoid cards. Tell that to the RTE Panel please.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Im not so sure though. In the final Webb booked the players fairly regularly from the start (15, 22, 28, 54, 57, 84, 109*, 111, 117) the Dutch's tactics meant they were always at a risk of getting a player sent off (*happened with the 2nd yellow for Heitinga) and it probably had an impact on Van Marwijk's subs (he took of Van Bronkhorst and De Jong both of whom were booked). In the end the Dutch knew they were walking a tightrope and in the end they went down to 10 men and ended up conceeding after that. Brazil had a carte blanche tonight with none of their players being booked for persistent fouling, only Thiago Silva got a yellow for blocking the keeper and then Julio Cesar for a cast iron yellow (possibly a red) on the penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Thiago Silva's yellow is one of the stupidest thing I have ever seen a player get a card for. Absolutely bonkers. I'd have stripped him of the captaincy in the dressing room after.
Officials were very poor, there was an offside call after the second goal where Columbia were in a very promising position going down the left that was a massive error IMO, never mind the lack of cards for some of Brazil's cynically disruptive "tactics". But, all that being said, I was very underwhelmed by Columbia, especially between Cuadrado's shot just after the first goal and the second. They just couldn't get into the game at all.
With Silva and Neymar (broken vertebrae says numerous news sources) out for Germany game (and beyond) I think Brazil's chances are looking very shaky.
As Tim Vickery, or similar said, they 'got stage fright' and were overawed by Brazil. One of their players, portentously perhaps, wanted to exchange shirts with Neyamr at half-time FFS...
The referee, aside from all the stuff he did wrong got everything right...Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Ah... Come off it.
Also setting up the 2010 clusterfupp as justification is unbelievable. Spain won that WC. The seeming injustices on the pitch were overruled by the result on the pitch.
How about you tell that to the Colombians who were clearly put off whatever rhythm was possible by absolute scandalous refereeing.
I seen it at half time mentioned on twitter, with a photo, that a few of the Colombian team exchanged shirts at half time!!! FFSQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I always hated Brazil, but this is the first tournament I actually like them. They have a rubbish team but with sheer will and determination they have got to a semi finals of a world cup. Good on them. D Luiz and Marcello epitomise their desire, bombing forward with every opportunity. Still though if a player as bad as Fred wins a world cup medal, then the last three weeks of football was a waste of time!
You're a hard man to debate things with when you get the bit between your teeth Bonnie! God bless your passion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
More anger and frustration that passion this time. Owlsfan's straw-man is unacceptable based on what we all saw tonight. 2010's final has nothing to do with tonight. To equate them is farcical.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Djimi Traore has a EC medal. Never forget just how unjust football can be sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
He got the penalty correct. The free kick for the goal. The linesmen got the offsides correct. The point I was making is that you seem to think that if he started booking people, that would be the end of the fouls. It wouldn't have been as witness by the 2010 Final. Incidentally I have a Dutch friend who thought Howard was a disgrace giving those yellows to the Dutch players. It is clear right from the start of the tournament that the refs were under instructions to reduce the yellows for whatever reason. They are paying the price now. I have never heard a referee's performance described as scandalous before he didn't hand out yellow cards early on. I don't think it changed the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I agree with Bonnie on this. If nothing else, a couple of early yellows - and God knows they were justified; we're talking some blatantly cynical stuff - would have made the Brazilians think twice about continuing. Yes, the Dutch kept at it by swapping foulers, but they paid the price by going down to ten men and losing. Thiago Silva would have been off the pitch for starters.
If that refereeing performance was acceptable, then Brazil's tactics in the game will take over football. That can't be right.
When you think, in the 1970's Brazil had players called Marco Antonio, Socrates, Tostao, Rivelino, Everaldo. PELE, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by centre mid
Now they have players called Fred, Bill, Hulk, Bernie and Joe.
It would seem karma may have driven over the prevailing (Brazilian beautiful game bs) dogmaQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
A lot of the Dutch bookings came, obviously, in the last game of the 2010 tournament so several players wouldn't have been too pushed about getting a yellow. However, a booking, or several bookings, at the QF stage could have had a really serious knock-on effect for Brazil - players could have missed the semi or the final itself. Clearly, it has cost them Silva. But an early (deserved) card or two may indeed have had a heavier warning value to Brazil last night than to the Dutch when it was simply a matter of **** or bust.
Interesting to compare Holland's successful, aggressive, in your face, bite your legs, style of play against Brazil in 2010, with Brazil's style yesterday. I always thought for that game, the Dutch got it spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I think Brazil won't have an earthly, playing like that against Germany.
Tim Vickery was saying Brazil/Scolari reverted to this 'style, simply because their more expansive game revolving around 'flow', has failed so often in the past.
The pressure on them now to 'perform' is so enormous, they changed their game to one centred around 'moments', based around set-pieces and counter attacks.
Which is how virtually all their goals have been scored...
I want Tim Vickety's job.
I wasn't feeling well yesterday and nodded off during most of last noght's game. I just watched the highlights again and felt that Brazil had done better than I remembered, especially in the first half.
As for their physicality, when I was a kid there was a much hyped visit of Brazil to Wembley live on TV. It must have been around 1978 or 1979. All I knew of Brazil was their reputation for artistic football but at Wembley they did nothing but kick England off the park, or when they weren't in kicking mood, body checking. It was one of the most thuggish performances I've ever seen.
It's okay to kick the English but the Germans won't take life easy if they're to be kicked around.
A Holland Germany final would be interesting.
And what about the frees not given? The justification for his correct decisions to outweigh his incorrect ones is just not right.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
2010 is not relevant to last night.
From day one, Brazil have had it easier with refereeing decisions. Some decisions in the Mexico game were off too and the less said of the game v Croatia the better. But that was always gonna be the case. Germany should do 'em...
And I agree with you 100% here.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
With luck. Unless they find the Brazilian Matt Holland to get them over the loss of their star player.Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
On the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Donie Forde
Sabella isn't far behind Maradona when it comes to rotation in this WC.
Higuain finally waking up. He's been pretty quiet up until this game.
Poor game. Poor Belgium side, I suppose a lot of them are a bit young so they might have a better go of it in Russia. Only against the States did they seem like the team a lot of people made them out to be, and even then they couldn't get the ball in the net.
Certain inevitability about the 8 last 16 games and 3 quarter finals games so far. Top teams all won. Would be amazed if Costa Rica buck the trend.
Quarters have been a bit of a let down so far tbh. Early goal in each of them seemed to set them up nicely, but after that, it was one team happy with the 1-0 and not committing much forward, and the other team not really able to make any head-roads. Granted, Messi and Higuain both had bad misses today, so maybe that's a bit harsh on Argentina. But I don't know is this plan of sitting back on 1-0 lead one of football's circular fashions, something that's here to stay or something I've kind of missed the extent of prior to this World Cup.
Over to plucky Costa Rica to rescue things and give us an exciting game. Don't let me down!
I always thought that there was not a lot going on about Wilmots tactics. And yet again it showed. It feels like he is getting by with the players he has. He's seems to not be adding anything as a good manager should.
He gets a lot of praise for making good eubs in the last few games but I wasn't convinced.
Belgium totally deserved their place in the WC quarters, could have and should have scored a dozen against the USA, they have been convincing beyond most people's doubt, today a very good Argentina made them look sluggish and primitive. This defeat for Belgium doesn't render useless all what has gone on before for them (regardless of the sneers from the pundits), nor does it bring into play the paul effect, ie, finally the something bad that was always threatening to happen, has finally happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels