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16/12/2007, 1:23 PM
amaccann

Ted, I'm hugely confused.
16/12/2007, 1:33 PM
lopez

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Originally Posted by amaccann

Ted, I'm hugely confused.

I can see why.

However, if nothing has changed then the FAI can carry on picking players from the North - providing they have Irish citizenship. Nothing happened to the FAI over Gibson, e.g. no points deducted for the Slovakia game.

In fact FIFA offered the IFA a carrot to leave the matter alone, and they turned it down. No doubt they'll be back whinging when the next player from Derry, Belfast etc. is picked for us, but for now let the w*nkers think they've won.
16/12/2007, 7:03 PM
eirebhoy

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The Irish FA will have to go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport if it wants to continue its row with the FAI over player eligibility.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ls/7147228.stm
17/12/2007, 8:36 AM
RogerMilla

right now thats cleared up and the IFA have won the eligibility battle , who do we pick next from up there ? anyone good on the horizon ?
17/12/2007, 9:49 AM
kingdomkerry

So its official. The IFA claiming to have won! Pathetic!!

"Unionist politicians claimed that Fifa rules allowing Northern Ireland-born players to play for the Republic could "sectarianise" the Northern Ireland team".:D:D:D
17/12/2007, 10:17 AM
Stuttgart88

So, as I understand it: ROI has been allowed by FIFA to field-Northern born players that do not meet the usual criteria (birth, parents' / grandparents' birth, residence). That was the case before all the fuss was made over Gibson. Recently they suggested a cociliatory or compromise "it can go both ways": NI can select ROI-born players in the same way.

Now FIFA says that no change is warranted, meaning ROI can pick NI born players but NI can not pick ROI born players. So NI wins, how?

I think we should now step it up a level: select players already capped at senior level for NI but before it was clarified that such players could have played for ROI!
17/12/2007, 10:36 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I think we should now step it up a level: select players already capped at senior level for NI but before it was clarified that such players could have played for ROI!

:D

You maybe need to re-read the rules.
17/12/2007, 10:53 AM
Newryrep

It is my rudimentry understanding in that

1. Gibson is eligible as indeed any northern born player is as he falls under the dual nationality remit and thus can chose who he plays for and can switch once before the age of 21.

2. The 4 No criteria brought in wrt Qatar are for players changing nationalities - since anybody born in the North has an automatic right to Irish citizenship and has always been there is no question of them changing nationalities.

3. The GFA has sweet FA to do with it. Automatic Irish citzenship before GFA, automatic citzenship after GFA - no change, it is a red herring

4. FAI argued that the current rules should apply (dual nationality), IFA argued that the Qatar criteria be applied as it is changing nationalities

5. The IFA have argued that you can be Irish and British or both and play for NI - where does the changing nationalities come into it that they are arguing - How is Darren Gibson changing nationalities
17/12/2007, 10:57 AM
Blanchflower

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

1. Gibson is eligible as indeed any northern born player is as he falls under the dual nationality remit and thus can chose who he plays for and can switch once before the age of 21.

Correct.

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

2. The 4 No criteria brought in wrt Qatar are for players changing nationalities - since anybody born in the North has an automatic right to Irish citizenship and has always been there is no question of them changing nationalities.

The 4 criteria also apply in respect of players whose nationality entitles them to play for >1 team. This is the bit that confused the IFA, who thought this applied to dual nationality - but it doesn't: it applies to a players whose single nationality qualifies them for more than one team.

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

3. The GFA has sweet FA to do with it. Automatic Irish citzenship before GFA, automatic citzenship after GFA - no change, it is a red herring

100% correct. Emotive red herring introduced by nationalists.

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

4. FAI argued that the current rules should apply (dual nationality), IFA argued that the Qatar criteria be applied as it is changing nationalities

Second part wrong - see my response to 2 above.

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

5. The IFA have argued that you can be Irish and British or both and play for NI - where does the changing nationalities come into it that they are arguing - How is Darren Gibson changing nationalities

They're not arguing about changing nationalities. See my response to 2 above.
17/12/2007, 11:06 AM
kingdomkerry

So bottom line. Ireland have a 32 county pick. Those who want to play for Ireland are welcome. Those that want to play with the north can bugger off!
17/12/2007, 11:06 AM
Blanchflower

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Now FIFA says that no change is warranted, meaning ROI can pick NI born players but NI can not pick ROI born players. So NI wins, how?

It doesn't.
17/12/2007, 11:07 AM
Blanchflower

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

So bottom line. Ireland have a 32 county pick.

No. Republic of Ireland has a 32 county pick.
17/12/2007, 11:11 AM
kingdomkerry

Nobody says "Republic of" and nobody should as the team represents 32 counties as clairified by FIFA ;)
17/12/2007, 11:12 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

So bottom line. Ireland have a 32 county pick. Those who want to play for Ireland are welcome. Those that want to play with the north can bugger off!

That's basically the height of it.

The Republic Of Ireland have a 32 County pick, within the relevant rules laid down by FIFA ie. Article 15.

From a Northern Ireland perspective, I will be happy to see players who are not totally committed to playing for Northern Ireland "bugger off".

I don't expect to see too many players defect to the Republic Of Ireland teams.

Since this dispute arose, we've actually gained two back.
17/12/2007, 11:12 AM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by Blanchflower

No. Republic of Ireland has a 32 county pick.

:D:D:D

Here we go again ....
17/12/2007, 11:13 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

Nobody says "Republic of" and nobody should as the team represents 32 counties as clairified by FIFA ;)

Ask them what your team is called.;)
17/12/2007, 11:16 AM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I don't expect to see too many players defect to the Republic Of Ireland teams.

Since this dispute arose, we've actually gained two back.

Neither do I. Northern Ireland produces 1 or 2 players every generation that might get their game with Ireland. Those two boys that went back to Northern Ireland realised this - they knew there're not good enough to get a game with the Irish A team.
17/12/2007, 11:20 AM
Blanchflower

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

Nobody says "Republic of"

That's simply untrue.

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

and nobody should as the team represents 32 counties as clairified by FIFA

It doesn't.
17/12/2007, 11:21 AM
Blanchflower

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Neither do I. Northern Ireland produces 1 or 2 players every generation that might get their game with Ireland.

Ireland? Do you mean Republic of Ireland?
17/12/2007, 11:22 AM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by Blanchflower

Ireland? Do you mean Republic of Ireland?

How did you find you way to this forum?

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