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20/12/2005, 3:43 PM
The Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by short_frank

If we got rid of this elitist attitude maybe then Mayo soccer would have a chance of fielding an U21 team in the future.

This elitist attitude is also shown within the super league as only certain clubs are considered to have Mayo potential players.
20/12/2005, 6:05 PM
renovater

straight talk

Quote:

Originally Posted by short_frank

With regard to the U21 debacle the problem also stemmed from the picking of players from the fashionable clubs to represent Mayo. The lower leagues have some damn fine young players but they are not looked at even when Mayo were crying out for players (eg. playing a goal keeper up front).
I am involved with a lower league team and have come across some exceptionally talented players who chose to play with their home team but because of this never get a chance of even a call up. When was Leo or any of his coaching staff at a lower league game?
This has been the way throughout Mayo soccer. I was involved with an unfashionable club a few years ago which won the league and cup double U16 for two years running but we were told (by a member of the Mayo U16 coaching panel) that none of the players were good enough to represent Mayo even though one is now playing Eircom league and two represented Ireland underage (one the same year he was told he wasn't good enough for Mayo).
If we got rid of this elitist attitude maybe then Mayo soccer would have a chance of fielding an U21 team in the future.

Couldn't agree more I did state on the previous page MAYO didn't choose players from a broader base, which inturn lead to shortage of players.
Which also leads to a lack of intrest it time those at the top table to wake up
20/12/2005, 6:54 PM
galactico

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don

This elitist attitude is also shown within the super league as only certain clubs are considered to have Mayo potential players.

would you consider ballina,snugboro as elititst they both have players on OT panel..i agree the manager and his staff should look at all players in the mayo league set up as potential OT players regardless of what team they play for;;;goes back to the old saying if your good enough you should be playing,
21/12/2005, 8:07 AM
Superman

More Appeals

Heard on the grape vine that Sheriff Y.C. and Glenview Stars are lodging appeals against Castlebar Celtic for Ciaran Kelly playing against them in previous FAI and Connacht Cup games!! Any truth in this??:rolleyes:
21/12/2005, 8:29 AM
The Don

Didnt hear anything about it. Hardly worth their while when FAI have said he is now officially a celtic player.
21/12/2005, 8:36 AM
swinfordfc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman

Heard on the grape vine that Sheriff Y.C. and Glenview Stars are lodging appeals against Castlebar Celtic for Ciaran Kelly playing against them in previous FAI and Connacht Cup games!! Any truth in this??:rolleyes:

i doubt this very much will happen now and as the don says, the FAI have agreed that he is offically a celtic player now. in fairest, glenview cant have any complaints, beaten 8-0!!!!!!!!
21/12/2005, 10:00 AM
mossy

Mayo News Article

Read the rantings of el duce in the paper today and must admit to complete wonderment at his recollections of the meetings events. An apology received from CELTIC for the Secretarys comments, I don't think that happened, and if apologies were needed it is from that buffoon that they should come from.
The under 21 mess is very sad and it evokes that old saying 'Throwing the baby out with the bath water' but one thing is for sure bullying does not work and while that person is there then bullying it will be. Maybe the Sec might think of a solution or the resident in Milebush or even old joe, now there was a gentleman and never a bully !!!!
21/12/2005, 10:58 AM
gnasher

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossy

Read the rantings of el duce in the paper today and must admit to complete wonderment at his recollections of the meetings events. An apology received from CELTIC for the Secretarys comments, I don't think that happened, and if apologies were needed it is from that buffoon that they should come from.
The under 21 mess is very sad and it evokes that old saying 'Throwing the baby out with the bath water' but one thing is for sure bullying does not work and while that person is there then bullying it will be. Maybe the Sec might think of a solution or the resident in Milebush or even old joe, now there was a gentleman and never a bully !!!!

Read it also. Was going to keep schtum on this whole debacle but the negative variance in views and versions between people who were at the meeting and those who looked at it from behind the top table is too much to be just swept under the carpet. It's a shame about the U-21 palaver but at the same time, the clubs have shown one thing (which we all spent far too long going on about), that if they stand to gether they can change or revrese any rule and anything about the way the league is run or the way the LMC operates.

Fair play to ye boyz. I know the U-21 team will be back in some guise, when everyone is able to agree a format. It's a great idea after all.
21/12/2005, 11:00 AM
gnasher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman

Heard on the grape vine that Sheriff Y.C. and Glenview Stars are lodging appeals against Castlebar Celtic for Ciaran Kelly playing against them in previous FAI and Connacht Cup games!! Any truth in this??:rolleyes:

I know I'm not one to talk being a Westport man (after our history in this sort of debacle - there are subtle differences in the situations let me add), but they have not a hope in hell. Celtic are out for top honours and they're not going to get caught with their proverbial pants areound their ankles. No way.

Good (if a bit cliched at this stage) rumour, though.
21/12/2005, 1:09 PM
OscarBravo

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossy

Read the rantings of el duce in the paper today and must admit to complete wonderment at his recollections of the meetings events. An apology received from CELTIC for the Secretarys comments, I don't think that happened, and if apologies were needed it is from that buffoon that they should come from.
The under 21 mess is very sad and it evokes that old saying 'Throwing the baby out with the bath water' but one thing is for sure bullying does not work and while that person is there then bullying it will be. Maybe the Sec might think of a solution or the resident in Milebush or even old joe, now there was a gentleman and never a bully !!!!

The apology from Celtic seems strange. The man that left their meeting was their secretary and I find it hard to know who in the club would undermine him.
The U-21 situation is unfortunate, you are right mossy, bottom line as you have always said, the league is at the root of the problem.
I see the Connacht Telegraph named the clubs who voted and which way they voted. Is this allowed?
The question is this: will anything change in the bigger picture? Me thinks not.
Where's manfred gone by the way
21/12/2005, 1:17 PM
swinfordfc

Quote:

Originally Posted by OscarBravo

The apology from Celtic seems strange. The man that left their meeting was their secretary and I find it hard to know who in the club would undermine him.
The U-21 situation is unfortunate, you are right mossy, bottom line as you have always said, the league is at the root of the problem.
I see the Connacht Telegraph named the clubs who voted and which way they voted. Is this allowed?
The question is this: will anything change in the bigger picture? Me thinks not.
Where's manfred gone by the way

yes the connacht has that information - dont know is it allowed? its a shame that the u21 is gone but it could not work the way it was. has to be some other way.
21/12/2005, 1:37 PM
The Don

Probably did it to make sure smaller clubs tow the line in any future votes.
I know the league made phone calls to certain clubs the following day.
As for Noel Coll aparently he was not interupting any speakers in the meeting, but according to our secretary he was shaking his head as Quigley spoke, Quigley did not like this and verbually abused him. So in the space of a week this incident has been rewritten by the Chairman, what an ass he truly is. As for Manfred my old buddy! God knows where hes got to, oh well tis the season to be merry!
21/12/2005, 2:05 PM
headerball

Quote:

Originally Posted by gnasher

I know I'm not one to talk being a Westport man (after our history in this sort of debacle - there are subtle differences in the situations let me add), but they have not a hope in hell. Celtic are out for top honours and they're not going to get caught with their proverbial pants areound their ankles. No way.

Good (if a bit cliched at this stage) rumour, though.

no subtle differences at all ! if the player is illegal then i'm sure all clubs that have played castlebar will be fully entitled to feel cheated !
21/12/2005, 5:09 PM
Manfred

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don

Probably did it to make sure smaller clubs tow the line in any future votes.
I know the league made phone calls to certain clubs the following day.
As for Noel Coll aparently he was not interupting any speakers in the meeting, but according to our secretary he was shaking his head as Quigley spoke, Quigley did not like this and verbually abused him. So in the space of a week this incident has been rewritten by the Chairman, what an ass he truly is. As for Manfred my old buddy! God knows where hes got to, oh well tis the season to be merry!

As if I'd go too far!
Just popped in to wish ye all a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
I will be out of circulation for a short while, so behave yourselves and bring in 2006 in style.
I would love to involve myself in the U21/ Ciaren Kelly/ Fai Junior cup/ Con Cup debates, but as you so seasonaly put it, tis the season to be merry!
(I can almost smell the sun shine!)
p.s.
any one see the penalty shoot out in Manulla?
How many did the home team score?
Who's the 'resident' in Milebush? (Quote, Mossy)
Name the players from the lower divisions that mabe should be in the OT squad. Good debate for the new year.
21/12/2005, 5:26 PM
Le Grande Eric

kellygate

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don

Didnt hear anything about it. Hardly worth their while when FAI have said he is now officially a celtic player.

On a small point of clarification,what the FAI appeals board said was they NOTED that Mayo League now considered him a bone fide registered player
...They did'nt make a ruling on it because it was not within their remit based of the appeal by Celtic
This one will run for a while longer
21/12/2005, 5:35 PM
Le Grande Eric

conflict of interest?

Quote:

Originally Posted by swinfordfc

yes the connacht has that information - dont know is it allowed? its a shame that the u21 is gone but it could not work the way it was. has to be some other way.

The fact that a member of the Management committee publishes via his employer (''the Connaught'') matters discussed at a private delegates meeting poses a huge question regarding partiality and gives rise to a very obvious case of conflict of interest
21/12/2005, 7:34 PM
unbiased

unbiased - paranoid

hi all

was told about article re u21 in connacht telegraph, had to get it to believe it and to my suprise, call me paranoid or misformed about previous meeting, but the majority of clubs that voiced a concern /doubt regarding the u21 situation at the last meeting, had left or were not even there at the december meeting. can anyone rightly in the know in some of them unattended clubs throw more light as to why exactly they were not there. soething seems a miss.

catching up on reading the forum.glad to see that smaller non super league sides are mentioned regarding being brought into the equation for county team selection.short term absence of the u21's may make the heart grow stronger in realising that smaller clubs may also have a lot to offer a mayo side but then notice on telegraph a remark about extending the superleague to ensure a dedicated squad of u21 - there they go again.
21/12/2005, 8:56 PM
renovater

straight talk

Quote:

Originally Posted by swinfordfc

i doubt this very much will happen now and as the don says, the FAI have agreed that he is offically a celtic player now. in fairest, glenview cant have any complaints, beaten 8-0!!!!!!!!

No the Fai never said he is offically a celtic player What the Fai did say Paul Brady "The FAI appeal dealt only with kelly vs snugboro, did not rule on eilgabity re other competitions" so now you can draw your own Conclusion
21/12/2005, 9:08 PM
renovater

straight talk

Quote:

Originally Posted by OscarBravo

The apology from Celtic seems strange. The man that left their meeting was their secretary and I find it hard to know who in the club would undermine him.
The U-21 situation is unfortunate, you are right mossy, bottom line as you have always said, the league is at the root of the problem.
I see the Connacht Telegraph named the clubs who voted and which way they voted. Is this allowed?
The question is this: will anything change in the bigger picture? Me thinks not.
Where's manfred gone by the way

Manfred he's in hiding I think El Duce got to him
By the way unless they drop designated squads and extend season were going no where Kelly got the chance to highlight it but he keep's wereing his Mayo cap
you could send EL dUCE ON ALONG HOLIDAY one way ticket?
21/12/2005, 9:31 PM
renovater

straight talk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Grande Eric

The fact that a member of the Management committee publishes via his employer (''the Connaught'') matters discussed at a private delegates meeting poses a huge question regarding partiality and gives rise to a very obvious case of conflict of interest

YOU MUST NO BY NOW THE LEAGUE MAKES UP IT'S OWN RULES AS IT GOES ALONG.
ONE COULD SAY THAT OF THE CLUBS WHO DID NOT TURN UP FOR MEETING DIDN'T CARE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER

BECAUSE THE 12 CLUBS DIDN'T VOTE INFAVOUR DOESN'T SAY THEY NOT INFAVOUR ONLY SURGEST THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CHAIRMAN'S VIEWS "DESIGNATED"REMOVE THAT WORD

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