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I just hope that the 3 wise men and the FAI don't f##k it up for us again. We need a decent manager but talk of bringing back paranoid who said that Mick McCarthy is a joke. Charlton didn't have much support and would have been considered a dodgy candidate today by all off us but he worked wonders. I'm oppossed to Venables,Hoddle,McCarthy but someone from the rest will do. Just get someone in to stop all the chat
the candidates that have applied (that houghton said were the usual suspects) are kendell etc that sent in their cvs and the trio binned them.
the candidates interviewed are not these same eejits that applied and hopefully not the usual suspects.
hodgson for example wasnt a usual suspect.
he was someone the trio reckoned could do the job and they will no doubt have a few other good candidates interviewed like jol and coppell
are they realistic contenders? Big Sam will have to be sacked by Sunday to have a slim chance of getting a late call by Houghton and co. Coppell is content at Reading and even though McCarthy is hanging on at Wolves he would need to be sacked pretty quickly to enter the race. Sanchez is a possibility but will he get an interview?Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
the candidates that have applied (that houghton said were the usual suspects) are kendell etc that sent in their cvs and the trio binned them.
the candidates interviewed are not these same eejits that applied and hopefully not the usual suspects.
hodgson for example wasnt a usual suspect.
I've nothing against Mick but he has had his time. I hope its not Kendalls etc who are being looked at. Houghton is a shrewd bloke and hopefully he can interview a decent candiate. We need something different and as you said Hodgson wasn't the usual type. I would like somebody who has a lot of International experience but knowing us we'll end up with Hoddle or someone who couldn't be employed in the Eircom first Division
Just to take a different tack - according to football365, the shortlist for the Scotland job includes Tommy Burns, Mark McGhee, Craig Levein, Billy Davies and John Collins. Seeing as how we're a similar team to Scotland, and take the majority of our players from the same level, who of those would you have ahead of El Tel? Or Brady? Or O'Leary?
Hodgson did not apply. He was contacted by the 3 amigo's on the same day Fulham contacted him. I am hoping that particulary Houghton is going out and is actively seeking good candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
thats what am sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
no one who applied is getting interviewed i doubt
If Brady is willing to give up his good job at Arsenal and bring Wenger :D as his no 2 he should be given the job, the reality is that as in 2002 and 2006 there is no genuine contender even interested in the job.
Examiner says 3 amigos still to interview 6 candidates.
Interviews are pointless.
Either the FAI know who enough about world football to employ the right man to lead our team (and how to get him) , or they dont.
An "interview process" consisting of Houghton, Howe and Givens genially chatting with men who will inevetably be employed elsewhere by the time this "Wonka golden ticket" style farce is finished suggests they don't.
what???Quote:
Originally Posted by Bondvillain
the fai have shown with the last appointment they dont know enough about football to pick a manager. and they have admitted this. and they have handed the process over to people within the game.
i cant see how anyone can have a problem with this??
the process shouldn't be judged on the length of time it is taking, but on who we see appointed at the end of the day.
That's a good point, but the longer it goes on, more and more of the best candidates are being appointed to jobs, so who are we going to be left with?Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
I tend to disagree with this popular sentiment of a limited supply of managers.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
The managerial positions play out like musical chairs, and the reality is that there are more qualified managers than there are positions.
There are good managers out there, and after reading that the 3 amigos made contact with Hodgson, I think we should have more faith in these 3 than we've had so far.
Can't see Houghton going along with a Delaney conspiracy to hire Venables, and I can't see Delaney wanting Venables considering all of the conspiracy talk.
This process does have its faults, but at least we do have footballing people doing this, and at least they are taking their time to consider the candidates.
Last time we rightfully slaughtered Delaney for appointing Stan without a critical approach, and the fact that he's not a football person also troubled many of us.
Personally, I'm going to give the 3 amigos the benefit of the doubt and hold my praise or criticism for when their job is done. If they have the smarts to go after the likes of Hodgson, we may end up with someone decent enough in the end.
Didier Deschamps anyone, heard his name mentioned last night as someone who was in the mix, not been talked about a lot, may not be a bad option given some of the other name sbene bandied around
I'd love that decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulB
There's no basis for that thinking - there's plenty of good manager out there, it's just that we've shown limited imagination (by "we" I mean collectively, both fans and the press) by dredging up the same list of English-based out of work candidates. Just because Hodgson took on Fulham doesn't mean the well is drying up.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
who coined "bandied about/around", he could now be a millionaire if he had patented it because of the footballing community and its merry band of intellects.
Some bloke called Shakespeare I think. Quite a few phrases have been atributed to him down the years.
The only positive thing about the length of time this process is taking is that some decent manager somewhere may become available before it comes to a close.
stuts the sarcasm isn't lost on me, maybe his ancestors would be then, but I have a feeling its a little more recent than that.
it would be great if deschamps got it, but thats probably because of all the other names flying about....
osa* thats what i was thinking too....they'll exhaust all others then suddenly a magical new manager will come along.
The first time I came across the expression "to bandy" was in King Lear at school.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_b...ages/1000.html
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"Bandy" originated from an Old French word "Bander", which was used in an early form of tennis and meant to "hit a ball to and fro". Later, in the early 17th century, "Bandy" became the name of an Irish team game from which hockey evolved. The ball was "bandied" back and forth between players. The crooked shape of the stick with which the game was played has produced the modern expression "bandy-legged".
oh really? thats interesting, king lear was 12 years gone by the time I was in school ;) , maybe then "bandied about" is a bacstardisation of this term you came across.
Bandy, the game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandy
It's basically Shinty on ice.
Least the process has been educational!
Just read in the mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...9520-20278420/
that McCarthy wants the job.
Wouldn't be a bad appointment.
Stopped reading after the words "Mick McCarthy has told close Friends".Quote:
Originally Posted by colster
Fairytales, musings and outright lies thereafter for absolute certain.
what a backwards move that would be....would sooner have Venebles than McCarthy...Quote:
Originally Posted by colster
I definitely disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
He'd also be committed.
No problems with Mick at all.
I don't think he managed the Saipain situation well, but I think Keane was just as bad for walking out.
the FAI will go with a safe option. he may be disliked within the FAI (although i've never seen proof) but i strongly believe o'leary will get it. he has a semi decent enough management record and is Irish. the fact that the process has gone on so long has kinda backed the FAI into a corner where they cant make a risky appointment and too many of the other contenders have risks attached to them in the public / media view
I just realised that if it's the 22nd an announcement of the new manager is made, I'll be in New Zealand at the time. Ha. Wondering whether to look it up while I'm there or wait til I return in February and have the "surprise"
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Originally Posted by ifk101
I've seen that on betfair, never knew what it was. You know your gambling habit is getting out of hand if you find yourself staring at the screen contemplating a wager on the Swedish Bandy league ;):D
Back on-topic though - I would love to think that the likes of Deschamps and Koeman (in a very deep hole right now at Valencia) are on the wishlist of the FAI. I mean, there's no reason why they wouldn't be great candidates. Sorry, there is one reason - never played in England :(
Tillberga to beat Hammarby (tomorrow) . Odds 6/1 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
On merit I'd be happy enough with McCarthy. However, regardless of anyone's view of Saipan, appointing him would be controversial and divisive and would be a bad move.
no i was thinking about McCarthy objectively and I have to so no way...I remember how his persistance with harte, and duff and keane used to infuriate me..he hasnt got what it takes to be a top coach..end of..
Givens said the 3 amigos have 12 candidates on a short list! ?That would suggest not much of a difference in quality from 1 to 12.
I'd hate to know what he thinks a long list looks like.
At the time Duff was playing his best football with Blackburn, Harte was playing in the Champions League with Leeds, and Keane was a promising young striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
McCarthy isn't perfect, but your critique is full of holes.
what??Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
harte - our highest scorer in wc 2002 campaign. no natural left back in the squad without him since he has since been omitted. no world beater but after irwins retirement who exactly did we have for left back??
i presume you refer to the duff and keane partnership up front which was regularly spotted in our only successful campaign in 14 yrs??
maybe credit the guy with making the most of the limited resources we had at the time and showing a little imagination in doing so
A few weeks back McCarthy for some reason praised the FAI in a Wolves weekly news conference. I knew then he wanted the job. McCarthy is looking at the candidates thinking I'm better than most of those. And he is right to think that. I don't think he will get the job but he is one of only two people to have qualified us for a World Cup Finals.