Pats guy was OK, but again, limited in what he could do with no real budget.
He went with the FAI funding
Pats guy was OK, but again, limited in what he could do with no real budget.
He went with the FAI funding
We do, or at least did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Yeah I was wrong there, I'd forgotten. Like a lot of clubs it's one of a few hats the person in question would be wearing.
youre all obsessed lads... ;)
Soooooo. Is Fenlon favourite for the Hibs job cos he's actually in there, or cause a bit of money went on him in a quiet market? Any Bohs fans know? Would surely be a good thing for Bohs to get another off the wage bill.
Mick Cooke to hoops and the rod to bohs , only guessing mind
Roy Keane to Shams...
surely they'll let him go this time and not look for silly money, would be very interesting to see how he gets on if given the chance. he would need time to settle, dont think the hibs fans will give this to him. best of luck if he goesQuote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
Saorview means free to air, so there's no illegality. Viability would be all down to advertising, especially adverts during senior international games. The FAI essentially gets €1m per year from RTÉ, the FAI would easily make that back and more in advertising for senior games alone. Remember that's a token €1m as well, SKY offered almost double that in 2002 despite only having a 20% share in the market at the time. The station itself would not cost a lot to run and all production would obviously be out-sourced to production companies. But yea I'm insane. Liverpool are insane as well for wanting to bring their own games in-house and sell their own rights!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
If the FAI had their own platform there wouldn't need to be a bidding process in the first place. That's the whole pointQuote:
Originally Posted by derm
Rumour Alert: Fenlon to Hibs, O'Neill to NI and Kerr to Rovers.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
We wouldnt be entitked to any compo for Fenlon i dont reckon and we definitely wouldnt stand in his way. Id like Roddy back at Bohs to be honest but slim chance with the history still there.
Brian Kerr? I suppose it would be a pay-grade up from the Faroes...
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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Why don't we start out own TV channel with Live games and highlights shows, Foot.ieTV. Theres a challenge for ya.
We'll take over the league in 5 years and have it run how we want.
Saorview is Free To Air, not Free To Broadcast. I think the broadcast costs would outweigh any financial benefit - independent companies aren't exactly falling over themselves to get on the platform because of the costs. I'd love to see it - an FAI channel with International, Underage, LoI matches (live and delayed) and highlights - but not convinced it'd make any money or even breakeven. And Delaney's all about money.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Not convinced it's a good idea from Liverpool either btw - pure short termism, and might be a box they open and then suffer the consequences (and then moan how life isn't fair, as is the scouse want).
Well you campared it to another pay channel (LFC TV) so I rpeesumed thats the route you were takingQuote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
FAI jsut cut staff. Who's going to sell advertising? Who's going to run the comp[any that outsources all the production etc. How much is all of this going to cost and will it be paid with 5/6 internationals a year? YOu think saorview is a big enough platform to make €1 mill in advertising (and thats without costs). Remember too that world cup and europan championship qualifiers are sold in packages too. So the FAI would have to bid on its own games as it wouldn't hold the rights to anythign but friendlies...Quote:
Viability would be all down to advertising, especially adverts during senior international games. The FAI essentially gets €1m per year from RTÉ, the FAI would easily make that back and more in advertising for senior games alone. Remember that's a token €1m as well, SKY offered almost double that in 2002 despite only having a 20% share in the market at the time. The station itself would not cost a lot to run and all production would obviously be out-sourced to production companies
There are about 100 times the amount of people who claim to be Liverpool fans than Rep of Ireland fans. The markets don't compare. Thats before we get to the other 19 clubs in the EPL immediately distancing themselves from this and saying its a horrendous ideaQuote:
But yea I'm insane. Liverpool are insane as well for wanting to bring their own games in-house and sell their own rights!
Because there is no identifiable market for such a station in Ireland. The aforementioned LFC.TV is free on most Sports packages and number that pay for MUTV is tiny (not sure RE Chavski TV but doubt it bucks the trend).Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Given the weekly gripefest on here about MNS can you really see fans paying for a dedicated football station ? Not to mention the huge costs involved in setting up such an enterprise as the FAI probobly have zero experience in this area.
Complete non runner even with the glory hunting OLe, Ole brigade back "supporting" the National side :)
Think Kerr has ended his role with Faroes and heard his name linked recently with Shams job.Only rumour at this stage but not beyond belief especially if Nutsey heads off to Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Apparently MUTV has lost money every year of its existence. Though MUFC's latest figures apparently mention a "material increase" in subscribers this year compared to last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
The club could possible justify it on grounds of increasing brand awareness and loyalty? That would really hold for a national team, I'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
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IT seems Irish football is in vogue once more. While a nation celebrates the Republic’s qualification for next summer’s European Championships, their club managers are also being sized up for various vacancies at Scottish clubs.
There is little correlation between the two events – the national team is managed by an Italian and none of the squad play their football domestically – but there is no doubting that soccer in Ireland is on a high right now.
That wave of optimism has not gone unnoticed in Scotland. Whether due to the decline of standards in the Scottish Premier League or an improvement in the League of Ireland, it seems the gap between the two – in terms of perceived quality and professionalism – is closer than ever.
It has led to Scottish clubs looking across the water for candidates whenever they draw up the shortlist for their next possible manager.
To date, only Stephen Kenny, who spent a year at Dunfermline Athletic before returning to Derry City, has ended up making the switch from one league to the other, but others have been under consideration.
There are no cultural difficulties and the style of football is similar. Chairmen know what they will be getting from managers in Ireland \
Dundee United wanted Pat Fenlon to replace Craig Levein as manager last year only for the move to fall through because of Bohemians’ compensation demands.
More recently St Johnstone looked to Paul Cook as the man to succeed Derek McInnes but couldn’t agree personal terms with the Sligo Rovers manager and ended up turning their attention instead to Steve Lomas.
Now it seems Hibernian are considering two coaches from the League of Ireland as they continue their pursuit for a successor to Colin Calderwood.
Fenlon is again in the frame – the bookmakers’ odds on him getting the job were dramatically slashed earlier in the week – while the other candidate is Michael O’Neill, the former Hibs player who recently helped guide Shamrock Rovers to a second consecutive league title on top of the earlier achievement of reaching the group phase of the Europa League.
There is little doubt that Irish-based managers are still seen as a cheaper option, although United’s cash wrangle with Bohemians and Cook’s failure to agree terms with St Johnstone would seem to suggest that is gradually becoming less the case.
There would also be the hope that those with experience of the League of Ireland would be able to source up-and-coming local talent – the next Paddy McCourt ideally – and persuade them their futures lay in Scottish football.
Then there is the small matter of summer football. The Irish changed their calendar several years ago and have reaped the rewards, most notably in European competition where their increased state of readiness has led to an upturn in results.
It also means their season now comes to a halt in late October, usually around the time when underfire Scottish chairmen may be thinking it is time for a change in the dugout following a poor start to the campaign. Putting all these components together, it is hardly a surprise that Scottish clubs are looking to Ireland as an enticing alternative to the names usually thrown into the mix whenever a vacancy arises.
“There are certainly managers over here who could hack it in the SPL,” was the viewpoint of Roddy Collins, manager of recently promoted Monaghan United and someone perenially linked to Scottish clubs. “I know it didn’t work out for Stephen Kenny at Dunfermline but many of the managers here are more advanced now than they ever were, many with their UEFA Pro licences and experience of European football.
“They also know the players in the league, and a lot of them could make the step up to the SPL. Ireland’s also not far from Scotland, there are no cultural difficulties and the style of football between the two leagues is similar. So club chairmen know by and large what they will be getting when they come for managers in the League of Ireland.”
The reputation of Scottish football among the Irish has suffered in recent years but Collins feels any criticism is unwarranted and unfair. “Some people here try to demean Scottish football when they hear Paul Cook or Michael O’Neill are thinking of moving over but I can’t understand why. For me it’s still a step up from Irish football, 100%. The SPL’s a great league and anyone operating in the League of Ireland would be crazy to turn down an approach to go there.”
Of the two leading candidates for the Hibs vacancy, Collins believes O’Neill would be the better fit. “Michael’s probably taken Shamrock as far as he can so, unless he’s waiting on a move to England, I think Hibs would be perfect for him. He’s well-respected there as a former player and he’s shown he’s got what it takes to be a manager.
“Pat has shown in his career that he can succeed when he’s got plenty of money to spend but when he had no money he failed. At a club watching its budget you have to show you can work with little or no money and unfortunately for Pat he has the legacy of working at two clubs who ended up bankrupt. He should have taken the Dundee United job when he had the chance, even if it meant working for half the money so the compensation could get paid.”
Collins, who was once involved in a failed takeover of Gretna and managed Bohemians to their shock UEFA Cup win over Aberdeen, revealed he would leap at the chance to one day manage in Scotland. “I was asked to put my name in for the Hibs job a few weeks ago by an agent,” he added. “I don’t think I’ll get it on this occasion but I’d definitely be interested if a similar job came up in future. I think my cv shows I could do a decent job over there.”
In other words "please hire me please hire me"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario
I'd say that's the only reason it exists. Wouldn't hold for the national team, but could for the league. Still pie in the sky (no pun intended) given the how much it would cost. However, given some of the crap that's FTA on satellite and manages to survive, and the fact the FAI effectively pay for coverage of the league as it is, it perhaps isn't that nuts (for the league not national team).Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Thought he was going to show his loyalty to Mons by sticking with them for next season:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by desaintsno.12
Nah, he's starting the mind games on Fenlon early.
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Originally Posted by marinobohs
I wish there was an easy way to type sarcasm.....
In all seriousness though, got to thinking...do RTÉ own the rights to the first division? Would love to scrape together some sort of online highlights package for the first divison.
Nobody owns any exlusive rights to the League of Ireland. You can show what you like
I do recall Harps trying to show a live online stream of games last year but were given a slap on the wrist by either FAI or RTÉ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
At the same time though, I'd love to see a highlights package of First Division. Probably won't happen though.
Some clubs already do show highlights (with or without sarcasm :)) on their own sites (Shels for example) so must be possible outside of RTE. If all first division clubs provided a package of their own home games to a central "host" it would just need an on line site to show them all. Should be "doable" and could be advertised within League, club websites etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Would hardly generate much money initially but could potentially be quite popular
Shamrock Rovers stream games line, don't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
As for First Division highlights, on the basis that beggars can't be choosers, YouTube isn't too bad for that. Though I don't know how many First Division clubs do their own highlights?
He asked, as if he didn't know.:pig:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Only home games I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
interesting question on reflection im sure they do, they would own everything except the debtsQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Well Harps were doing highlights on Youtube for a while, have done it on and off, but getting someone to actually do it is the problem.
Shels TV is a prime example .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Technically, but RTE has been quick enough to pull rank in the past (eg on Radio Commentary).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I think they did have exclusive radio rights at the time. Now look where we are...Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
There's no problem with RTE getting first choice, but they don't own the rights to League games (just their footage, obviously)
What good are LOI rights to us anyway, when the fcuking FAI arent paying out the Live game fees they get when RTE show a game.
Interesting take of dalyer situation from someone on rovers forum ...
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I don't think it is that simple.
Firstly the land - the site is 5.2 acres. Development land is off approx 90% from its peak. That would leave Dalymount on a valuation of €6.5mio (10% of €65mio, assuming Carroll offer was market peak). Albion have a valid claim to say an acre of that which leaves Bohs owning 4.2 acres at a valuation of €5.25mio (a generous valuation given planning likely to be difficult and the site has restricted access). All this assumes they can realise that value by sellling the site. Banks are no longer lending against development land and anyone with cash has their pick of sites from NAMA, etc. Phibsboro wouldn't be top of your list and the Mountjoy redevelopment is now unlikely to happen as the new prison development in Thornton Hall is now dead. It's hard to believe anyone would buy Dalymount today with a view to sitting on it until the property market rebounded.
BUT - Zurich Bank Ireland pulled out of property lending in 2009 and have marked down the value of their book aggressively, including presumably the Bohs loan. It is possible that, if they feel there is no prospect of getting their money back, they simply write the loan down to zero (it may already be there) and hand back the security (the car park on the Connaught St side). That would be a serious result for Bohs, although they would still have little prospect of selling the site in the current market. If they could persuade Zurich that they are broke, would Zurich walk? Are Bohs that smart?
It would seem bizarre to hand back the security if no attempt is made to repay the loan!
Surely Zurich would be better buying the ground themselves for whatever the loan is and renting it back to Bohs? Would at least see them get something out of the deal.
would seem the most sensible option as theres not a hope in hell that Bohs can afford any sort of repaymentQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu