I believe the phrase I am looking for is:Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Put up or shut up
I believe the phrase I am looking for is:Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Put up or shut up
I'm no cheerleader of JD, never could be. However I don't believe his removal would help football in any way shape or form in Ireland. As Dodge rightly put it, when the clubs ran the show it was even worse. There is one sensible way out, but that would take self-control by clubs, professionality and intelligence - which means it will never happen. I hope Bohs can sort themselves out, the league needs them. The LOI needs every club in it, and more, we need a competitive, attractive league. The interest can be there, though it just never seems possible to tap into it.
the League will continue along the same way with or without us. We need to prove we deserve to be there.
Just think how much publicity the league would get if John Delaney ran on the pitch whenever Waterford United won at home and threw his tie into the crowd. Or he could go on tour!
One of the most embarrassing sights in Irish football (and God there are plenty of contenders :)) was the sight of Delaney "celebrating" on the pitch after Friday nights game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
He has managed to make his "extra team " at the World Cup finals debacle look reasonable. The man is a clown :rolleyes:
John Delaney running on to the pitch giving celebration signs of drinking was another great image for the younger fans watching on TV. :drink:
Well done to Frank & Irene for promoting the image of Ireland to the world.
It was 9.40pm, they should've all been in bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
Didn't think I'd ever see anyone use 'won't someone think of the children?!' on here sans sarcasm but there ya go.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
....never mind the children, NOBODY should have to see such an embarrasing scene :rolleyes:
Eh, no. I'll continue to give my opinion and last time I checked this was a messageboard where people give opinions. Thanks anyway and thanks for the dumb suggestions, they're not appreciated but thanks anyway ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
I'm not demanding anything. I'm making suggestions. Jees, chill the beans there, eh. Demanding. Paw-leese.Quote:
Originally Posted by desaintsno.12
The suggestion that me alone should start a campaign with no clout and not a bean to my name was a dumb suggestion as anyone with half a brain would see. I make no apology for calling it as I see it.Quote:
And yet anyone who tries to set your straight on any issue is either called a moron, or patronised. Interesting.
The FAI need to invest in the league and actual market it. You all disagree it seems. I think an associaton that can pay its CE €400k per annum can spend some money on marketing their league to the masses.
The point, as anyone who has half a brain would see, is that the clubs are a) powerless and b) happy with their lot as they just voted to retain the status quo less than 6 months ago. So as dumb suggestions go, you started it... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
The FAI has spent more than 400k in promoting the league through RTE (MNS).Quote:
The FAI need to invest in the league and actual market it. You all disagree it seems. I think an associaton that can pay its CE €400k per annum can spend some money on marketing their league to the masses.
Of all the things wring with the league, the FAI is only stractching the surface of them.
They were due €5m more over the course of the RTÉ deal I believe if it was just for the national team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
You know I was told they actually had to pay for MNS to be shown and then was told RTE paid them. It seems I have right, that's fair enough they do but quite pathetic RTE have to be paid to show a highlights programme of LOI football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I'm aware they voted to keep the FAI, that wasn't my dispute. Mine is that I feel they don't done enough to promote the domestic game. I'm aware there's more deep-rooted issues, but I'm making the point about what the FAI, as custodians of the game, can perhaps do. One of the major issues is the attitude of the local population, I feel the best thing for that is a clever marketing campaign of a similar mode to what the rugby crowd did. Maybe it wouldn't work and it wouldn't change things overnight, but I think it's worthy enough for discussion and some consideration.
If our teams were handed qualification spots for the Champions League we'd be sorted alright - that was one clever marketing campaign they had in rugby....Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
1) Rugby fans here don't idolise English rugby clubsQuote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
2) can you give an example of any clever marketing the IRFU did?
3) Even if you had the best marketing in the world you won't keep people around for more than the odd game with ****e facilities and ****e football
If the FAI had half a brain between them they'd ditch RTÉ and launch their own TV channel and take the International games with them. With the new Saorview platform the option is now there and it would be quite reasonable to run, along the lines of LFC TV or MUTV I'd imagine. They'd make far more than €5m over 5 years which is what they currently get from RTÉ. Plus they'd have the best marketing tool in Irish sport and a ready made platform to show as many games, highlights programs and whatever else as they like. But the Rugby boys or GAA will probably do it first.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
You're beyond insane if you actually believe that to be a viable option (forgetting about the illegality of it)
You're right about the viability but I doubt if it'd be illegal as long as it was on Saorview and not pay-per-view. Although it might be forced to bid for the rights to show games with RTE and TV3 which would be a farce as it would always "win".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I see the players are getting a €4million bonus for qualifying. But it's ok, the money's not the important thing for them. Therefore, I look forward to them donating it back to the FAI to save the spiritual home of Irish football.
Sorry, I, of course, meant it'd be illegal to have the games on a pay channel (as the poster mentioned MUTV etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by derm
its completely ridiculous either way
Not so much the IRFU itself but Leinster and Munster have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I know what you're saying about facilities but the two would go hand in hand. Increased attendances means increased revenue to improve facilities. It won't happen overnight but what do we do then?
They're provinces, not examples of clever marketing...Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
That was a new low, the people that cheer him would cheer Idi Amin if he bought them a pint. All his show and taking credit for Trap and the Irish players' performances, and yet when Staunton was getting savaged Delaney was hiding behind his three-man panel.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
So you blame the clubs then....Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
TAL, you have a point about marketing, the FAI gave funds for clubs to have a marketing officer, but no club really got the hang of implementing it, now it's gone. The LOI's a hard sell and Dodge is right in pointing out that clubs themselves should shoulder blame to a degree for not marketing themselves properly. But it's more than just tv, it's more than just clubs or product on the field. It's just some odd little world that hasn't changed in a long, long time. Nor does it want to change.
They gave clubs some money towards a Community and Promotions OfficerQuote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Not purely marketing...
The guy that Pats had was excellent at the community stuff
Did they give any money for actual marketing though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Yeah all clubs had to have a CPO put in place two years ago didn't they? I know the guy who's at Harps who was CPO, now secretary, is a complete tit who did nothing for the club. Went around a few schools but thats it. Would have done a better job at it myself. Pity I was in college at the time though ;P
Nigel it's something that worked and didn't work, the CPO had a broad brief and to market a club (not just in the commercial sense but to get it into the fabric of the comunity) is commendable, and has been pointed out worked in some situations, though it's not something to just turn on and off, it's a 20 years deal withteh right people, not just jobs for boys (or girls) with connections, but for real pros who can execute it.
Ah yes that was my point, just didn't explain it correctly. I was all for the CPO idea, I still am, I think there simply isn't enough structure in place to advertise the league correctly and I don't think the FAI or RTÉ are exactly doing what they can to promote it either. The idea of a CPO is a good one, but as you said, it needs to be done properly, by a professional. Sadly this wasn't the case with Harps as it was basically handed to whoever would take the job rather than look for someone proper to do it.
Having a CPO is still a requirement for a premier licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I doubt the FAI contributed the going rate for a marketing exec (or whatever poncey name they give themselves). They also contributed no budget as far as I'm aware either. Personally, I think the community aspect is much more applicable at a club level, with marketing done at an association level where there could be a team of people. They could be sent to local areas, do media buys on local media etc.
I don't think it is. Once the FAI funding went, so did that requirementQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Think it s something like €17k towards a salary. No moreQuote:
I doubt the FAI contributed the going rate for a marketing exec (or whatever poncey name they give themselves). They also contributed no budget as far as I'm aware either
Nope, fairly sure it's still there, just without the FAI funding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
(I see no other reason we'd still have one otherwise)
He did personally defend that appointment in 2005/2006 at a Rovers AGM.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicMon
Anyway it was probably just pleased Dundalk fans on Friday night.
Well unlike most clubs yous probably hired somebody who was actually competent to do the job so maybe it is actually a viable position there.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
It's not needed for a Premier Licence we have a Premier Licence and no CPO as far as I'm aware. In terms of clubs hiring people not up to the job, the FAI were part of the interview process and did all their training so they have to take some of the blame.
Depends on who's applying, I suppose. If no-one applies, all the training in the world won't change the fact that no-one's applied.
True. The main problem we had was the inordinate amount of time spent implementing initiatives thought up by the promotions side of the FAI that had absolutely no benefit to the club short or long term.