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27/09/2011, 8:14 AM
prawnsandwich2

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Originally Posted by magicman

Your right and i do apologies to the real supporters but over the last couple of years a minority has turned this site all about those two. And unfortunately a loud minority will always taint the majority

grand job...
27/09/2011, 8:26 AM
Roadend

Quote:

Originally Posted by prawnsandwich2

bit harsh on fairview/pike there.
agree with a fair few points you have made,but not all supporters of view/pike post herejust to slag other clubs off.
don't paint us all with the one brush

To be fair his point is spot on about these "supposed" Pike/fairview lads who have clogged this place up with their constant BS. Its quite easy to spot who is genuine from Pike/Fairview, and who the retard element are. We all know who they are and like anything, if they were ignored they'd go away.
27/09/2011, 8:41 AM
prawnsandwich2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadend

To be fair his point is spot on about these "supposed" Pike/fairview lads who have clogged this place up with their constant BS. Its quite easy to spot who is genuine from Pike/Fairview, and who the retard element are. We all know who they are and like anything, if they were ignored they'd go away.

agreed.
anyhow...looking forward to the view/regional match on sunday.
if the view can get over this one,then the lads that have transferred will be eligible for future rounds.
it will be very tight i think.
27/09/2011, 9:10 AM
hotspur

Quote:

Originally Posted by magicman

Believe it or not there used to be a time on this website where Limerick soccer was debated constructively by people who knew more about football other than Pike/Fairview being the greatest team in the world.
Wonder would it be possible to open a Pike Fairview thread and let them argue over who has the bigger **** and then maybe this could get back to something like a real discussion.

Its a disgrace that people who come onto her with a proper opinion are shouted down by know it alls. I'm not saying I have any greater knowledge of junior football than the people mentioned but Chr1st can people not realise they are not always right?

This is what the Limerick Senior threads used to be like until sane people took over. It used to be great to log onto here on a Sunday and Monday, probably as far back as 2 years ago at this stage, after games and read real reports, see people debate decisions in a civil manner and actually get an idea of what is happening in Junior soccer. Now you log on and real football people like Abbeyvale come on and say "oh, we lost 3-0 but were unlucky".... Ten minutes later people are on here saying oh ye are useless and it should have been ten nil.

I know this is just a rant but I'm sick of it. I admit one or two of my comments in the past were just pure Wummings, but they were done for a reason. It was done to create a discussion and to see how people felt about issues.

Limerick players should be in the Irish set up? From a Limerick point of view then yes there should be players who get a chance, but if you watch it from the outside its a completely different picture.

I saw at least 10 Pike games last season( and before people start knocking this, I am not knocking Pike, this is my opinion). Boris was a shadow of the player he was the season before. Whether he was being watched more tightly, whether it was a different game plan or whether he was just playing rubbish. Who knows? He's a brilliant player on his day but no way did he deserve a call up last season.

Hartnett? On the ball he is brilliant. he can pick a pass 40 yards away with ease, but therein lies the problem. Pike resorted to a quick counter strategy over the last couple of years. Constantly playinng long balls up to Barry to either hold up and feed the wingers or knock onto Moloney. And that's the problem for Barry too. While he looks great against defenders not half as strong under the high ball, he doesnt play enough football to fit into the Irish set up. Compare him to the 2 Killester lads from a couple of seasons ago? Quick, brilliant first touch and great movement. Alan holds up a ball like nobody else in teh Premier League but against smarter defenders it wont work. Evidence is the way Buckley could mark him outta the game on a number of occasions.
Mullins is an excellent defender and justifiably deserves a chance, but the Irish set up must consider him small and when you look at the current centre backs then thats not a pressing issue to try him out, yet.

The two players that do deserve a chance are Neville and Kavanagh. Gary will be a top class keeper, but again, he's still learning. And while being a top class shot stopper, he is still prone to the odd mistake which is fine in a team of Pike's calibre but in a tight game could be costly. (in saying that in his 2 years at Pike he is an immensely better keeper, and will be the Irish no1 soon).
Kavanagh deserves his chance. He is the best player in the league hands down. He's a player I'm suprised isn't playing in the LOI Premier but again, at 21, he has time on his side.

Our problem, and this is from Irish selectors who I've talked to, is that our league has turned so uncompetitive. Its very rarely the likes of Pike have to hit top gear to beat a team. That's not benificial to the Pike players chances of gaining higher honours. Think aabout it, a selector turns up to watch Pike and they stroll to a 7-0 win. What can he learn about any of the defence or keeper? Apart from the odd tackle or save they are never under pressure? That filters then through the team. The midfielder or stiker who was in the scouts taughts before the game may both play brilliantly but the scout leaves thinking "that was a stroll in the park". He then goes and watches another game in the afternoon in a closer contest and sees players battle hard and do well against opponents of the same standard. When it comes to putting names forward its always going to be from the games where players face challanges and do well.

A bit of perspective is needed. And a bit of real debate. Anybody who ever siad to me player x should be in the squad, its a disgrace he's not in it. Then I have a question for you..... Who should he be in there instead of? If you can't answer it with any knowledge of the other players, how bout make a case for him. Say he deserves a chance because he's done this, this and this. Not because he's the best player in the league by a mile. Thats a rubbish arguement!

When a bit of sanity, realism and proper debate returns to this forum, and Limerick soccer supporters in general, then it will be for the better good. A realistic approach to the league by people, might see it improve. I'm not knocking the smaller teams but to call this the strongest league in the country when the top 3 scoring teams in the league have scored 101 goals in 22 games and the three most porous defences have conceded 89 goals in 23 games is ridiculous. Its detremental to our overall success. And while people will argue that there is FAI's, MJC's and should have been a couple of Oscar Traynor cups to show for it, what good is it to have 2 or 3 of the countries best squads and nothing after that?

If players want real international recognition, we need a competitive league. fair enough there will always be weaker teams, but, a few years ago we had Balla, regional, pike, fairview, carew, aisling, summerville and wembley all have players called up or being watched by junior selectors. Now, in the eyes of the "dublin only" selectors, we only have players from one or two teams worth watching.

That to me doesnt sound like progress.....

Rant over.

What a begrudging post Alan barry scored against the best defenders in the country including brian buckley, he scored in 9 rounds of the fai last year including two against sherriff away from home, boris last year wasnt at hes best he had a very serious injury and had no pre season have you seen him this year and tell me a better left sided player in limerickand he is just 21 , and now you seem to be answering for the irish manager as well by making excuses why the best defender in the league pat mullins is not on the irish squad because of hes not tall enough, in the trial they had him right full in fear they would have to leave out smiths love child, everyone on this forum two weeks ago was ranting how good clark is scoring so many goals when it was put up to him he hadnt a scoring chance against mullins. The record shows that the limerick league is very strong never easy going to balla,carew who have changed things around regional very tricky and got to the semi final of the fai.
27/09/2011, 9:35 AM
prawnsandwich2

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotspur

What a begrudging post Alan barry scored against the best defenders in the country including brian buckley, he scored in 9 rounds of the fai last year including two against sherriff away from home, boris last year wasnt at hes best he had a very serious injury and had no pre season have you seen him this year and tell me a better left sided player in limerickand he is just 21 , and now you seem to be answering for the irish manager as well by making excuses why the best defender in the league pat mullins is not on the irish squad because of hes not tall enough, in the trial they had him right full in fear they would have to leave out smiths love child, everyone on this forum two weeks ago was ranting how good clark is scoring so many goals when it was put up to him he hadnt a scoring chance against mullins. The record shows that the limerick league is very strong never easy going to balla,carew who have changed things around regional very tricky and got to the semi final of the fai.

you need to make up your mind about regional.
yesterday you said they were not up to much and are poor on the FAi junior cup thread.
no one in fairview thinks that thank god.
27/09/2011, 10:21 AM
hotspur

Quote:

Originally Posted by prawnsandwich2

you need to make up your mind about regional.
yesterday you said they were not up to much and are poor on the FAi junior cup thread.
no one in fairview thinks that thank god.

yes but league and fai completely different Fairview have to much experience for regional
27/09/2011, 10:23 AM
Roadend

Quote:

Originally Posted by prawnsandwich2

you need to make up your mind about regional.
yesterday you said they were not up to much and are poor on the FAi junior cup thread.
no one in fairview thinks that thank god.

Remember that bit about ignoring certain people.....
27/09/2011, 10:44 AM
mrman

Magicman, that is an excellent post, now lets wait for the 2 pike Fans to make the 3 comments and attack the post. lol
27/09/2011, 11:22 AM
prawnsandwich2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadend

Remember that bit about ignoring certain people.....

interesting article in the star (target) about kieth hartnett.
27/09/2011, 11:51 AM
thomas72

Cyril Maher summervile to carew park

Mike carey also resigned for carew
27/09/2011, 11:55 AM
prawnsandwich2

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas72

Cyril Maher summervile to carew park

Mike carey also resigned for carew

i thought mike had to pack it in because of injury??
nice guy and happy for him if he return playing ball
27/09/2011, 12:33 PM
thomas72

Quote:

Originally Posted by prawnsandwich2

i thought mike had to pack it in because of injury??
nice guy and happy for him if he return playing ball

He has done a lot of work on the injury he came back to soon last time he is looking in excellent shape training hard. ALso great to have cyril back
27/09/2011, 4:00 PM
hotspur

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas72

He has done a lot of work on the injury he came back to soon last time he is looking in excellent shape training hard. ALso great to have cyril back

Good to see mike back i think cyril is passed hes best he was a good player how old is he.
27/09/2011, 4:12 PM
no17 fan

Cyril is only 30/31 maybe not in his prime but far from finished, Pity for Summerville to lose him important player for the A team this year, Hopefully the lads can pull together and make something happen. Should make Carew stronger and push for a starting spot.
27/09/2011, 4:57 PM
blueboy2

Quote:

Originally Posted by magicman

Believe it or not there used to be a time on this website where Limerick soccer was debated constructively by people who knew more about football other than Pike/Fairview being the greatest team in the world.
Wonder would it be possible to open a Pike Fairview thread and let them argue over who has the bigger **** and then maybe this could get back to something like a real discussion.

Its a disgrace that people who come onto her with a proper opinion are shouted down by know it alls. I'm not saying I have any greater knowledge of junior football than the people mentioned but Chr1st can people not realise they are not always right?

This is what the Limerick Senior threads used to be like until sane people took over. It used to be great to log onto here on a Sunday and Monday, probably as far back as 2 years ago at this stage, after games and read real reports, see people debate decisions in a civil manner and actually get an idea of what is happening in Junior soccer. Now you log on and real football people like Abbeyvale come on and say "oh, we lost 3-0 but were unlucky".... Ten minutes later people are on here saying oh ye are useless and it should have been ten nil.

I know this is just a rant but I'm sick of it. I admit one or two of my comments in the past were just pure Wummings, but they were done for a reason. It was done to create a discussion and to see how people felt about issues.

Limerick players should be in the Irish set up? From a Limerick point of view then yes there should be players who get a chance, but if you watch it from the outside its a completely different picture.

I saw at least 10 Pike games last season( and before people start knocking this, I am not knocking Pike, this is my opinion). Boris was a shadow of the player he was the season before. Whether he was being watched more tightly, whether it was a different game plan or whether he was just playing rubbish. Who knows? He's a brilliant player on his day but no way did he deserve a call up last season.

Hartnett? On the ball he is brilliant. he can pick a pass 40 yards away with ease, but therein lies the problem. Pike resorted to a quick counter strategy over the last couple of years. Constantly playinng long balls up to Barry to either hold up and feed the wingers or knock onto Moloney. And that's the problem for Barry too. While he looks great against defenders not half as strong under the high ball, he doesnt play enough football to fit into the Irish set up. Compare him to the 2 Killester lads from a couple of seasons ago? Quick, brilliant first touch and great movement. Alan holds up a ball like nobody else in teh Premier League but against smarter defenders it wont work. Evidence is the way Buckley could mark him outta the game on a number of occasions.
Mullins is an excellent defender and justifiably deserves a chance, but the Irish set up must consider him small and when you look at the current centre backs then thats not a pressing issue to try him out, yet.

The two players that do deserve a chance are Neville and Kavanagh. Gary will be a top class keeper, but again, he's still learning. And while being a top class shot stopper, he is still prone to the odd mistake which is fine in a team of Pike's calibre but in a tight game could be costly. (in saying that in his 2 years at Pike he is an immensely better keeper, and will be the Irish no1 soon).
Kavanagh deserves his chance. He is the best player in the league hands down. He's a player I'm suprised isn't playing in the LOI Premier but again, at 21, he has time on his side.

Our problem, and this is from Irish selectors who I've talked to, is that our league has turned so uncompetitive. Its very rarely the likes of Pike have to hit top gear to beat a team. That's not benificial to the Pike players chances of gaining higher honours. Think aabout it, a selector turns up to watch Pike and they stroll to a 7-0 win. What can he learn about any of the defence or keeper? Apart from the odd tackle or save they are never under pressure? That filters then through the team. The midfielder or stiker who was in the scouts taughts before the game may both play brilliantly but the scout leaves thinking "that was a stroll in the park". He then goes and watches another game in the afternoon in a closer contest and sees players battle hard and do well against opponents of the same standard. When it comes to putting names forward its always going to be from the games where players face challanges and do well.

A bit of perspective is needed. And a bit of real debate. Anybody who ever siad to me player x should be in the squad, its a disgrace he's not in it. Then I have a question for you..... Who should he be in there instead of? If you can't answer it with any knowledge of the other players, how bout make a case for him. Say he deserves a chance because he's done this, this and this. Not because he's the best player in the league by a mile. Thats a rubbish arguement!

When a bit of sanity, realism and proper debate returns to this forum, and Limerick soccer supporters in general, then it will be for the better good. A realistic approach to the league by people, might see it improve. I'm not knocking the smaller teams but to call this the strongest league in the country when the top 3 scoring teams in the league have scored 101 goals in 22 games and the three most porous defences have conceded 89 goals in 23 games is ridiculous. Its detremental to our overall success. And while people will argue that there is FAI's, MJC's and should have been a couple of Oscar Traynor cups to show for it, what good is it to have 2 or 3 of the countries best squads and nothing after that?

If players want real international recognition, we need a competitive league. fair enough there will always be weaker teams, but, a few years ago we had Balla, regional, pike, fairview, carew, aisling, summerville and wembley all have players called up or being watched by junior selectors. Now, in the eyes of the "dublin only" selectors, we only have players from one or two teams worth watching.

That to me doesnt sound like progress.....

Rant over.

Great post all true.
27/09/2011, 4:58 PM
abbeyvale

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas72

Cyril Maher summervile to carew park

Mike carey also resigned for carew

Pa Barry (Boro - Star Rvs)
27/09/2011, 5:07 PM
Damnunited

the best post i have ever read,, well done magicman...i hope it opens up some peoples eyes,,
27/09/2011, 5:41 PM
Begrudger

Quote:

Originally Posted by no17 fan

Cyril is only 30/31 maybe not in his prime but far from finished, Pity for Summerville to lose him important player for the A team this year, Hopefully the lads can pull together and make something happen. Should make Carew stronger and push for a starting spot.

Bad news for Summerville if Cyril leaves again he was one of the key players but it's tough to be on the end of the thumpings Summerville have been receiving lately.
27/09/2011, 9:43 PM
tedd11

great to see mike back playing for carew.he gave them great service over the years and got a nasty injury afew years back.fairplay to him for working hard to get back to fitness.pa barry is a big signing for star also.will defo add strength to them.any more transfers from other premier teams?
27/09/2011, 10:52 PM
magicman

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotspur

What a begrudging post Alan barry scored against the best defenders in the country including brian buckley, he scored in 9 rounds of the fai last year including two against sherriff away from home, boris last year wasnt at hes best he had a very serious injury and had no pre season have you seen him this year and tell me a better left sided player in limerickand he is just 21 , and now you seem to be answering for the irish manager as well by making excuses why the best defender in the league pat mullins is not on the irish squad because of hes not tall enough, in the trial they had him right full in fear they would have to leave out smiths love child, everyone on this forum two weeks ago was ranting how good clark is scoring so many goals when it was put up to him he hadnt a scoring chance against mullins. The record shows that the limerick league is very strong never easy going to balla,carew who have changed things around regional very tricky and got to the semi final of the fai.

I never begrudged Alan Barry. I gave my opinion as to why I don't think he gets a call up. In a junior league he is brilliant. No debating otherwise. But even if it is junior football, the step up between club and international is huge. As good as Alan is, there are more technical players around. Clarke is the same. Tonnes of talent but a top class defender will mark him easily. I bet Pat Mullins could do the same to Barry as he did to Clarke.

I never answerd for the Irish manager and I'm certainly not making excuses for him. Its not my job and to be honest I don't see why he needs to make excuses. Just because you don't like a player who plays for the Irish set up, doesnt mean the alternative is any better. Being "smiths love child" as an arguement as to why he's in the squad ahead of your own summed up my point perfectly. Your arguement has no grounds whatsoever. How many times do you see the other defenders in the Irish squad play? Maybe you might see one or two of them once or twice a year? How can you make an honest judgement as to why Limerick players aren't in the squad? And just because they are class players, doensn't mean they deserve a spot in the squad. Look how many leagues a squad is chosen from. I'd bet there is a player in every single one of those leagues as good as every player we have in ours.

I never said Boris wasn't a good player. My point was last year he was poor. Nothing to do with skill or ability. It was form. Therefore he did not deserve a call up. He played the year before and by all accounts was excellent. Had he being playing well he would be in the Irish set up but I'm sure he will be back there soon.

Next time you see Smith around at a game, have a chat with him..... People on here may not like him but the man knows the good and bad about every player worth looking at. I've had the plessure of his company at a number of games over the last few years and when I've asked about certain players, some who you think should be in the squad and others who were there or there abouts over the years, and he can tell you in an instant the flaws to their game as to why they don't get selected.

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