Bohs in financial trouble - FAI Licencing called into question again?

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14/01/2011, 3:34 AM
micls

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Originally Posted by SkStu

anyone got an answer on the Cork question? I genuinely dont know if the players who werent paid ever issued winding up notice..

None of the players with us did. They were incredibly loyal, more than anyone expected. In fact it got to the stage where the fans were behind the players and would have supported them fully in any action they took. In some people's eyes they let themselves take too much crap. But the loyalty shown is something I never imagined would happen and I wouldnt expect in most situations.

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Originally Posted by Mr A

I seem to recall that Gareth Farrelly lobbed one in at some stage?

He did, but that was for his compensation. we had cancelled his contract and he got compensation in court. Coughlan never paid so Farrelly went to wind up. He wasn't a player at the time though.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

huh? maybe because they wouldnt allow their names to be released. That is not being open. And that is what Spudulika seemed to be referring to.

Seriously? Have you read your messageboard? You wonder why they didn't go public and open themselves up to the threats and abuse in person? The club knew who they were, that was enough.
14/01/2011, 8:56 AM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

I can't remember a time before in which i've agreed with Pinapple Stu but he's been fairly spot on in everything he's said so far.

It's funny how people usually only disagree with me when I'm talking about their club. When I'm talking about another club, I get this. Reminds me of the post John83 had in which he had people decrying me as a witch for speaking ill of their clubs. :)
14/01/2011, 8:58 AM
osarusan

SkStu, I've a lot of time for you as a poster on here, but I have to say I can't see where you're coming from at all.

The players are owed money, they're legally entitled to that money. Bohs said they didn't have it, and asked the players to wait until a certain date. That date has passed, Bohs now have the money but are refusing to pay. I think 100% percent of the blame in this lies with Bohs, and the players in question feel like they have beeen left with no other option but to play hardball and go to court (It's not hard to understand why they might not put too much faith in Bohs' request that they just wait longer for the money).

As people have said, once you pay these players, the story is over. You have the money to pay them - you admit that they'll eventually get it anyway. Why not just pay them now and save yourselves the hassle and bad publicity?
14/01/2011, 9:07 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by osarusan

As people have said, once you pay these players, the story is over. You have the money to pay them - you admit that they'll eventually get it anyway. Why not just pay them now and save yourselves the hassle and bad publicity?

Not to mention legal fees. Thats why I think Bohs don't have the money.

Which probably throws up more worries (as in has all the findraising money gone already?)

AFAIK the money owed is on existing wages. Yet Bohs are still trying to negotiate a pay off for future wages? What confidence would any of the players hvae that the pay off will be paid on time when outstanding wages aren't being paid?
14/01/2011, 10:12 AM
D.24saint

I read yesterday that bohs have nearly reached their 300k fundraising target but most of the amount was in the form of pledges, if bohs seriously believe that all even half of that 300k will ever materialize into the form of real money then they are living in the land of OZ thats why maybe they are letting this go through the courts cause they dont have the money.It would be a huge risk to play around with the high court if they could actually afford to pay the players off.
14/01/2011, 12:10 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by osarusan

SkStu, I've a lot of time for you as a poster on here, but I have to say I can't see where you're coming from at all.

The players are owed money, they're legally entitled to that money. Bohs said they didn't have it, and asked the players to wait until a certain date. That date has passed, Bohs now have the money but are refusing to pay. I think 100% percent of the blame in this lies with Bohs, and the players in question feel like they have beeen left with no other option but to play hardball and go to court (It's not hard to understand why they might not put too much faith in Bohs' request that they just wait longer for the money).

As people have said, once you pay these players, the story is over. You have the money to pay them - you admit that they'll eventually get it anyway. Why not just pay them now and save yourselves the hassle and bad publicity?

All very well if it were remotely true
- The two players (Shelley and Gray) set the date not the club. the club indicated it hoped to be in a position to pay all players by the end of January (this, of course remains to be seen)
- the club currently does not have the money to pay off all the players involved - fact. unless you are suggesting they pay off these two to the exclusion of the others your point does not stack up.

- the players are not just seeking wages due but a buyout payment for next season. As they are likely to be unable to comply with the commitments of their contract they have no entitlement to any payoff.

other than that you are 100% correct :rolleyes:
14/01/2011, 12:14 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

- The two players (Shelley and Gray) set the date not the club. the club indicated it hoped to be in a position to pay all players by the end of January (this, of course remains to be seen)

The two players had to set the date because the club consistently didn't meet the agreed date (as in, no wages since 30 November)

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- the club currently does not have the money to pay off all the players involved - fact. unless you are suggesting they pay off these two to the exclusion of the others your point does not stack up.

So how's Paddy Madden being paid? Or do you coincidentally have coming each week only an amount equal to his wages? What about the amount received from the FAI? Or the E300k the club say they've raised? (The possibility here is that what the club are reporting as moneys raised is actually only pledges promised, which as the US Government will tell you are two completely different things).

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- the players are not just seeking wages due but a buyout payment for next season.

I would doubt you could sue for something like that.
14/01/2011, 12:28 PM
Longfordian

You can't sue for money you're not entitled to yet. Unless Bohs unilaterally terminated their contracts then in that case it would be compensation based on future earnings.
14/01/2011, 12:34 PM
Dodge

Spot on. They are suing only for WAGES owed, not for any mythical severance package.
14/01/2011, 12:55 PM
Jicked

also Stu, the players didn't really 'set the date'. Statute did, once it was clear they weren't getting paid and had to go down this route there's a statutory requirement for Bohs to have settled with the creditors within 21 days.
14/01/2011, 1:07 PM
pineapple stu

I suppose you could argue the players set the date by initiating proceedings, but yeah, statute chipped in as well alright.

So, ironically, marinobohs, it seems that "other than that you are 100% correct"
14/01/2011, 1:15 PM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by Longfordian

You can't sue for money you're not entitled to yet. Unless Bohs unilaterally terminated their contracts then in that case it would be compensation based on future earnings.

It depends on whether the option of an extension on Shelley's contract was triggerable by the player or the club. If it required Bohs' consent then Shelley wouldn't be entitled to a claim, but if it was him who could trigger the option then the club would need to make him a reasonable offer of settlement (and the fact the club didn't release him would be circumstantial evidence that they wanted him to stay another year).
14/01/2011, 1:20 PM
pineapple stu

Intro to a post on the Bohs forum about McGuinness -

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Originally Posted by ashbournebohs

Did anyone hear this ***** on the radio this morning.Now i know he is the players rep and has to do the best for them but he blatantly lied this morning stuck the boot into the club and basically encouraged bohs supporters to turn on the board.

Followed by a raft of agreement (not one post challenging this).

Imagine turning on the board. What a ridiculous concept. Sure what have they done to get the club into their current position? It's all the players' fault; everyone knows that.
14/01/2011, 1:31 PM
D.24saint

If the shoe was on the other foot and them jokers on the Bohs forum weren't paid by their jobs they would be whinging and moaning to uncle joe on liveline, Its sad to see fans of clubs being so naive , players want their money thats all they played for Bohs in the first place for they dont care about the clubs history they care about feeding their family's and paying their morgage shocking demands!!
14/01/2011, 1:45 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

All very well if it were remotely true
- The two players (Shelley and Gray) set the date not the club. the club indicated it hoped to be in a position to pay all players by the end of January (this, of course remains to be seen)

The Bohs position in December was

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The Dalymount Park club said they have been in negotiation with players since last month on offers to buy-out existing contracts and added that players were told that it would likely be mid-January 2011 when funds would be in place to back the contract offers.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/1221/bohemians.html

The players were obviously sceptical about this mind-January 'promise', and apparently with good reason
14/01/2011, 1:48 PM
btid1

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Intro to a post on the Bohs forum about McGuinness -

Followed by a raft of agreement (not one post challenging this).

Imagine turning on the board. What a ridiculous concept. Sure what have they done to get the club into their current position? It's all the players' fault; everyone knows that.

You enjoying yourself Stu?Trawling websites of other clubs looking for material to slag them off about.You must have a hell of a lot of time on your hands!

Get a girlfriend or something pal!
14/01/2011, 1:56 PM
Dodge

At least you've moved on from "Bohs are in the right"
14/01/2011, 2:02 PM
btid1

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Originally Posted by Dodge

At least you've moved on from "Bohs are in the right"

Never claimed that.Just questioned the MO of the two boys as compared to the other 8.

Anyway sorry to interrupt your enjoyment of Bohs plight.

Carry on!
14/01/2011, 2:14 PM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

All very well if it were remotely true
- The two players (Shelley and Gray) set the date not the club. the club indicated it hoped to be in a position to pay all players by the end of January (this, of course remains to be seen)
- the club currently does not have the money to pay off all the players involved - fact. unless you are suggesting they pay off these two to the exclusion of the others your point does not stack up.

- the players are not just seeking wages due but a buyout payment for next season. As they are likely to be unable to comply with the commitments of their contract they have no entitlement to any payoff.

other than that you are 100% correct :rolleyes:

That's fair enough, I've been wrong in my post.

But as pointed out, the players can't sue over a buyout of their contract, only for wages owed. That, apparently, is around 4 grand (each, or altogether, I don't know). Are you really telling me Bohs don't have that much to pay these two players and make the winding-up order go away?
14/01/2011, 2:23 PM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by btid1

You enjoying yourself Stu?Trawling websites of other clubs looking for material to slag them off about.You must have a hell of a lot of time on your hands!

Get a girlfriend or something pal!

I don't think you really need to "trawl" to find material.

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