Could Andy Reid play behind the striker instead of Robbie Keane with either Robbie or Kevin Doyle as the main striker.
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Could Andy Reid play behind the striker instead of Robbie Keane with either Robbie or Kevin Doyle as the main striker.
Yes, I think he could and Trap said as much around the time of the Norway game I think. Trap has also said he sees Robbie playing a "Totti style" role.
Reid played eaxctly this role against France in Paris after Morrisson went off injured I think. He was still relatively unknown at Forest at the time and it's not quite comparing like with like as he's a more accomplished player now.
Yes he could. And should.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
If he can play this role then if any one of these players is missing through injury or suspension we still have two quality forwards.
So what do you suggest? Dropping Robbie Keane?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
Keane isn't built to be a lone striker, and he's not going to be dropped.
From reading Trap's comments, it seems to me that Andy Reid is almost cover for Robbie Keane.
:confused: Have you seen him play lately? It's more or less the exact role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splurge
Leaving Andy Reid out of the Irish team is like leaving Deco out of the Portugal team or Xavi or Iniesta out of the Spanish setup. It just makes no sense to me whatsoever.
I've mentioned on here before that Trapattoni, like Jack Charlton in the past, is a manager who believes that the system is more important than individual players. Charlton struggled to fit Liam Brady into his system and Trapattoni usually kept Del Piero on the bench throughout his Italian stewardship. Roberto Baggio struggled to get into his plans as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by FarBeag
Reid is not at the fitness level he should be at for an International footballer. He is fantastic on the ball but Trapp wants a completely different type of midfield player (Andy is no Gattuso!). As for playing him wide I just don't think he has the legs to play in that position without badly exposing the full-backs. Watch any of Reid's 90 minute games in the last campaign and he slows up noticeably in the 2nd half (especially on a big pitch like Croke Park).
Hopefully Trapp will find a way to accommodate him as he's great on the ball but I think Reid may need to work on his physical conditioning first.
why should trap be forced into finding a system, that HE as manager isn't happy playing, to accomodate one player?? is he getting paid to find a system for andy reid? he is getting paid to find a system for the irish TEAM so we can qualify for the world cup. I'm sure he knows a system that andy reid could play in, but he feels its not the right one for the team. at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
people sayin that it's a personal argument don't have a clue. Its a tactical one, and trap is being strong and going with his head which has seen him take 23 titles in world football. you can't argue with his logic either. but it seems we have to find something to complain about. even though is still unbeaten as irish manager.
I'm not saying because of his reputation he is unquestionable,but I am saying he is doing his job.
What is all this hype about andy reid? he is not a worldbeater anyway. He doesn't have the athletic ability to control a game. on his skill yes i do agree he is good when he has the ball, but can he maintain 90 mins of it in Montenegro in 37 degrees celcius, i dont think he can. If andy reid was so good he'd be playing at a bigger club for a longer spell of time. he is by and large in england classed as a championship player. and the reason for this is he drifts out of games, and he isn't reliable. he has too many off days. he is often out of shape and not fit enough to rely on for a season long campaign
i'm not writing this to wind anyone up, i'm just looking at it from a personal view that hasn't been waivered by the scum media. who for no other reason than to sell papers are doing their best to have a go at trap. sensationalist journalism, don't buy into it.
That'll be the litmus test for Andy Reids career under Trapp.. Keanes unavailibilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Interesting point but we are not Portugal or Spain and we are giving away soft/late goals.If and when we sort this out then maybe we can play a more attacking game.Andy has to knuckle down and prove to the manager that he has to be in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by FarBeag
Emmet Malone this morning says that there's a feeling that Andy Reid could have made the Portugal trip as he was tired rather than injured and is paying the price. At least, unlike O'Leary after the Iceland affair, Reid is actually in the squad.
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Originally Posted by EastTerracer
I wouldn't necesserally agree with that, Charlton accomodated Brady by insisting that he play where and in the manner that he was told to or else forget about playing and Brady grudgingly accepted this. Fact is that Brady had been very average for the bulk of Eoin Hand's reign despite being at the peak of his club career at that stage but had a magnificent campaign playing in Charlton's system during the Euro 88 qualifiers.
Outside of that some well made points. It's a slightly different scenario now, my take on it is that Trap still doesn't have complete confidence in our defence, particulalry through the middle and therefore wants extra cover which comes in the form of Whelan. I don't want to drag O'Shea into this after a reasonable performance from him on Saturday (his header at goal aside) but he does have a tendency to lapse in concentration so Whelan is essentially an insurance policy for that. For Andy Reid to play then Stephen Reid would have to sit back more and play the deeper role.
This would leave us with Andy picking out passes in midfield (think of the raking passes he was spraying around against Germany at home last campaign) whereas I think Trap prefers the likes of Stephen driving through midfield, taking the ball forward and laying it off between halfway and the final third which isn't really Andy's game. I would've had both Reid's in my team prior to the Norway game but I don't know at this stage if I'd sacrifice the energy going forward that Stephen has shown since then for the vision and passing that Andy brings. That said I still rate him highly and bringing Miller (a championship player at best) on ahead of him baffled me.
In games where we need to be more positive particulalry at home I'd like to think there's still an opportunity for Andy but Trap's the boss and as long as we keep winning I'll bow to his knowledge.....
ya you might bow but eventually we could end up becoming very boring to watch and people will soon get agitated with this style, personally I wouldn't care.
Reading what Dunne has said and Trap stubborness to progress with Whelan, it sounds as though trap put a serious amount of his own time watching Irelands previous matches, and more importantly where we lost these matches. He came to the conclusion that we make silly mistakes and are never completely assured for the whole 90 mins, given that he knows he needs two defensive minded midfielders to cover the eventuality that this lack of concentration brings. He now plays a midfielder who tackles track backs and makes the simple pass, he needs another to drive through the midfield and pass around and forward, and who will always show and look for the pass, almost as thought he is playing a two game plan, the defenders and backs stick together and do their job defensively, nothing more nothing less, and the wingers and two forwards play their own game when they get it and keep it at that end.
I don't think Reid scores enough goals to play this roleQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I thought of another analogy for the Reid situation - during the 2002 qualifiers, Duff was constantly left out in favour of McAteer and Kilbane - even Gary Kelly was picked ahead of him on the wing. These were very conservative tactics, to leave out one of our most exciting young attacking players - but they worked, as Kilbane gave great protection to Harte, and McAteer worked hard and chipped in with some deserved goals. Undoubtedly, Duff was more talented than Kilbane and McAteer, but he was a victim of tactics. We weren't complaining though, as we were doing well. Duff eventually got into the team out of position up front, because of Quinn's gradual lack of match-fitness. Likewise, if Keane gets injured, Reid will come in.
Reid is at his best in a free role. At the moment, Trap feels that he needs to sort out the defensive side of things - it's been our weakness for the last six years, and while he shores things up, he obviously doesn't want too much 'creative' freedom for our midfielders. If Trap's been watching the DVDs, he'll have noted the Cyprus game in Croker, where Reid was outmuscled and outnumbered in the centre by the Cypriot midfielders. Solidity is what's important for us at the moment.
Igorance at best. He was probably Charlton's best player up until he got injured before Christmas a couple of seasons ago. We then heard he'd be out for the rest of the season and a Charlton website was saying how much they would miss the "inspirational" Reid. The next season in the Championship he was in fine form again and was club captain. Charlton were in 3rd place when he got injured again just before Christmas. It didn't put Keane off signing him and Charlton slipped down to 11th without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by the-blue-harp
When he joined Sunderland last season he was incredibly consistent. He won 15 bonus points in the fantasy football in his 13 games (judged by ex-pro's). The only players to get bonus points at that rate would be the best and most influential midfielders in the league. I would say he's Sunderland's best player more often than not which is incredible in itself. Anyway, you shouldn't need fantasy football bonus points to tell you that Reid has been excellent for years now, bar his time at Spurs. Anyone that followed his career would know that.
He's one of the best passers in the premiership, without a doubt.
Yeah Reid is very highly raited by commentators and pundits in England.
You honestly think that international football is more physically intensive than the Premier League?Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
If you've watched Reid this season, you'd know that he's started every single game and was only taken off once (with a few minutes to go). Whatever people say about his physique, there are ZERO issues with his fitness.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
I've read hacks with no reason to talk Reid up singing his praises to the hilt. He's a rarity in the modern English game, a playmaking midfielder.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
Just on that, Charlton only lost 1 away games when Andy Reid played until he left, after he was gone, they only had 2 more away wins all season!Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Very interesting comments from Trap on Reid, Murphy, Long and Keogh.
The manager also had encouraging words for players who have not yet broken into what is becoming an increasingly settled first XI – including Irish football’s latest cause celebre, Andy Reid.
“I know from when I played football what it’s like to sit on the bench – and I was never happy. Before Wednesday’s game I had on a piece of paper in my pocket three changes I might make during the match – for example Andy Reid for one striker. But I have 30 years’ experience and I knew that if we lost the support that (Robbie) Keane and (Kevin) Doyle were giving to our midfield it might be a problem. I thought also about bringing on (Daryl) Murphy because his style is different. But that’s normal – before every game I write who might come in for someone else but then, on the pitch itself, it’s not always possible to make those changes.
“In future, we will look at other players – maybe in the friendly game against Poland. We might look at (Shane) Long and (Andy) Keogh, say. For that reason it’s very important that the young players, in particular, get games for their clubs.”
I've seen plenty of Andy Reid over the last 5 years or so (going back to his Forest days). He paces himself very well in most games and as a result he can maintain his level of passing and distribution during a game. However, if you ask him to play box-to-box during a game - helping out his defence as well as creating up front - his legs will not last 90 minutes. He showed this in Croke Park last campaign in more than one game. Great skill but the guy is not fit and hasn't been since before he joined Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline
Interesting quote - worth putting in the Trap Quotes thread. Gives a good insight into what he was thinking and it's great that someone saw fit to publish it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
"Stan, what substitutions could you have made?"
"You tell me?"
I'm delighted to hear that Andy Reid is very definitely in his plans. I was a bit worried since he didn't get a run in the past two games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Though I find it very interesting that he keeps talking about Andy Reid playing off another striker. This isn't his usual position. He plays deep in midfield more often than not, taking the ball off the defence and pulling the strings. I still think he'd do very well in that position where he'd be able to pick holes in the defence.
I think he'd play well in that position too. Unfortunately for him, that's Glenn Whelan's position now, and is his to lose, rather than Reid's to gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
It's where he excelled for Charlton, and he's at his best for Sunderland in a five man midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Lads, Reid cannot play deep. He can't tackle and isn't sharp enough off the ball.. Did you see him against City?? I seen that before from him for Ireland and Charlton.
I'd start him if it was me but now it seems Reid is competing with Robbie Keane now for a place in the team.
Pirlo...Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
David Dunn and Reid played together a lot in a 4-4-2. I don't think Dunn is great defensively.
Eh.......... I think he meant Andy Reid...........Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Reid dropped by Sunderland to the bench.
I also see Roy Keane has decided not to criticise Trap over Reid's exclusion from Irelands starting eleven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
"Mr Trapattoni has gone down a certain route with his choice of players and Jesus Christ, with his CV and experience, there's no way I'm going to question him," quipped Keane.
If Steven Reid can play well with David Dunn in a 4-4-2 I think he can do the same with Andy.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
Thank heavens Keane has a bit of respect for someone else besides Whiskey Nose.Quote:
Originally Posted by co. down green
Keane! Is this the same guy who villified Staunton for not having LIAM MILLER:eek: in the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
Maybe the penny has dropped and Keane knows the Irish public have copped on that the only people he slates are those he still holds bitter resentment for over Saipan, McCarthy, the FAI, Given, Staunton, McAteer etc......
Reid only played 23 minutes yesterday and got 1 bonus point in the fantasy football. I think he played a part in both goals.
Reid on bench again for Sunderland with Miller taking his place. The wheels seem to have come off for Andy in the last few weeks. Strange one as he came off the bench for Sunderland last week and changed the game.
Stokes on the bench too, equally puzzling seeing as he scored twice midweek, both from Reid assists
He took a knock in the Northampton game, that's why he's not playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
As for Stokes? He's not even on Keane's radar these days. I would say that the pecking order goes something like this.
1. Cisse
2. Chopra
3. Healy
4. Murphy
5. Stokes
Actually Keane has already said that Clough was by far the best manager he worked under, that must annoy whisky nose :DQuote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
Stokes came on as sub today as did Reid and Murphy. I thought all 3 played poorly. Reid had one great free kick but gave the ball away a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline