because he's sh*t.Quote:
Originally Posted by kezman15
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because he's sh*t.Quote:
Originally Posted by kezman15
Contained the Brazilians and the French OK...Quote:
Originally Posted by kezman15
Ade
Friendlies my friend, friendlies.
I think this has been done and dusted. Hearte looked great when he first went to Spain, but there were a few matches (like the one against Real Madrid) where he was caught with complete lack of pace and little vision.
I thought he should have got a call up when he first started off in Spain but now think Kerr was right.
Taxi for Fergie's Son!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
France was a World Cup qualifier. :p
I don't like the way friendlies are played down whenever it suits an argument, the Brazilians player their best players and there was some excellent defending in that game I seem to remember... Andy O`Brien being one of the most notable players.
Ade
Tazi for Adrianovic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrianovic
Harte wasn't even in the squad for the France game, let alone the team! :p Didn't play against Brazil either!
I think he's better than Maybury, and no worse than O'Shea; thought he was worth a call-up when he moved to Spain, but then I assume Kerr's basing his decision not to call him up on having seen him rather than picking names out of a hat at random, so if Kerr's happy nothaving him in the squad, I'm not going to complain really.
Er...no. Harte didn't play against France in Paris. I was at the match and I can't recall seeing him there :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrianovic
Last time we played the French in WC qualifiers it was in 1986 (I believe, I could be wrong). Harte probably wasn't up to much then but he probably ran faster.
Surely if you were at the match...you'd have been drunk...and not recalling too much! QED! :D You're not gone mad, though...he definitely didn't play. Last time we played France was '89 - Andy Townsend's debut, 0-0 - before that, the '82 qualifers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
Harte isn't good enough. Hes too slow.
Remember ireland vs australia, ireland down 1-0, harte comes off the bench, creates two chances for two goals. Noticed when harte was dropped, ireland went through a form slump......Go the aussies
Since the Australia game, Ireland have only lost once in ten friendlies and four competitive games, including draws against Brazil and France and wins against the Czechs and Romania. That one defeat was against Nigeria two days after playing in Lansdowne with a seriously depleted squad. Hope our slump continues!Quote:
Originally Posted by kezman15
Nuff sed
When kezman15 said "as our defence would struggle to contain a Norwich attack" he meant Australia's defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrianovic
pineapple stu, Fergie's Son: Adrianovic never said Harte played against France, or Brazil for that matter.
thejollyrodger - You must have read the man's name hundreds of times yet you persist in spelling it wrong.
:rolleyes:
Alas, I must correct you back - Adrianovic goes on to state that the France game was a World Cup qualifier - unless Australia played France in a qualifier recently (which they didn't - Confederations Cup in 2001 was the last time they met competitively), he meant Ireland's game with France. Also, he subsequently refers to the Brazil game and Andy O'Brien's performance, which means he was talking about the Irish games. Which means that his original post "Contained the Brazilians and the French OK..." can only have inflected the reference to Harte in Kezman's post, not the Aussies.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Either that, or he wasn't very clear saying what he was saying...! :p
Adrianovic thought kezman was talking about Ireland when he slated the defense, thus stating that we held the French and Brazilian's.
I was right in what I said, Ireland's defence is fit to hold the French and the Brazilians off, France was a World Cup qualifier..... I didn't see where Australia came into it all, only after reading it 3 times have I got that bit. Sorry about that lads.
The initial criticism by Kezman15 concerned Ireland's defence, not the abilities of Ian Harte.
I apologise for sounding a bit pedantic in all of this.
Ade
No apologies necessary. I misunderstood your initial post. Harte still isn't good enough for Ireland though.
Hehe after all that I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
I think he's probably good enough to get into the squad though, I'd just be much happier with Steve Finnan or Josh at left back. I'd like to have a look at Clive Clark one day too.
He's the captain of Stoke at a relatively young age and I've seen him a few times and been impressed. Can play left back, centre back or defensive midfield. Not really better than any of the other options in all honesty, but might be better than Maybury or Harte.
Ade
Clive Clarke will be 25 this year (this month, I think). He has been around for a while with Stoke, having moved there from Ireland. He has been a regular in the Stoke team since 1999.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrianovic
Having seen him play several times at U-21, he only ever looked ordinary. If he had been top drawer, he would have moved from Stoke before now and would have made the breakthrough in the national senior side by now. I think he only played in the Unity Cup last summer because of injuries.
No doubt he is a good club pro at Stoke and is playing in a league where he is good enough for the standard. Unfortunately he is not top flight and certainly not the answer to our left back problem.
Although he is a right sided player, our brightest young prospect as a full back is Stephen Kelly of Tottenham.
Ah, a completely different meaning again! I assumed that seeing as Kezman had been talking about Australia, that's who he meant by "our", hence the confusion. Ah well! Sorry 'bout that... As Adrianovic said, though, doesn't change the points made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrianovic
Harte hasn't even made the bench for Levante's last two matches. Anyone know why? Is he injured, suspended or dropped?
I think he's suspended. He's picked up a good few yellow cards since the season started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin77
Fair enough. I thought they might have realised why Leeds got rid of him!
He got injured in the warm up for the Valencia game, that's why he missed that one anyway
Yeah, he's been injured for the last few weeks... according to this article, he won't be an option either way for the Portugal match: more
HARTE TO GO UNDER THE KNIFEQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevin77
Former Leeds defender Ian Harte, now
with Spanish club Levante, will be out
of action for the next six weeks after
being told he needs surgery on a groin
injury.
The defender, who sustained the injury
in December, will undergo the operation
in Manchester tomorrow.
'He has already had surgery on this
area which makes it easy and it will be
similar to treating a hernia,' said
Levants doctor Josen Nebot.
Harte will therefore be unavailable for
Ireland's friendly with Portugal on
February 9.
Agree :)Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
He didn't even make the warm up. I can vouch that he didn't even travel on the team bus to the Metsalla stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Superhoops... That's a very narrow minded assessment of a players potential.
There are plenty of players, especially defenders, who don't taste premiership football until their mid 20's, but greatly benifit from consistent football for extended periods in the lower divisions..
Steve Finnan springs to mind imediately. And Cunningham wasn't far off 25 when he left Millwall if memory serves me correct.
I have been aware of Clarke since Liverpool reportedly showed an interest in him as a teen. And as regards a move to the top flight, in the independant on Sunday he said that he turned down a move to Sunderland a couple of Seasons ago because he felt he'd get more football at Stoke due to Micheal Grey's presence at the club. I've not seen much of him as a player but it's fair to say that there isn't many defenders at his age with as much first team football to show for it. I believe he'll leave Stoke sooner rather than later judging by his tone in the interview.
I hope you are right and that he does blossom.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
However Clarke's own comment about Michael Grey at Sunderland says it all. If Clarke did not believe he was better than Grey and would not get into the team ahead of Grey, then he can hardly have had confidence in his own ability.
He would probably do a steady enough job for us at senior level but I fear his lack of experience against quality wide players would find him out when it matters.
BTW, I think that you will find that Kenny Cunningham was 23 when he left Millwall for Wimbledon.
Ian Harte
Good at free-kicks?... without a doubt
Worth a risk at left midfield? perhaps
A good international left-back?......em NO ! :D
Do football fans look for bandwagons? I never heard one good word uttered about Ian Harte in all the years that he played for Ireland - and he's been around the squad for a long time - apart from the mandatory bit at the end about his free kick ability. The bloke gets dropped when the manager who seemed to pride himself on getting poor players to raise their game slightly instead of just picking better ones gets sacked. Now people are calling for Harte's return. Unbelievable. Then again, there's no point having a mind if you don't change it but what has Harte done to merit inclusion? Very little. What had he done previously to merit being dropped? Well, his lack of defending skills for one thing. It's great when he scores the odd free kick but that will never compensate for his defensive failings. Surely a defender should be chosen primarily for his ability to defend? For our ability to change like the wind, football fans put politicians in the shade.
The recurring theme on this and similar message boards is that people love to have a cause. And the more the better. Harte in, Harte out, select Clarke, Miller is the next big thing, Miller is the antichrist etc. People love to be the one to say told you so. They love to be the first to alert their mates to a players potential hence the clamour for players inclusion prior to proving their credentials.
Basically a lot of it is ill informed and based on what people have heard or read often a long time ago. For example, some people are clamouring for Clarke’s inclusion as a left back in a senior squad. In my opinion, the reality is as follows. Clarke used to play at left back, but as far as I’m aware has been playing central midfield for the past 18 months. Clarke is also playing for Stoke City in the First Division! Stoke City! He hasn’t even played a Premier League match. He’s also 24 or 25. Not 19 or 20. Maybe he’s worth a look? But in all reality, O’Shea is the incumbent, Finnan can do a job there as can Maybury. So at best, he might be fourth choice…if he was playing regularly at club level as a left back. Personally, I’d probably still have Gary Kelly or Jeff Kenna above him purely based on their level of experience.
Don't get me wrong lads!! I wasn't advocating the inclusion of Clive Clarke in senior squads, i was just saying that it's unfair to write him off as a future option just because he hasn't played at the top flight yet. He's just turned 25 (today in fact if the bio i just read is to be believed) Like I said, there's many a good servant to the Irish team that didn't mature until into their twenties.
I understand where you are coming from and it's good to keep the options open and discuss potential. I think the reality is though that players like Clarke won't get near starting a competitive international unless they are playing regularly in the Premier League (or top division in comparable League) or setting the world on fire in a lower division as long as we have enough players of the required standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
We are in a very strong position at the moment in terms of strength in depth relative to our population
Clarke played 45 mins at LB in the Unity Cup and looked twice the player Maybury is.
I wouldn't write the guy off yet either and would like to see more of him.
And O'Shea for that matter. :) Its getting quite worrying tbh, Harte is the only player we have that is playing at left back for his club and we've only a few left backs playing in the lower ranks in the premiership. O'Shea is now playing at centre half for the cup side's, Clarke is playing the holding role in midfield and Maybury is switching from right back to left back all the time. I wonder where he'll be playing for Leicester.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
i found an unfortunate highlight demonstrating some woeful defeding by harte on beckham of all people. it's here towards the bottom (real 5 levante 0), it downloads a zip file which you then have to etc.
http://www.footballextra.com/index.p...erjari/2004_49
decent goals site incidentally but look just at harte, jaysis!! :(
Clarke played at left back for Stoke last night and Kerr was at the match. Didn't see the match so don't know if he played well.
http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrosst...p?newsid=15602Quote:
Sunderland are said to be readying a January transfer move for Stoke City captain Clive Clarke.
Clarke, who made his senior international debut for Ireland against Jamaica last summer, has been playing in midfield for Stoke in recent times but made his name as a stylish left back.
He has graduated to the captaincy at the Britannia Stadium and is seen as a key player in Tony Pulis’s squad, which is bidding to challenge for a play-off place in the Coca-Cola Championship division this season.
According to tabloid newspaper reports over the past number of days, Sunderland manager Mick McCarthy is believed to be interested in making a £400,000 move for Clarke, who has missed just one game for the Potters this season.