Is Ronaldo the best in the world?

Ronaldo this season:

Ronaldo scored 5 goals from penalties:
- against Derby, Everton and Arsenal in the league
- against Spurs in the FA Cup
- against Dynamo Kiev in the Champs League

Scored 5 from free-kicks:
- against Sporting in the Champs League
- against Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton and Newcastle in the league.

So 28 of his 38 goals came from open play.

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Originally Posted by cartman

because junior is a pleb.. its not an insult... its a fact..;)

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Do you even know what a plebian is?

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

Do you even know what a plebian is?

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plebian??? never mentioned plebian...
i said pleb ;)

and now i ask you do you know what an andy capp is??

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Originally Posted by cartman

and now i ask you do you know what an andy capp is??

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A wife beating drunk

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Originally Posted by Roadend

A wife beating drunk

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Have you seen the cut of his wife? You'd be a wife beating drunk in that instance too I'd wager :)

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

Ronaldo this season:

Ronaldo scored 5 goals from penalties:
- against Derby, Everton and Arsenal in the league
- against Spurs in the FA Cup
- against Dynamo Kiev in the Champs League

Scored 5 from free-kicks:
- against Sporting in the Champs League
- against Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton and Newcastle in the league.

So 28 of his 38 goals came from open play.

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Out of the hundreds of free kicks he's taken within scoring distance, 5 have gone in and the other 99% have left an imprint in the nuts of the players in the wall - some record.

I'd bet Hargreaves has a much better shots to goals ratios from free kicks

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Originally Posted by lionelhutz

Out of the hundreds of free kicks he's taken within scoring distance, 5 have gone in and the other 99% have left an imprint in the nuts of the players in the wall - some record.

I'd bet Hargreaves has a much better shots to goals ratios from free kicks

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I'm not a massive Ronaldo fan but I think that's a very unfair comment. Before this season his free kicks were generally extremely poor and almost always hit the wall but they have improved remarkably this season. To score five free kicks in a season is IMO excellent. There aren't many players who would do much better (even Beckham didn't usually score much more than that) and he is now one of the best at taking direct free kicks.

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Originally Posted by lionelhutz

Out of the hundreds of free kicks he's taken within scoring distance, 5 have gone in and the other 99% have left an imprint in the nuts of the players in the wall - some record.

I'd bet Hargreaves has a much better shots to goals ratios from free kicks

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He can't win. Uninformed posters claim he only scores from penalties and free kicks and when I point out that actually 28 of his goals came from open play this season....now we get comments about how ****e he is at free kicks??!! :confused:

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Originally Posted by cartman

plebian??? never mentioned plebian...
i said pleb ;)

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Thanks for illustrating my point perfectly.

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and now i ask you do you know what an andy capp is??

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Read the strip every day. I don't know if thats supposed to be funny, if it is I'd say leave the non-sequitor cultural references to Family Guy. Stick to buffoonery.

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

To score five free kicks in a season is IMO excellent. There aren't many players who would do much better (even Beckham didn't usually score much more than that) and he is now one of the best at taking direct free kicks.

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Pfft....George has 2 in 8 games ;)

how did the worlds greatest player get on against blackburn saturday?? was he playing???

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Originally Posted by cartman

how did the worlds greatest player get on against blackburn saturday?? was he playing???

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He was, the usual footballing contradiction, hit the post with a superb shot and then did the usual disgraceful dive in the box.

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Originally Posted by razor

He was, the usual footballing contradiction, hit the post with a superb shot and then did the usual disgraceful dive in the box.

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That diving S..t really annoys me. Watched a super doc last week called 'Football's gone soft'. Souness would have ended Ronaldo's career, had they played in the same era.. The bloke's a sissy girl..

As a neutral I hope Wednesdays match lives up to its billing.How fit will Messi be?Another draw for Barca against Espanyol on Sat.Zambrotta is a capable defender so Ronaldo will have to be on his game but it will be fascinating.

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

from the football ive seen players like platini, zidane, rui costa, maradonna, and yes our own lads mcgrath and keane could be called world class. they did it year in year out and also performed at major tournaments. ronaldo is a very good player but best in the world? i doubt it. its one thing doing it against villa or fulham but look how poor he was in the cl semi final last year v milan when he came up against top quality opposition. i actually think torres, fabregas, messi and kaka are currently better players and im sure there are others out there that i dont see regularly

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just had to get a comment in lads,im a liverpool fan myself so it hurts me to say it but lets be honest ronaldo is on fire at the monent but he will have to do it for another few years before he will be world class,but the real reason im writing is im astonished that with all the legends of the game that have been mentioned as in above the best player to every put on boots wasnt....romario.....the man is a god look at his record 1226 games 1002 goals i know they were not all at the top level but a lot were even the great maradona is quoted as saying he was the best finisher he has ever seen and he would have him in his dream 11 you cant get much higher praise than that

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Originally Posted by the sparks

just had to get a comment in lads,im a liverpool fan myself so it hurts me to say it but lets be honest ronaldo is on fire at the monent but he will have to do it for another few years before he will be world class,but the real reason im writing is im astonished that with all the legends of the game that have been mentioned as in above the best player to every put on boots wasnt....romario.....the man is a god look at his record 1226 games 1002 goals i know they were not all at the top level but a lot were even the great maradona is quoted as saying he was the best finisher he has ever seen and he would have him in his dream 11 you cant get much higher praise than that

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Big Ronaldo was better.... :D

I do believe Messi is giving us our answer tonight fellas :)

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Originally Posted by jebus

I do believe Messi is giving us our answer tonight fellas :)

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Seconded..and Im a United fan...:o

Its harsh to compare them on tonight given the amount of possesion Barca have had and how poor all United players have been.

Saying that Ive always thought Messi was the better player.

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Originally Posted by micls

Its harsh to compare them on tonight given the amount of possesion Barca have had and how poor all United players have been.

Saying that Ive always thought Messi was the better player.

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It is but you have to take into account Messi's overall play in general against Ronaldo's overall play. Say Messi gets hit with a hard tackle, he either shrugs it off or gets up and gets on with it, with Ronaldo you get the theatrics on the floor. With Messi he looks a danger attacking the goal himself, or running down the wing and getting the ball into the box, with Ronaldo I still don't think he's a great crosser of the ball. He's better in pretty much every way, even after a lenghty lay off

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Originally Posted by jebus

It is but you have to take into account Messi's overall play in general against Ronaldo's overall play. Say Messi gets hit with a hard tackle, he either shrugs it off or gets up and gets on with it, with Ronaldo you get the theatrics on the floor. With Messi he looks a danger attacking the goal himself, or running down the wing and getting the ball into the box, with Ronaldo I still don't think he's a great crosser of the ball. He's better in pretty much every way, even after a lenghty lay off

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I completely agree with you, I just dont think the one game face off that the tabloids have been building it up is the way to compare players.

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Originally Posted by micls

I completely agree with you, I just dont think the one game face off that the tabloids have been building it up is the way to compare players.

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It's not, but I do dislike Ronaldo immensely so I'll be crowing about it tomorrow :D

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Originally Posted by Pike B

That diving S..t really annoys me. Watched a super doc last week called 'Football's gone soft'. Souness would have ended Ronaldo's career, had they played in the same era.. The bloke's a sissy girl..

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bit fond of going down the odd occasion ,, the annoying part is you then see him being brave to score a great headed goal against roma .. will add he is not the only one who could be called a sissy girl did you see his big sisters last night drogba the no 1 diver around / torres and even captain fantastic stevie gee to name a few .. unfortunatly it is part of the modern game and looks like their managers are not doing enough to stamp it out
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Originally Posted by Dunny2K7

Seconded..and Im a United fan...:o

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even ya ya toure was streets ahead of ronaldo tonigh :D:D

On tonights evidence...........NO!

Paul Scholes, Xavi and Messi looked like orld beaters tonight. Where as Ronaldo looked like a relegation candidate with Derby.

too many people too quick to judge a man on one performance. i hate ronaldo but cannot tell if a player is the best in the world on one bad performances

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Originally Posted by celticV3

too many people too quick to judge a man on one performance. i hate ronaldo but cannot tell if a player is the best in the world on one bad performances

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i thought it was a splendid performance by ronaldo tonight :rolleyes: - just as good as he was against arsenal...
whats that he has contributed in those two huge games - 1 penalty scored and 1 penalty missed... a lot of arms flailing about complaining and bitching at refs and teammates - and very little skill, effort, enthusiasm or any sort of workrate at all...
more huge games to come for united - and it will be more of the same from their golden boy... without scholes and ferdinand tonight united's dreams would be over..i mean is anyone shocked at all that he contributed nothing positively again to united's cause tonight?? even his diehard supporters have to give it a rest now...
seriously, who was crazy enough to start a thread asking if this clown is the best player in the world???

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Originally Posted by jebus

It is but you have to take into account Messi's overall play in general against Ronaldo's overall play. Say Messi gets hit with a hard tackle, he either shrugs it off or gets up and gets on with it, with Ronaldo you get the theatrics on the floor. With Messi he looks a danger attacking the goal himself, or running down the wing and getting the ball into the box, with Ronaldo I still don't think he's a great crosser of the ball. He's better in pretty much every way, even after a lenghty lay off

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Yup, fully agree with that, I also think he has a much better footballing brain than Ronaldo, takes a player on at the right time, makes the simple pass at the right time, he always chooses the high percentage play whilst with Ronaldo I think he is more likely to go for the spectacular just for the glory of it, its all about making himself look good, winning is secondary

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Originally Posted by Morbo

Yup, fully agree with that, I also think he has a much better footballing brain than Ronaldo, takes a player on at the right time, makes the simple pass at the right time, he always chooses the high percentage play whilst with Ronaldo I think he is more likely to go for the spectacular just for the glory of it, its all about making himself look good, winning is secondary

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Ronaldo is better in the air, and gets more goals. Everywhere else Messi is better.

would you say Messi is quicker than Ronaldo?

Over first five yards no doubt. Henry said recently he never saw anyone quicker than Leo over the first 5. Over distance Ronaldo.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

would you say Messi is quicker than Ronaldo?

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At running or at falling to the ground?

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

would you say Messi is quicker than Ronaldo?

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over 20 yards - ronaldo is quicker..
over 5 yards - id say messi is as quick as him

but the big thing is in a game situation when theres very little space to go past players [like last night with united having a 10 man defence] messi can burst past players in tight spaces because of his pace and unbelievalble ball control..kaka would be very similar in that regard too..
as for ronaldo, i just don't think hes capable of that.. hes needs space to run into behind the defenders to hurt a team.. i dont think he has a patch of the ball skills of messi/kaka in close quarters with loads of defenders around him..
because of this i'd liken ronaldo more to kevin kilbane than messi.. its just hes a few yards quicker than kilbane :)

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Originally Posted by cartman

over 20 yards - ronaldo is quicker..
over 5 yards - id say messi is as quick as him

but the big thing is in a game situation when theres very little space to go past players [like last night with united having a 10 man defence] messi can burst past players in tight spaces because of his pace and unbelievalble ball control..kaka would be very similar in that regard too..
as for ronaldo, i just don't think hes capable of that.. hes needs space to run into behind the defenders to hurt a team.. i dont think he has a patch of the ball skills of messi/kaka in close quarters with loads of defenders around him..
because of this i'd liken ronaldo more to kevin kilbane than messi.. its just hes a few yards quicker than kilbane :)

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I agreed with everything you said until the Kilbane bit...

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Originally Posted by cartman

because of this i'd liken ronaldo more to kevin kilbane than messi.. its just hes a few yards quicker than kilbane :)

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POTM Nomination? Thats funny...............

I'd have Messi, Kaka and Torres ahead of the Ladyboy CRonaldo.

For me, Ronblado just hasnt done it on the biggest stage to be considered the best yet, he has been the form player this year, but wont be "The Best" until he produces consistently at the highest level.

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Originally Posted by colin10

id personally much prefer to be quicker over 20 yards than quicker over 5 yards

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And what if the defender is equally as quick? The advantage of being quick over a short distance is that you are taking on the defender while he isn't moving and catching him flat footed. I don't think Ronaldo would have as much success in La Liga as in the Premiership as in Spain the defences sit more deep, leaving less space in behind. It's why Torres went from only scoring aroun 15 a season in Spain to 20+ in England.

In the last week, I've noticed more than ever, that he doesn't do it in the big games.

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Originally Posted by colin10

he was united best player by a distance in the first half in barca and was on the bench yesterday

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:eek: What game were you watching? He was anonymous.