Aussies payed Hiddink's entire wages from a businessman's donation. Hopefully more money will come into Irish football from those with deep pockets such as O'Brien.
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Aussies payed Hiddink's entire wages from a businessman's donation. Hopefully more money will come into Irish football from those with deep pockets such as O'Brien.
That doesn't mean faiLURE should have sold out to a corporate money machine.
Your user name is the least apt I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
How much do you know about modern day football??:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
Sorry but I fail to see any positive in this.
Surely the FAI part should have been in capitals not the lure? Now where did i put my pedantic cap.....:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by half_full
Half Full, if you dont get money from Private business how else are you meant to get it then. If you get it from the state, you are getting tax payers money and that includes people who are not interested in footballing paying towards football. Now if you arguing for a socialist state and if so fair enough. However we live in a neo capitalist state so the only way that that a Sporting agency can survive is a mixture of grants from the government, sponsorship and in this case money put in by private individuals who have made loads of money and are football fans.
Yep, they should turn their back on Eircom sponsorship, advertising rights in the stadium etc. etc lest they be accused of selling out to a coporate money machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
Well done to the faiLURE as you call them - by that I assume you mean the FAI have LURE(d) 1 million of money per annum in to the game that otherwise would have stayed in a tax shelter.
I think the tip should be for you sir, don't use irony on a internet forum as it very rarely works as Irony is to do with tone etc something that can only be got across in person and not in writing, especially when we don't know each others personalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanner
Neil is available for parties..........:DQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Bill if you read another thread I through out the invitation to Trap he can stay in my house on a Friday night after a match before he heads over to England. So unfortunately the invitation is only for Trap. :)
My point is that donations of this kind should not be accepted in sport. No problem with (a bit of) advertising.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I think its a great thing getting all these rich fat cats to sorts out problems for us. The FAI should use this method more strategically to their advantage. They should come out publically talking up Denis O Brien as a hero, their knight in shining armour and pour scorn on the other millionaires claiming that they're a disgrace to their country and a shower of mean b***ards because they wouldn't help out the poor lads in the FAI.
All these ultra rich property developers will be embarrassed (and of course they wouldn't be as financially secure as they are if they weren't a bit competitive) and start throwing millions at the FAI and hey presto - New Lansdowne paid for.
So If I was a multi millionaire and I wanted to put a million euro into Waterford, you would argue no. Even if it was a no strings donation.Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
There are plenty of us here that think O'Brien is dodgy (myself included) and that it's a PR stunt, but I'm still happy for the FAI to accept his money. It ain't perfect, but I don't think we can afford not to accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
My only point on this thread is that it doesn't make him a great Irishman or a hero and he shouldn't be lauded as one. That's not begrudgery it's just an honest opinion. (See my first post for boring reasons why.) There are lots of great Irish heroes in all walks of life from all kinds of different backgrounds and I'll happily cheer any of them but O'Brien ain't one of them.
I would have reservations, we do OK financially as it is. We have been almost ruined by business men coming along with money. The Bohs way is the best IMO, 100% supporter ownership.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
well said tblade.
Did you graduate from the Fisher Price School of Philanthrophy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
tblade said this, which is exactly the opposite of what you've been saying all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
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Originally Posted by tblade
No. I failed miserably in my final year project of seducing Sean Quinn into giving me 10 million euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
In fairness, Advertising is probably much more insidious than a no strings attached donation. And yes I agree that in a perfect world, all athletes would be able to earn their keep without needing to rely on multimillion donations from various people. Unfortunately, that world doesn't exist, and people like Owen Heary and Eamon Zayed still need to get paid and that money has to come from somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
In my opinion, there are two main problems with the money coming from O'Brien:
1) There is a strong (although admittedly as yet unproven) that the money he earned came in part as a result of bribing politicians, which shouldn't be acceptable anywhere.
2) Tony O'Donohue claimed that O'Brien was getting more regular updates than some members of the board of management. If true, then that should be a serious cause for concern. Surely he should just have said something like "Here lads, money's on the table, give me a bell when you pick someone and I'll sign the cheque." There was no need for him to be kept informed about who was being approached or when. Its unfortunately extremely conceivable that this inside information could have been easily used to more than recoup the cost of his "investment". maybe I'm just a cynical b**tard though.
As for the tax avoidance, I strangely have no problem with that. Given how the country was being run back then, any tax he did pay probably would have been wasted anyway, and I presume he at least paid some tax on it in portugal at least.
Anyway, rant over.
Cheers
Ps My first post. Hi everyone.
Tax Avoidance is an encouraged lawful practice. "He who would slight my dog, would buy my dog"!!
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Originally Posted by Quickfire
Point 1 has not been proved so until it is it is irrelevant and point two was just said by T'O'D who is a bitter little man and has thrown his toys out of the pram in the last 6 months. He has been totally over the top. Anybody who watched the Press Conference live and in full would see that he went straight in about the O Brien money. He did not ask any football questions whatsoever. He was bitter the way he was treated over the Staunton sacking and because he could not attack the appointment of the manager he went for the O Brien money. I would not trust anything that comes from his mouth anymore.
I can't believe some of the nonsense here. Who cares where the money came from? Anyone as succesful as O'Brien has bended the rules somewhere along the way. Look at our beloved Taoiseach for christ sake!
Here we have an Irish businessman pumping money into Irish football. Not Sunderland or Carlisle or Peterborough or Man Utd! Ireland.
This means we can pay for a world class manager and still have money left over to promote the game at grass roots level.
Fair play to O'Brien!
I get the impression that if the FAI had disclosed that Denis O'Brien had offered them 1 million euros to pay the wages of a the new manager, but they felt they could not accept it on a number of professional levels then people here would be complaining that they didn't accept the money to get a world class manager.
Neil, i enjoy reading TODs articles. I dont think he is too bitter to be honest. You have that love-hate relationship with him.
welcome quickfire!
Don't think there is much love to be honest. I have watched him now over the last 6 months and I find him unbearable. I normally dont see him on TV after the Ireland games as I am usually there etc. But the whole Staunton sacking he was sickening and he has been sickening on this issue too. THe press conference yesterday was a disgrace from the press. Not one of the press corp said fair play to the 3 lads for delivering a top manager. A good few of them went straight for the negatives. T'O'D articles are a lot more toned down then his reporting and they are usually more blanced but on Television he has been a joke of late.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
with o brien getting updates from delaney all the time.
do you think perhaps he took some of his inside information to betfair with him ;)
Stuck over in England at the moment, so can't see the live rte streams anymore. :( But there have been a lot of rants on these pages about the incredible betting market on the new manager, and I think its inappropriate if O'Brien had access to extra information that could influence that market.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Fantastic appointment though.
you can see those conferences the same way as you see the streams at home, it streams abroad, only matches dont....but i know a way round that for the UK.
Ive tried getting a few things on rte, and they all keep blocking. I can access just the selected clips they release from 6-one, but thats about it.I didnt try to get the conference because i assumed it would block.
Would be useful to get aound
They wouldn't have dared do that had Trap been there himself, they were like a gang of schoolkids with a weak teacher in front of them. I'm beginning to understand why Houghton had previously said that the press were worse here then they are in the UK, we really do have a gang of social inadequates writing Sports over here with a couple of honourable exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Spot on Drumcondra, even when they were jostling for position during the live feed (before the top table came out) was like a bunch of ill behaved school kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
to assume, makes an ass out of u and me. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Quickfire
The only things that dont stream live, are GAA games, rugby matches, and soccer matches ( not EL games, they do screen live ). I watched the news last night for example, the 9 oclock one, livey live. All things that aren't breaking broadcasting rights i.e. sports games, will be available throughout the world - well maybe not china....
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Originally Posted by Quickfire
enjoyQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Herald's headlines. eircom not renewing sponsorship deal, because of O'Brien
Ooooh **** no Eircom Irish football will be ruined. ha ha, Jesus got help the Herald.
Seriously? No more "Republic of Ireland sponsored by Eircom" then. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Its the herald, probably bull$hit
The backlash over Very Tennables has started already. We're a sad little country at times we really are. The first genuinely brilliant appointment we've had and the journalists focus on an aside. A joke. We don't deserve this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
We do we deserve it, just some of us dont