There were some interesting logistical factors in play there, not so much tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
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There were some interesting logistical factors in play there, not so much tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Stan was more of Dad's Army tactician, willing but not quite able for the reality but thought he was.
slightly off topicQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
Not wanting to sound like a nerd but could never understand the claims of Montgomery and Mongomery supporters that he was a great general
He had more men, in long prepared defensive conditions, air superiority, the lay of the land meant there was only one way for Rommel to go at El Alamain, and Rommels supply lines were stretched to the limit.
The German codes were broken so they knew the time as well. Baldrick could have won that battle
I wouldn't be a big Monty fan and as you say this is not the place to discuss it but in his defence, he turned an army that had lost, and lost again, in to a winning one by organisation and superiority in all aspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newryrep
Don't forget the Allies had superiority over the Germans in 1940 and see what happened then. Logistical superiority doesn't necessarily = victory.
can't wait till these lads get on to Berlin....the Downfall
Great film :p Could make a similar one about Stan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
Latest news is that he is to be manager of Darlington (bottom of League 2). Im impressed he got this job.Our last 2 managers are now managing Darlington and the Faroe Islands
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Originally Posted by cavan_fan
:D
Still punching above their weight.
New manager of Darlington. Just saw it on Football 365. He's clearly desperate for a job, they're bottom of League Two with 2 points so far.
so if they get relegated will he blame that on the media and say that the fans all thought he did a great job???
This must be his last make or break chance at football management.
I hope it works out for him.
Its where he should have started his management career, at the bottom of the ladder and go from there.
I hope it works out for him, great player for us over the years.
Even though he waited to get sacked and get compo from the Irish job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Lucky Darlington, by the end of Stans 'four year plan', i fully expect them tpo be in the Premiership. Shame on the FAI for not letting him do his fantastic 4 year plan
He deserves a chance. Not an international job, but a means of working with players every day and learning the job. At least with the bottom side in league 2, the only way is up.
don't harbour any ill will towards him, I blame Delaney far more than Stan for his reign
best of luck with the Quakers
I hope he does well. Good luck to him. He was just way out of his depth when it came to managing an international side.
100% agree with this. Good luck to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Hopefully it might help him and us to forget about his first 2 years in "management".
Well, he is starting where all managers should start, and seeing as I have drawn a veil over his life since the end of his excellent playing career, good luck to him in the new job. Hopefuly he'll meet no-one toting a fake gun tonight.
Ehm no. Fans of Chester, Luton, Wrexham, Mansfield, Boston, Rushden, Oxford, Kidderminster and Cambridge might have something to say about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by twoenz
Yes. As Tets pointed out, Delaney should never have appointed him and Stan should never have taken the job. Doesnt mean I dont want him to succeed in management, Id be delighted if he went on to become a great manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
yeah absolutely agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
All the best to the man
The Stan era was comedy gold. Looking back on it makes me laugh, good luck to him
Hopefully he does well there and can retake the reigns for Brazil 2014 when Trap steps down and finishes the job he started.....
.....dragging us into the International footballing abyss.
ah what great days though. Comedy nuggets such as Alan O'Brien, Joe Lapira, Stephen Ireland's granny, Cyprus, Stan's attempts at interviews and my own personal fav, San Marino.
We shan't see the like of it again.
you missed "Im the gaffer" .....
I think his best one was some idiotic comment he made about San Marino being difficult to beat in February or something like that, cant remember exactly
Best of luck to Stan.
He was a decent player who served his country well 102 times and in 3 World Cups.
He was a disaster as manager and should have walked long before he was pushed. However I still wish him luck.
He fleeced Irish football out of millions for a job he was never qualified to take, then he never even tried once in the job, and finally when his position was completely untenable he refused to walk away without a massive pay-off, despite being not being short of a few bob after a career with Liverpool and Aston Villa. Then after he left he was completely unrepentant. I certainly don't wish him any luck, I'll save my good thoughts for Darlington fans who are now guaranteed to be doomed to the Conference.
I don't think the bolded bit is fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
I was a huge critic of Stan when he first took over the ROI team. Basically because of his inexperience. I sincerely hope he does well at Darlington and goes on to have a long career as a manager. He was a great servant in his playing days and it shouldn't be forgotten.
Why not?Quote:
I don't think the bolded bit is fair.
His teams were woefully unprepared, to the point of hilarity, he took no time to actually consider the tactical side of things, from day one he very clearly had a problem with dealing with the press yet did nothing to improve his communication, his squad selections were lazy and based on what 3rd parties had to say (who usually had quite an obvious vested interest in a player's selection) and he achieved the most spectacularly awful performances in our history and across Europe in those qualifiers and did nothing to correct them (even explaining away San Marino as a good result), he got embroiled in a massive scandal thanks to Stephen Ireland's lies re: Grannygate and the entire thing seemed to play out over his head.
For me that's not someone working hard at his job.
He stated that San Marino would now be a handful for other teams in the group and they proved to be exactly that when they followed our result with a series of severe drubbings against the better teams in the group. What a tool that man was.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
Couldn't agree moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
KOH
Lack of ability and inexperience explain all of that (well, what little which needs explanation - "he took no time to actually consider the tactical side of things" is libellous speculation) without resorting to casting any aspersions on the man's work ethic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
he finished his coaching qualifications while in charge of the national side, hardly taking no time to consider the tactical side of thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
Drubbings at home?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
I wouldn't call two subsequent single goal defeats to Cyprus and Wales, a drubbing. The Slovaks gave them a drubbing of sorts but the Czechs struggled to hit more than 2 goals.
He was out of his depth. However I don't blame him for taking the job.
Who wouldn't fancy themselves if told we think you are the right man for the job? He shouldn't have got the job.
By waiting for the big payoff he did damage his credibility.
Ah Geysir what you convienently chose to ignore in your smug retort was those all important words I used deliberately - the better teams. Neither Wales nor Cyprus could be quantified by anyone as one of the better teams in our group considering they finished 5th and 6th respectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
As for the better teams I alluded to - The Slovaks gave them a drubbing not of sorts but a 5-0 one which is a severe, bummed up the ar*e and left with a lifelong limp, 100% drubbing. The Czechs also beat them 3-0 another hammering. Also the Slovaks beat them 7-0 at home straight after us and Germany hit 6 against them in their fixture but we'll let San Marino away with those because they were playing away.
Smug retort?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Do you have thin skin?
It's way past the time for you to mature and take a retort on it's factual merit without squealing like a puppy.
3 out of the 4 teams who went there after us struggled, the Czechs limp display included.