Mick McCarthy

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Originally Posted by stojkovic

Drumcrondra69 - am I not allowed to support more than one team. I am a season ticket holder at a Dublin eL club, go to every Ireland game and I also support Liverpool. I also follow football all over the World (like most people). Like wanks, you have some good ones and some bad. Is that ok with YOU ?

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Course you are mate. 2 things though,

1) It was a light hearted reply aimed at someone else who'd called me a 'sorry ass Liverpool fan' for daring to criticise Royston which was a pretty brainless assumption.

2) What's a bad ****?? :D

Btw at no stage have I suggested or would be in favour of McCarthy coming back, I just have issues with teh way his term in charge has been rewritten. Fact is he's our second most sucessful manager ever, if anyone thinks otherwise they're obviously a moron.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

Now McCarthy seems like a decent and honourable man but is nothing more than an ok manager for championship level but we desperately need a fresh face that will not guarantee old pals like Keane and Kilbane their places every game...the Irish team needs a shake-up and we're not going to get that by bringing back the ghosts of Saipan...

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Hmm, got Millwall to the play offs and had them top of the league when he left. Got Sunderland to the play offs and won the Championship teh following season. Got Wolves to the play offs. I get what you mean but that would suggest he'd an excellent manager at Championship level or at the very least something a lot more then ok.

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Hmm, got Millwall to the play offs and had them top of the league when he left. Got Sunderland to the play offs and won the Championship teh following season. Got Wolves to the play offs. I get what you mean but that would suggest he'd an excellent manager at Championship level or at the very least something a lot more then ok.

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ok i'll meet you halfway...hows about he's a good championship manager then? :)

still don't want him though...

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Originally Posted by Jacktheman

Mc Carthy has great experenice in being captain in a world cup and the last manager to get us to the finals he know the irish sprit - unlike some people who have been mention for the job.

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sounds very familiar...

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

sounds very familiar...

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no the beloved Roy never captained Ireland in a world cup ;)

:eek::p

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Originally Posted by Saint Tom

no the beloved Roy never captained Ireland in a world cup ;)

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Originally Posted by Saint Tom

no the beloved Roy never captained Ireland in a world cup ;)

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STAN!

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

ok i'll meet you halfway...hows about he's a good championship manager then? :)

still don't want him though...

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Have we sank so low that we are looking for candidates who are good at computer games? :rolleyes: :eek:

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Course you are mate. 2 things though,

1) It was a light hearted reply aimed at someone else who'd called me a 'sorry ass Liverpool fan' for daring to criticise Royston which was a pretty brainless assumption.

2) What's a bad ****?? :D

Btw at no stage have I suggested or would be in favour of McCarthy coming back, I just have issues with teh way his term in charge has been rewritten. Fact is he's our second most sucessful manager ever, if anyone thinks otherwise they're obviously a moron.

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So do I!

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

Have we sank so low that we are looking for candidates who are good at computer games? :rolleyes: :eek:

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yes, yes we have...

Mick is a hero and a gentleman.

lol....ha.hahahaha...Robbed this country of our greatest ever player playing in a world cup...unforgivable...only got the job cos he was charltons little bumchum

A fairly predictable direction this thread is taking .. towards a little island in the pacific ocean

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Originally Posted by citizenerased

lol....ha.hahahaha...Robbed this country of our greatest ever player playing in a world cup...unforgivable...only got the job cos he was charltons little bumchum

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:rolleyes:

Some people just cant let go.

GET OVER IT!!! IT WAS 5 YEARS AGO!!!!!

BTW What is the weather like that far up Keane's hole?

a bit moist, but a prediction of sunshine for the weekend...;-)

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Originally Posted by citizenerased

lol....ha.hahahaha...Robbed this country of our greatest ever player playing in a world cup...unforgivable...only got the job cos he was charltons little bumchum

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HAHAHAHA ... last man to get us to a finals. its been all down hill since he left . Kerr and this friend return for us to finish FOURTH in the group.

Its all about man management
Wolves to go up on a shoe string budget just like he done with Sunderland

We were no 12 in world seeding when he left .. WHERE ARE WE NOW

Legend

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Originally Posted by macdermesser

A fairly predictable direction this thread is taking .. towards a little island in the pacific ocean

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which would imply that if Mick was hired again that's all the papers/fans would be talking about again....reopening old wounds imho...

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Originally Posted by Jacktheman

last man to get us to a finals.
Legend

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I presume your talking about Keane here, his influence on the team heavily outweighed that on the managers at the time. All the players continuously referred to how Keane made them play better, McCarthy was just along for the ride.

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Originally Posted by Ireland4ever

I presume your talking about Keane here, his influence on the team heavily outweighed that on the managers at the time. All the players continuously referred to how Keane made them play better, McCarthy was just along for the ride.

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When Roy the man came back with the great Kerr we came FOURTH the worst finish in 20 years.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Jacktheman

When Roy the man came back with the great Kerr we came FOURTH the worst finish in 20 years.:cool:

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He was at the end of his career and was suffering from hip problems, shows your lack of knowledge of irish football.

Blue flu is the only thing that Keane ever suffered from. 60 some-odd caps from 1992 to 2006. Lout.


Edit: for disambiguation the above use of lout refers to Keane.

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Originally Posted by Ireland4ever

He was at the end of his career and was suffering from hip problems, shows your lack of knowledge of irish football.

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So knowledge of Roy Keanes hip's is a criteria for knowledge of Irish football?:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gustavo

So knowledge of Roy Keanes hip's is a criteria for knowledge of Irish football?:rolleyes:

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Yes, absolutely. Even if you don't like him, he's unquestionably one our greatest players ever. Only McGrath and Liam Brady are worthy of being mentioned in the same breath.

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Originally Posted by gustavo

So knowledge of Roy Keanes hip's is a criteria for knowledge of Irish football?:rolleyes:

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yes. anyone that knows how much we leaned on Keano will appreciate that when he was not available for whatever reason, we suffered. We would not have qualified for the world cup in 2002 without him. (cypress away, holland at home, portugal at home etc, etc) so we did come to understand his issues with his hip, his hamstring, and his whatever else meant he could not line out. He was the most influential player that ireland has had over the last 15 years. I dont think anyone could disagree with that.

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Originally Posted by billybunter

yes. anyone that knows how much we leaned on Keano will appreciate that when he was not available for whatever reason, we suffered. We would not have qualified for the world cup in 2002 without him. (cypress away, holland at home, portugal at home etc, etc) so we did come to understand his issues with his hip, his hamstring, and his whatever else meant he could not line out. He was the most influential player that ireland has had over the last 15 years. I dont think anyone could disagree with that.

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True, when he could be arsed showing up. He missed plenty of games for spurious reasons long before his hip problems. We also wouldn't have qualified without McAteer's 2 goals against Holland or Ian Harte's goals or Robbie Keane's etc. Royston was magnificent that campaign but the way that other players and the managers contributions have been forgotten about and practically airbrushed from history is frankly laughable.

These are Ireland's results between September 1998 and November 2001 - McCarthy's most successful time in charge. Also the time that Keane was in his prime. 'K' denotes games that Keane played. Let's see if there's any discrepancy.

v Croatia 2-0 K
v Malta 5-0 K
v Yugoslavia 0-1 K
v NI 0-1
v Macedonia 1-0
v Yugoslavia 2-1 K
v Croatia 0-1
v Malta 3-2
v Macedonia 1-1
v Turkey 1-1 K
v Turkey 0-0 K
v Czechs 3-2 K
v Greece 0-1
v Scotland 1-2
v Mexico 2-2
v USA 1-1
v S. Africa 2-1
v Holland 2-2 K
v Portugal 1-1 K
v Estonia 2-0 K
v Finland 3-0
v Cyprus 4-0 K
v Andorra 3-0 K
v Andorra 3-1
v Portugal 1-1 K
v Croatia 2-2 K
v Holland 1-0 K
v Cyprus 4-0 K
v Iran 2-0 K
v Iran 0-1

With Keane; played 15, won 9, drew 5, lost 1.
Without Keane; played 15, won 5, drew 4, lost 6.

Bit of a difference. OK, Keane missed a lot of matches, but he still has more caps (67) than John Giles (59), Mick McCarthy (57), Denis Irwin (56) and Ronnie Whelan (53). This would back up the claim of Keane's importance, and refute the detractors who deny Keane's willingness to play for his country. The players mentioned above are upheld as Irish footballing heroes, and Keane derided by some as a traitor. Yet he played more games than them.

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Originally Posted by Supreme feet

With Keane; played 15, won 9, drew 5, lost 1.
Without Keane; played 15, won 5, drew 4, lost 6.

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Says it all really.

Number of caps is misleading though as in Giles's day they played less games.

Giles was also pulled out of alot of games by Revie because of the lack of a qualified physio on the annual away trips to Poland. Sound familiar.

Ronnie Whelan also pulled out of games for dubious reasons as Liverpool dominated Europe. He got booed at Tolka in 1984 when he paraded the European Cup in a friendly.

Keane will always be a controversial figure, but it remains a fact that in the last ten years, Keane, Irwin and Steve Finnan (whose commitment has recently been called into question) are the only Irishmen to have won the Champions League.

It boils down to a personal choice for us fans - do we want proven winners (who might drop out of the occasional friendly) or do we want honest, limited journeymen who escape from their relegation battles to sweat blood for their country? It appears that we can't survive or thrive without either.

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Originally Posted by stojkovic

He (Whelan) got booed at Tolka in a friendly.

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And at Milltown. There were chants of "Why don't you play for Ireland?" afair.

Keane won the champions league???

so did traore biscan etc

id take McCarthy back in a heartbeat must be said

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Originally Posted by Supreme feet

Keane will always be a controversial figure, but it remains a fact that in the last ten years, Keane, Irwin and Steve Finnan (whose commitment has recently been called into question) are the only Irishmen to have won the Champions League.

It boils down to a personal choice for us fans - do we want proven winners (who might drop out of the occasional friendly) or do we want honest, limited journeymen who escape from their relegation battles to sweat blood for their country? It appears that we can't survive or thrive without either.

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Must have missed the final that Keane played in. What year was that?

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Originally Posted by Supreme feet

Bit of a difference. OK, Keane missed a lot of matches, but he still has more caps (67) than John Giles (59), Mick McCarthy (57), Denis Irwin (56) and Ronnie Whelan (53). This would back up the claim of Keane's importance, and refute the detractors who deny Keane's willingness to play for his country. The players mentioned above are upheld as Irish footballing heroes, and Keane derided by some as a traitor. Yet he played more games than them.

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I think you'll find that that may be to do with the fact that none of the others have a 'Sapian' in their history. The amount of caps is irrelevant. Incidents such as Keane missing friendlies (whatever about competitive games, think he was missing for a lot of WC 98 qualifiers, correct me if I'm wrong, I know he'd managed to stupidly injure himself kicking Haaland prior to the play off), not turning up at airports for tours etc would not cause the division in opinion that Saipan does and that's the cause of the blot on his reputation with many fans.

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Must have missed the final that Keane played in. What year was that?

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Thats pretty pedantic don't you think?

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Thats pretty pedantic don't you think?

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Not really. Facetious yes. ;) He missed the final. He's said himself he didn't feel like he won it.

Darren Potter also got a medal the year Liverpool won it if we want to be really pedantic.

Still, at least Keane seems to be generating a very strong sense of dedication, companionship & togetherness in his team

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Keane IMO was the best player we have ever had. And I believe McCarthy made a mistake in Saipan. But I would have McCarthy back over many of the names mentioned as potential candidates for the job. Is Jewell a better manager than MM? I don't think so and yet he was possibly offered the job.

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Originally Posted by Jacktheman

When Roy the man came back with the great Kerr we came FOURTH the worst finish in 20 years.:cool:

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17 points in that group. in 10 games. we got 17 points in the last campaign too, playing two more games. and we were only three points from the top of that group too. misinformation of the highest degree. when was the last time we finished so close to the group winners?

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Keane IMO was the best player we have ever had. And I believe McCarthy made a mistake in Saipan. But I would have McCarthy back over many of the names mentioned as potential candidates for the job. Is Jewell a better manager than MM? I don't think so and yet he was possibly offered the job.

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I think Shay Given can now be judged as Ireland's best ever player, and his career is over with well over 100 caps, most will share this opinion.

Keane was indubitably one of our finest ever, but I think that is an indication of the low calibre of footballer we produce. Philip Cocu would have won 200 caps for us.

forget keane for a second (any mention of him creates division) but given better than giles or brady?
who would you rather have on your team, if you had to pick one out of the three?

given is the best keeper we've ever had but thats it.

ireland played 163 games between 1990 to 2006. cocu couldnt of won 200 caps. add in him breaking his leg and being out for a year in '91

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Originally Posted by eekers

......ireland played 163 games between 1990 to 2006.....

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Between 1 January 1990 and 31st December 2006, I estimate Ireland played 170 games. Any other offers?