Graeme Souness and RTE

Don Givens is so old fashioned that he probably wont approach Hodgson directly.
Like any job a man has to be head hunted but will givens do this.....??

Doubtful

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Originally Posted by Deckydee

Ray Houghton insists the Republic of Ireland door has not been closed on Graeme Souness.

Former Liverpool and Newcastle manager Souness had been keen on replacing Steve Staunton as coach of the Ireland national team.
However, he appears to have ended his interest in the post following reports the position had already been offered to Terry Venables.
Souness told the Irish Star Sunday: "It is a huge pity."
But Houghton, who is part of a three-man selection panel, has moved to reassure Souness that the vacancy has not been filled and that he can still put himself forward for the job.
"We understand there was interest from Graeme to be the manager," Houghton told Sky Sports News.
Disappointed
"Now it's up to him to make the decision to speak to us. We've tried to reassure him that there isn't anyone in place at the moment. ...

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the only sense I can make out of Souness's supposed statement is that the journalist contacted him and said that 'the job has been offered to Venables so how do you feel about that'?

Then Souness replies
'It is a huge pity as I feel this was a great job with real possibilities and feel that with my experience in England and on the continent, I could really have brought something to Irish football.

'I cannot reiterate how disappointed I am in this decision because I love Ireland and the thought of working with so many talented young players was something I would have relished.'

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I'm very concerned about the misperception of Hodgson taking up a post with Inter Milan, and that the right people won't be aware that he has clearly left the door open.

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This is the only site I use to gauge perceptions of football in Ireland so I'm in the dark to a certain extent - how widespread in Ireland is the desire to see Hodgson as manager? Is it really possible that "the right people" could make that kind of mistake?

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Originally Posted by osarusan

how widespread in Ireland is the desire to see Hodgson as manager?

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I've no idea. I'd guess that most people, including regular match goers, aren't that bothered either way. The Irish football team is something they watch 5 or 6 times a year and pay little attention to in between.

I think most people are anti Venables but that is only from the people I speak to. Most people I spoke to did not know much about Hodgson but I have talked about him so much over the last few months that they went away and checked out his record etc and would be happy with his appointment. I am not sure how widespread this as I can only judge by my friends and acquaintances.

"We've tried to reassure him that there isn't anyone in place at the moment."

Was that the main reason Souness turned down an interview?

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

A load of rubbish there from Souness, what the hell does he mean. Is this another one of these, I want the job but I dont want to be interviewed for it. Fair enough if it was in a job but a load of rubbish when someone is out of work like he is.

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Souness was spot-on when he pulled out of the Bolton job interview process because he smelt a rat, his words should be a great cause for concern. When he was interviewed for the Bolton job he was shocked to find Gary Megsons old agent was there to interview him with the Bolton chairman and we know who got that job in the end. I suspect he views Don Howe in much the same capacity.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...199608,00.html

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

"We've tried to reassure him that there isn't anyone in place at the moment."

Was that the main reason Souness turned down an interview?

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Thats the only reason he pulled out IMO. He as stressed that he would really like the job but the man is not a complete clown. He can see through this whole process just like everyone of us here can. Fair dues to Souness, he had the balls to take a stand against it.

I think we are seeing why Souness would not be the best man for the job. The reason is, that he loves confllict. I think he looks for conflict rather than try to avoid it. At times he may be right but over the time of his management career he has had way too much conflict and I think there are times to play politics (not saying this is the time).

I dont think its a coincidence that he has falled out with so many players.

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Originally Posted by ruben_sosa

Souness was spot-on when he pulled out of the Bolton job interview process because he smelt a rat, his words should be a great cause for concern. When he was interviewed for the Bolton job he was shocked to find Gary Megsons old agent was there to interview him with the Bolton chairman and we know who got that job in the end. I suspect he views Don Howe in much the same capacity.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...199608,00.html

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Interesting quote from Souness on that page -

"I think my interview was nothing but window dressing and it was already a done deal."

Sounds eerily similar to what lots of people on this site have been saying.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think most people are anti Venables but that is only from the people I speak to. Most people I spoke to did not know much about Hodgson but I have talked about him so much over the last few months that they went away and checked out his record etc and would be happy with his appointment. I am not sure how widespread this as I can only judge by my friends and acquaintances.

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Caught the last 10 mins of the sat football phone it on Today FM when the presenter asked for realistic alternatives to Venables - nearly everybody was mentioned except Hodgson- the caller mentioned Klinsmann (dont know what he was smoking). It is going to be an EPL reject with name recognition to calm the masses although the words of Delaney wrt british style coaching does gave me some hope a la Hodgson.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think we are seeing why Souness would not be the best man for the job. The reason is, that he loves confllict. I think he looks for conflict rather than try to avoid it. At times he may be right but over the time of his management career he has had way too much conflict and I think there are times to play politics (not saying this is the time).

I dont think its a coincidence that he has falled out with so many players.

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Conflict is what is needed. Anything barr the apathy we're seeing from the players and the incompetence from the organisation. Never know. International football might suit him. Might be less prone to falling out with players if he doesn't see them that often..:)

I do however feel that players would be less prone to faking injuries around the time of friendlies under Sounness. I also feel he would weed out those players that don't even realise they only half want to represent our country. I've said it a million times. Players will either play for sounness, play for their country in spite of sounness or retire from playing for their country... Any one of them 3 is good for me, not the current grey area players occupy now.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

This is the only site I use to gauge perceptions of football in Ireland so I'm in the dark to a certain extent - how widespread in Ireland is the desire to see Hodgson as manager? Is it really possible that "the right people" could make that kind of mistake? .

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Hodgson would have been my favourite when Stan got the job. My second favourite now. Might be an overstatement to say he's everyones favourite. But would definately ruffle no feathers amongst fans if he was appointed.

I thought his (Graeme Souness) analysis of the game was spot on last night. Indeed we do have a ‘modest team full of modest players’ and that Trapattoni knows exactly what is doing by utilizing what he has and putting points on the table.

It helps sometimes to have a ‘foreigner’ in the group to see the game from another perspective.

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Originally Posted by Deckydee

I thought his (Graeme Souness) analysis of the game was spot on last night. Indeed we do have a ‘modest team full of modest players’ and that Trapattoni knows exactly what is doing by utilizing what he has and putting points on the table.

It helps sometimes to have a ‘foreigner’ in the group to see the game from another perspective.

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Absolutely. Dunphy's assertion that 8 of our players would "walk into any European team" was ridiculous.

Never really thought much of him as a manager, but I've been pretty impressed with him as a pundit.

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

Absolutely. Dunphy's assertion that 8 of our players would "walk into any European team" was ridiculous.

Never really thought much of him as a manager, but I've been pretty impressed with him as a pundit.

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And he never named Andy Reid in the 8 despite being a class player an hour earlier. :D

I couldn't stop laughing when Dunphy said that. He really does talk absolute crap.

It was classic Dunphy, saying we had 8 players who would get into any European team. i think he named 4 and then gave up :D

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Joe

It was classic Dunphy, saying we had 8 players who would get into any European team. i think he named 4 and then gave up :D

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I've deleted it from my Sky + but think he named 8. Given, Dunne, O'Shea, Ireland, Duff, McGeady, Keane, Doyle.

However not naming Andy Reid was the best. :D

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Originally Posted by Deckydee

I thought his (Graeme Souness) analysis of the game was spot on last night. Indeed we do have a ‘modest team full of modest players’ and that Trapattoni knows exactly what is doing by utilizing what he has and putting points on the table.

It helps sometimes to have a ‘foreigner’ in the group to see the game from another perspective.

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I have just watched the post match punditry and I'd agree totally. It was a Souness dose of sanity in contrast to Dunphy's (our team of superstars dressed up in workman's clothes) hyperbole.

Interesting to see Dunphy's reaction when Souness looks into his eyes and says repeatedly and firmly "I don't agree with you Eamon"

its all well and good saying that but with two wingers that we have, we could be playing a more expansive game. i'm happy with how trap is doing things, but just because we don't have top players doesn't mean we have to play within ourselves.

I've deleted it from my Sky + but think he named 8. Given, Dunne, O'Shea, Ireland, Duff, McGeady, Keane, Doyle.

However not naming Andy Reid was the best. :D[/quote]


I'm sure at one point Dunphy has gone on a rant critising each of those players (maybe with the exception of Given).

RTE's analysis online here: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/...alysis_av.html

Dunphy: it's a major failing not bringing Ireland back into this team.

I thought he has been asked and has declined.

Dunphy: x, y and Stephen Ireland. These guys love playing for their country.

The guy is a prize fool. Why do people still listen to what he says and give his normally bone-headed reactions to games the courtesy of their attention?

The man who was trumpeting Trap's appointment was to be heard, after we'd secured 7 points from a possible 9, demanding that Trap be sacked if he neglected to pick Andy Reid in his next squad.

Now, with 10 points from a possible 12, our best ever start to a qualifying campaign, he is trying out the whole line that 'failing' to get Stephen Ireland back is somehow a massive shortcoming on the part of the Irish management. The guy simply does not want to play for his country. Quite apart from the insult it would be to the value of the Irish jersey to go begging him to come back, it would be futile. The course of action taken by Trap, Brady et al is both the correct and the only sane one: declare that the door is open (albeit, quite rationally, within a deadline now that the games are clocking up) and leave it up for the guy to make the call.

This is all painfully obvious, of course. But it beggars belief that, when he's being paid over 300,000 euro a year to be the maverick, the sh*t-stirrer-in-chief of the RTE panel, this is the best he can come up with. It's pathetic.

I mjust look at the post match analysis again. Early in Dunphy's summary he flatly contradicted himself with comments only seconds apart from each other. I can't recall exactly what he said though. If I get time I'll post the quote.

He never did get past naming 5 out 8 players who could walk into any team in Europe.

the way i read it was Dunphy was defending the Irish side.

Souness (not Irish obviously) said that this side was 'modest' and lacking in ability and the coach was getting the best out of them

To me it looked like Dunphy wasn't going to let Souness get away with this i.e. it's OK for us Irish to criticise our team, but if you're not Irish you're better off keeping your trap (pardon the pun) shut unless you have something positive to say.

If an Irish person was on a tv panel in Scotland and overtly criticised the Scottish side, the home-grown panelists would be inclined to come to their national sides defense.

We didn't pay you good money to come over here and take the **** out of our side - we can do that ourselves.

If his comment was as you have it (and I'd agree with it, by and large), then he wasn't taking the **** out of our side, he was telling the truth. Which is what he's there to do.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

If his comment was as you have it (and I'd agree with it, by and large), then he wasn't taking the **** out of our side, he was telling the truth. Which is what he's there to do.

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here hear

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Originally Posted by SkStu

here hear

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:eek:

Not seen that version before!

(And it's a typo that really annoys me normally)

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

:eek:

Not seen that version before!

(And it's a typo that really annoys me normally)

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:D thought that might get a response!!

I certainly hope Souness is a fixture for the Ireland games in the pundits chair at RTE.
His main point was about playing 2 wingers, that we only need one.
Fair enough point.
Our game is crying out for somebody who can mosey about midfield, get on the ball and generally be available.
I'd be more easy about that if we had Finnan at FB.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/...alysis_av.html

Dunphy names the Irish players that would get into any European team. Its 10 minutes into the clip.
To be fair to Dunphy he does say there are 7 or 8 Irish players in that team thaqt would get into any European International team and he goes on to name 6 of them.
Doyle
Given
Keane
Dunne
O'Shea :eek:
and some guy called Ireland.

Fair play to Dunphy if he was defending the team from an attack by Souness but it wasnt that. Souness was saying that Ireland have done very well so far, have modest resources and have great chance of qualifying if we beat Bulgaria at home. Dunphy was simply building up the Irish team so that he could have a go at the mangement about leaving out Ireland and Reid.

... maybe a bit unfair on O'Shea, seen as though he does play regularly for the European Club Champions.:o

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Joe

[URL]Souness was saying that Ireland have done very well so far, have modest resources and have great chance of qualifying if we beat Bulgaria at home.

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When I was a bit less mature than I think I am now I used to really dislike Souness, but I think the additional view he brings to the RTE panel is very valuable, usually very accurate, and I think he's a very good pundit when allowed the editorial discretion he's given at RTE. Maybe I'm being soft, but I actually also think he likes our team.

I think Dunphy was OTT but if he'd said that 6-8 of our players would get into any mid-sized 3rd seeded country in Europe, or even some of the second seeds, he wouldn't be far wrong. I honestly think that except for central midfield our resources are far better than modest, but given the importance of central midfield the overall team is modest. Souness himself acknowledged that Steven Reid would be a huge addition.

I think if we went with this first 11 if we had it available.

Given

Finnan Dunne O Shea Kilbane


Duff S. Reid S. Ireland Mc Geady

R. Keane K Doyle

at home

and away go with a Lee Carsley, Glenn Whelan, Keith Andrews instead of Ireland or one of the wingers and we would have a very strong team. Unfortunately not having S. Reid and S. Ireland does make us very average in the most crucial area of the park.

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Originally Posted by TerryPhelan

The guy is a prize fool. Why do people still listen to what he says and give his normally bone-headed reactions to games the courtesy of their attention?

The man who was trumpeting Trap's appointment was to be heard, after we'd secured 7 points from a possible 9, demanding that Trap be sacked if he neglected to pick Andy Reid in his next squad.

Now, with 10 points from a possible 12, our best ever start to a qualifying campaign, he is trying out the whole line that 'failing' to get Stephen Ireland back is somehow a massive shortcoming on the part of the Irish management. The guy simply does not want to play for his country. Quite apart from the insult it would be to the value of the Irish jersey to go begging him to come back, it would be futile. The course of action taken by Trap, Brady et al is both the correct and the only sane one: declare that the door is open (albeit, quite rationally, within a deadline now that the games are clocking up) and leave it up for the guy to make the call.

This is all painfully obvious, of course. But it beggars belief that, when he's being paid over 300,000 euro a year to be the maverick, the sh*t-stirrer-in-chief of the RTE panel, this is the best he can come up with. It's pathetic.

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I agree wholeheartedly. Souness did great in making the comments he did about Traps achievements so far. Its quite exciting and quite clear to see how he is setting this team up

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

When I was a bit less mature than I think I am now I used to really dislike Souness, but I think the additional view he brings to the RTE panel is very valuable, usually very accurate, and I think he's a very good pundit when allowed the editorial discretion he's given at RTE. Maybe I'm being soft, but I actually also think he likes our team.

I think Dunphy was OTT but if he'd said that 6-8 of our players would get into any mid-sized 3rd seeded country in Europe, or even some of the second seeds, he wouldn't be far wrong. I honestly think that except for central midfield our resources are far better than modest, but given the importance of central midfield the overall team is modest. Souness himself acknowledged that Steven Reid would be a huge addition.

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hear here!

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Originally Posted by irishultra

its all well and good saying that but with two wingers that we have, we could be playing a more expansive game. i'm happy with how trap is doing things, but just because we don't have top players doesn't mean we have to play within ourselves.

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But i think that were you fall short in this campaign because the better teams will take control of your centre midfield not allowing your expansive game to happen.

Ireland i think have a good/great players in most key positions bar the centre midfield, if the can sort that position out i think ireland would be in great chance to qualify.

and i think trap is doing great job

The only people who do not think that is doing a good job are people who have a one eyed agenda for a certain player whether that be A Reid, S Ireland or S St. Ledger. In addition there are a few wannabe managers or forum warriors who think they know more than someone with 50 years worth of experience in football.

Do I agree with everything that Trap is doing no, however on Wed night, I was shouting for him to do something from the bench, well he didnt and we won the match, so what the hell do I know.