Testers are not civil servants. There are already private companies doing testsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
And as long as the government does not give a single page of instruction to testers, there are always going to be problems.
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Testers are not civil servants. There are already private companies doing testsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
And as long as the government does not give a single page of instruction to testers, there are always going to be problems.
I meant Driving Testers. I could suggest many obstacles but if Ministers want to be paid high sums of money hows about actually delivering?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Why is that Ringo? I made a mistake I've paid for it (I was banned for 2 years)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
my ban will be up in August, so yeah I suppose the Irish justice system in this case is great. I committed an offence was caught and punished, I would call that BGR 0-1 Justice system, or in your opinion should I have been banned for Life
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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
You weren't even qualified to drive & you were done for Drink driving. yes i do think two years off the road was too little. Can't even make you re-sit your test, because you never sat it in the first place. Coming on here and boasting about how great you are, that you got two years off the road. What if you had killed or hurt someone drink driving?
Where did he do that? And your hypothetical question is hardly a good arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
He never said it was wrong. He justified it by saying he got caught, got a two year ban & basically appears not to care. The fact he’s happy to come on and tell everyone in a matter of fact way about it is surprising. It’s hardly something to boast about. I wonder if he's learned anything, he's 28 now, so he was 26 when it happened, so it can't be put down to immaturity. I douby if it was his first time drink driving. The whole point of punishment, is supposed to be that you learn a lesson & accept you did something wrong. I see no evidence in his posts of any acceptance of doing some wrong or a lesson having been learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
You're making an awful lot of assumptions there Ringo. As is standard with you...
I wouldn't be too bothered abotu somebody posting anonymously on the internet about what they have or haven't done.
How about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
But on the other hand.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
that is just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
For what its worth, I agree with the new laws (at the enforcement of them) and I don't have much time, or any sympathy, for those guilty of DUI.
I just don't think you're being reasonable in your posts.
We've had this discussion on Foot.ie before, I don't want to see it again. BGR broke the law, was given a punishment by the state, and that punishment is now complete. End of story.
BGR, don't bring it up on Foot.ie again, it's obviously a contentious issue that causes unnecessary trouble, if I see it again I'll consider it trolling. Everyone else just drop it please, and get back on-topic.
adam
Is it me or is there a lot more L plates on cars since last weekend?
I think there is more around but maybe I am just noticing them now. I think some people might have stuck them on the outside of their cars & now can'y remove them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
The Minister for Transport, Noel Dempsey, has said that thousands of provisional driving licence holders have applied for the driving test since last Thursday
Yesterday, Taoiseach Bertie Ahern said that some drivers were on their 20th provisional driving licence and had never even applied for a driving test.
Some 40,000 drivers have had five or more such licences
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1101/roadsafety.html
Fair play sorting out in a matter of months of coming to power, not like they've had 10 years to do something about it or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
I've just been practising a lot. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Any chance of amending the law to ban them from ever sitting in a car or even applying for the test?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
It never ceases to amaze me how some people think the system is against them. One perfect example at work - guy feels he learnt nothing from lessons until he got his own car, failed his test once, crashed into the back of another car, has difficulty parking his car & just got a speeding ticket on the M1 doing 140kph. :eek: :rolleyes:
Until we prevent people from getting licence/permit without ever having been in car there is not hope. :(
Everyone in this country had failed to notice that the changes to Driving Licences legistation is only a derversionary tactic by the government over the shannon issue.
:rolleyes: Do you think anyone outside the south west cares about Shannon. i thought it was a derversionary tactic by the government over the wage increases?Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
Certainly a handy coincidence between the two. Not like they've got form for this or anything. Remember that really crap, tax increasing budget from McCreevy after the last election that got buried under Decentralisation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Pretty clear that the problems aren't the unions or driver testers, it's the system. IMPACT actually on the radio over the weekend saying they'd have no objection to increased private testers in the context of their agreements. Thing that struck me, which I believe pete raised earlier, is the levels of people not turning up for tests. It's claimed to be 20% of people simply don't show - puts in to perspective the "privatise everything that moves" brigades guff about absentee testers.
Highlights another flaw in the system. Apply for test. No show for test means you fail, which means you now can get another provisional. You can see why some people are on a 4th or 5th licence.
Besides the hassle of having a qualified driver with you, has this changed?
IMO Transport strategy is possibly the biggest failings of the FF lead governments in the last 10 years. Everyone knows the problems, most people can suggest good solutions & no shortage of money to solve. In fact most solutions would pay for themselves which means lack of political will (bizarre) or administrative failing. While the recent Ministers for Transport have not been the brightest stars they not exactly the idiots either.
:confused:
It kinda sums up the recent governments where they quick to claim credit for things they have little input into but even quicker to pass the buck on things they directly responsible for.
(mini rant over)
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...g-1870803.htmlQuote:
A jury yesterday called for the provisional driving license regime to be enforced after an inquest heard that the teenage driver of a car in which two young men died had only received her first licence four weeks before the tragic crash.
The call came as Theresa Dingivan (21) yesterday confirmed to a coroner's inquest that she had no formal driving instruction before the tragic accident two years ago and only got her first provisional license four weeks beforehand.
Pressure
She had bought her 13-year-old car two months earlier, did not know how to check the tyre pressure on her new car and had not hired a mechanic to inspect the vehicle.
The only driving instruction she received was from her boyfriend.
We need to start enforcing the law & maybe have a restricted licence for a year when someone first pass's their test.
I'd agree with you about enforcement, but I'd wait until we're enforcing the current laws before introducing anything else. From what I can see, they're not enforcing the laws about accompanied drivers at all. Lots of cars with L plates on the motorways, where they shouldn't be (accompanied or not).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Talk of curfews, lower alcohol limits etc are pure window dressing - enforce the current laws and when there's general compliance, then look at further restrictions (if necessary). If there isn't the cops to enforce the current laws, adding new ones will make zero difference.
Nail on the head, you still have the same old 'we need new laws lower limits guff from politicians and Gay Byrne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Any time you see a drink driving conviction they tend to be 2-5 times over the limit - lowering the limit will make no difference to these guys
I believe one of the lads killed in that incident was a Cobh Ramblers U21 player at the time, by the way.
What good would restricting a persons licence for a year do? The point of the test is to prove that you are good enough to drive on the road unaccompanied. If the tester passes you, then you are good enough and should be allowed to drive alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
From my experience with the private pilots licence syllabus, I think that the following requirements from that should be imported in some form:
- A minimum of X (10 perhaps) hours certified instruction should be undertaken (logged and stamped by the driving school) and the instructor/driving school should have to sign off to say that they believe that you are suitable to sit your final test.
- As part of the 10 hours, a minimum of 3 hours dual control motorway tuition should take place.
- A significant written exam should have to be passed before you can sit the actual driving test. The questions in the exam should be of a far higher standard than that current mockery of an exam.
- Commerical drivers should be forced to resit their test every 2 years after they have passed and all other drivers should resit every 5 years. This should weed out some of the awful drivers out there and those who were given their licence for free in decades gone by.
I also think that the current laws should actually be implemented. (i.e. when the police check for tax and insurance, they should also check your licence.)
In short, driving on the road should be a privilege not a right.
Whether post or pre test, there should be motorway/ dual carriageway as part of the lessons. Everything from the way people join the motorway to lane discipline on it is brutal in this country imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
But, at this point provisional licence holders, unaccompanied are still using the motorways unchecked.