dunphy made a point last night about the FAI spin machine i'd like to know what his evidence is , he was cut off before he could get into it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
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dunphy made a point last night about the FAI spin machine i'd like to know what his evidence is , he was cut off before he could get into it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Your evidence is right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
Horrible game, horrible feeling about it this morning. A shame Stan is now being booed by thousands, just a few years after being cheered. Management at this level is just beyond him. For his own sanity, he should go. For ours, too.
I am afraid I don't believe you and he hasn't destroyed the team because it wasn't much of a team when he got it. He has made it worse but he hasn't destroyed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
I think you would do what I think will happen when Delaney comes knocking on your door. "Listen youngirish, I don't think this is working out and we're getting terrible stick from the media and the fans". You reply "Fair enough". Delaney says "I think we have to replace you". You say "I have a 4 year contract". Delaney says "What will it take for the good of the country and my job security for you to leave?" You say "€700k". Delaney says €500k". You say "€600k". Delaney says "Done!".
Press statement: "The FAI have agreed to terminate the contract of youngirish by mutual consent. The FAI would like to thank youngirish for his unstinting hard work for the Association and the national team during the past x months. The search now begins for a new world class manager".
The FAI would also like to say that YoungIrish is the great spotter of young Footballing talent and some of his friends have been astounded at how much he knows about football. The Fai would also like to thank Youngirish for not turning up to Irish football matches.
You obviously only turn up for the crack as I've said before and not to watch the football.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I've been at plenty of matches over the years but I'll pass on watching that drivel Stan has the team playing thank you very much. I'm not the sort of mindless mongo that turns up just for the drink before or after the game without being too bothered about the results. My support is not unconditional. I expect some professionalism and effort for my money. Two characteristics severely lacking from the current setup.
When you going to start supporting the Hoops again?
0-1 Chile home. 0-4 Holland home. 2-5 Cyprus away. 2-1 San Marino away. 2-2 Slovakia away. 0-1 Czech Republic away. 1-1 Cyprus home. What exactly would you consider as destroying the team?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
The team he has is far better than anything Cyprus or Slovakia can muster.
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Originally Posted by Kingdom
Dare I say it but I think Keane deserves to be on the above team, i do think he is our best striker but we have not got the best out of him because of the way we play. He has played his best games for ireland and spurs when he plays up front, not dropping off and is on the end of knock downs etc from a taller striker - we have not managed or tried that once this campaign.
Not much crack (sic) at Ireland games now that we have moved over to Croke Park. Always much more crack (sic) when it was in Ballsbridge.
As I said before when are you going to start doing your coaching courses so we can all learn from the wise one. Until then I wont know anything about football and will have to rely on your posts to understand the game. Oh Joey O Brien is the saviour of Irish football at central midfield.
Not far better because we're not far better than Wales (better but not far better) and their results are even worse. We're coming from a position of having finished third in a group and ending up (probably) third in a group. 1-0 away to the Czech who just beat Germany 3-0 is hardly "destroyed" and we took 4 points from Slovakia. The games against the two "minnows" apart, I think we got the results I pretty much would have expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
It's a long time since I've been so disinterested in a game. Couldn't believe O'Brien in midfield. Has one competitive game in over a year and he's expected to slot into one of the most physically demanding positions on the pitch. We'd no shape, no organisation, our crossing was appalling, there was an appalling lack of leadership on the pitch. Our captain at one stage in the first half was found out wide on the left at the half way line while Andy Keogh was at the back line on the right looking to pick out a player. We were so confused we booed teh players off the pitch at half time and cheered them to the echo back on for the second half.
Delaney should go now but it's not going to happen. Instead he'll get rid of Staunton to save his own neck. Stan should never have been appointed. Delaney should be ashamed of the way he's run the international team (into the ground). Oh and while he's at it, get rid of that muppet Devlin also. I fail to see what he's contributing to the set up.
Looking at the palyers performance last night, I think teh managers lost the dressing room
I don't think its as simple as that anymore. I do believe we have some good players, but of the current squad quite a few have been involved in some absolute gash performances. Maybe Keane was dragging us above level for that while because since we've had nobody else to do it. Face it, if after qualifying for WC02, someone handed you a slip of paper with the draws for the next 3 campaigns and showed you the 3 groups we've been in, you'd have cacked yourself. This isn't some wild assertion, this is based on us having consistently had good away performances to minor teams and occasionally taking points off the top seeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
We all should have been worried by the noises coming out of the camp during the Kerr regime. These were players that he had made/coached to heroes in the underage setup, and if anyone should have had their respect, it was him. That would have been without taking into account the extra levels of professionalism to which he was willing to go to. I was astounded to hear Richard dunne complain about the dvd's that kerr (Brian Mccarthy) was making up on opposition players. For a fine footballer Dunne is by no means perfect ( I find his distribution of a ball atrocious). It appeared to me that the manager was trying to be more professional than the players.
it puts some of the comments coming out of the players last night about the fans into context.
I'm not particularily slagging Robbie Keane off, but as I said in the post you replied to basing players performances in the campaign just gone, could you really put robbie Keane in? I don't believe you can guarentee him starting anymore on the basis of the campaign just gone, because 3 goals in 1 game against San Marino is a poor return.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Hey even Raul got dropped for Spain eventually.
give it a rest lads .. ffs ..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Je39lfbiAfU
LISTEN AT 4.10 !!!! :D
Its actually quite funny that you had me down as a defender of Darren Potter in that thread and I had barely said anything about him. All I had said was that you are over the top in your criticism of youngirish players which is quite ironic considering your user name.
OwlsFan, your FAI apologism is getting tedious now.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
England are on the verge of getting knocked out with eight wins and two draws from twelve games. That's unlucky - about as many points as you can get and not go through.
NI and Scotland have had excellent campaigns beyond their wildest hopes, and I would still give Scotland a 50/50 chance of qualifying.
If you think any of these instances are the same as ours, you're a fool. Seriously.
Oh no! Ignoring me? Whatever will I doQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
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Originally Posted by onenilgameover
Just caught the end of it but heres the vid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTIBPQ4ArCw
As an oldie, I thought I'd seen the worst Irish manager and the worst Irish performance 21 years ago when Eoin Hand saw out his term with a 4-1 defeat to Denmark. Wednesday was a hundred times worse.
Leaving aside the totally awfull performance by every player, two things stuck out for me. Around the 75th minute I saw that w*nker Joh O'Shea aim to pull out of a 50-50 tackle. It was a sort of not a pull out because he was late, but a pull out in the way I pulled out of tackles thinking I didn't want to injure myself as I won't get paid for work if I turn up with a broken leg.
This bloke is one gutless f*cker. Has he ever been booked for Ireland?
Another was the opposition. In comparison with the 'Danish Dynamite' that saw off Hand, this team was total pants. Arguing with their manager when being substituted, pushing other teammates away when being substituted, spitting at opponents when they score. Truly, truly, troooooooly, this is the worst I've ever seen Ireland in a game.
Staunton must go. At least Hand managed a side that beat a couple of the qualifiers from Ireland's groups (France and the USSR).
yeah agree, remember Kebin Keegan did the honourable thing with England (and didnt Maccarthy walk as well?)Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
this rubbish is just typical of ireland................no one is accountable..................everyone pats eachother on the back............when a mistake happens well then its someone elses fault.........maybe we deserve all this sh ite
bennocelt
If Stan walks he doesn't get the rest of his contract as a pay off. If he's sacked he's entitled to a payout of around 1,000,000 Euro. What would you do in those circumstances?
You're wasting your breath. They've already said that they'd thumb their noses up at 800K and do the "honourable" thing. Easy to say in print of course but there is no way most sensible people would do such a thing when they face another 30 years without a job!! Lots of moral high horses around :rolleyes:
On a totally different issue, what was the Cypriot sent off for in the last minute? Was at the game but didn't see the incident and haven't seen any replay on tv.
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Originally Posted by OwlsFan
He is a multi millionasire and has significant property interests. He did very nicely out of football and invested wisely.
He must have known from very early on he was not up to the job particularly after the shambles in Nicosia.
He could have negotiated a payoff then. If you hang on and force the issue then you can hardly moan about the media and fans etc.
He could have negotiated a payoff a year ago, taken a decent figure and left with dignity.
Now he won't be remembered as the player who played 102 times for his country and went to 3 world cups. He'll be the incompetent clueless muppet who remained in charge of our national team too long and made it a laughing stock.
It may be at a different level but in a previous company a former colleague who had been made redundant twice before got himself a new job in the early stages of things going pear shaped. He said you earn every penny of your redundancy money. I was never made redundant but given what subsequently transpired would tend to agree.
gspain , i heard that he was financially in a bit of a pickle before the fai hired him. if i was him i would wait until i was sacked as well. it is a serious amount of cash to be walking away from regardless of whether he is a millionaire or not.
Its probably why the FAI hired him.
Stan:Hey John, you dont have any good jobs coming up in the FAI. I will do anything really put out a few cones etc.
John D: Ahh Stan, we do indeed have a job for you. How about managing the Senior Team
Stan: Does that mean I am the gaffer. Jesus I am bamboozled John.
John D: Good word Stan,good word.
I've read somewhere (I must have bought 5 or 6 papers for the plane home in the hope that an official source had confirmed Stan was on his way!!) that it was for spitting at Kilbane. I suppose if we'd won 3 or 4 nil it would have got more column inches.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I was at the game too but actually saw the incident. The scumbag spat at Kilbane and Kevin was fit to burst him - don't know how he refrained from clocking him one!Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
...you do like using that 'high horse' analogy OwlsFan:D
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Originally Posted by Armando
:o I do. It amuses me that some people here would claim that if they weren't doing a good job for Ireland, they'd resign with no prospect of future work of any sort rather than get a hand out of €800k - all for the good of the country. The trouble is that (a) people seldom think they're doing a bad job and believe everyone else is at fault and (b) no matter how much money you have, 800k is not to be sneezed at especially if you've no prospect of employment for the next 30 years, not even putting the cones out at Walsall.
The madness was giving him a 4 year contract and he's entitled, just as anyone else is, to be paid if the other party severs the contract.
Problem is that, unlike the rest of us, he doesn't need to work for the next 30 years. Makes a big dent in your argument.
Also, he could work if he wanted to.
Like I give a f. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
He promised us a Ferrari, and delivered a Lada.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
He made £1 million recently just be refinancing some property deals. I wouldn't mind being in a pickle like that. Word has it a "friend" was in the same property deal although he probably said "et tu brutus" to him on Thursday.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
How do you know all this?Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
It's the rumor going around, I've heard it as well but I have no idea if it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Praha
A rumour with a bit of embellishment presented as fact, standards please ladies.
Yup, I heard it from a taxi driver though, which probably guarantees it's not true...Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet