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Originally Posted by citizenerased
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Thats his bebo usernameQuote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
The kid obviously has problems, and if being close to his personal support network (councillors or whatever) helps him more than being away from that for 10 days so be it. McGrath is the most obvious example where supporters took a compasionate view of what was going on, and continue to do. Is it that people can more readily comprehend alcoholism rather than mental problems?
Real problem is the fact that Staunton named him in the squad in the first place if he knew he didn't want to come, and then created this storm around the player again. The cynic in me would suggest it's convenient that it shifts all talk about these games now being meaningless, his failure to call up certain players and now gives him an out if we get hammered.
I wish this would just stop so I'm not forced to defend a blue untc time and again!
He played for city the last few weeks so whats wrong with him. I suppose if I was getting 50000 a week i would just about be able to play for my club.
I think that's an important point and helps explain a lot of the compassionless posts on this thread. Richie Sadlier had a good article in the Sindo this week, with the headline revealing the main point; Envious friends make it hard to admit that your love for the game is not what it used to be. Just because you would love to do something another person has rejected does not entitle you to lambast them, especially if you don't know their reasons for the decision. None of us know what, if anything, is going on in Ireland's mind so I for one won't be directing any ire towards him.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
As more of an aside, two people quite close to me who had mental problems but were reasonably ok suffered breakdowns when they went on holidays - ie out of their familiar surroundings for an extended period. It may be the case that Ireland was advised against travelling for this reason.
At most 1 night away in their games since the last internationals - certainly not 10 nights away.Quote:
Originally Posted by KildareRed
Stephen Ireland is an average player in the team. On the plus side he scores goals but he does very little else. He is benefitting from playing in a good City side but that has little to do with him. Most impartial opinion is that it is largely down to a good defence and Elano/Petrov.
I dont mind him pulling out doe to psychological issues. However I am annoyed that he can still play regularly for his club. He doesnt seem to fear doing himself justice there. That combined with his under-age boycott and his behaviour last time (lying twice about dead granny's) says he is not all that committed.
That would be fine if he was McGrath (or even Richard Dunne). But I dont believe we should persist with him when he is not even a clear first team choice. We are in danger of becoming the Stephen Ireland show.
why has our national team become such a farce? why are players even having to make statements? could they not just have dropped him from the squad or had him pull out with a knock. Its become such a pathetic soap opera. Why does staunton feel the need for explanations like this when he couldnt be bothered explaining why this campaign is a complete write off already with 3 games remaining.
Wsan't Gerry McDermott hired to do PR?
This forum alone poses so many questions that need answering on an ongoing basis and yet confusion continues to reign at every opportunity. It's clear that one of the obvious Saipan lessons hasn't been learnt.
Is this guy for real. Why would we give him abuse. We are not scum like England we can distinguish between family and the importance of an Ireland game. Id tell him either play in this game or you will never play for Ire again ya little twirp!!
Well if this is the case then he could at least have the bottle to come out and say this rather than hiding behind lame excuses like he has done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
It's just one thing after another with this lad and my patience has run out with him and if he's not careful his former agents prediciton of his demise before he is 25 may come through!!
You Ireland fans crack me up:
"You can't call him a disgrace, you don't know him"
Swiftly followed by:
"He obviously has personal issues"
:rolleyes:
He is a disgrace, a coward and a liar and he's is pi$$ing all over ye.
But shur the worse you treat some people the more they'll kiss your ar$e :rolleyes:
Pathetic.
Only the Oirish public would tolerate such nonsense
Btw comparing the stupid, selfish little pr**k to McGrath is borderline sick IMO
I find this attitude slightly bemusing. I'm not suggesting he's a great player but he certainly has all the attributes to make him a vital player for us in years to come (if he chooses to come back).Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
I could understand that comment if he was 27 but he has only just turned 21 and has probaly not evn touched on his potential.
Lets look at the facts. He's 21 and can only get better. He has scored 4 goals in 6 internationals. By Sven's own admission he is an important member of a Man City team that is playing it's best football in years and occupying it's highest league position in years. Yet we slate him for being average??
God help any other young players coming through if they're not automatically one of the best players on the planet.:rolleyes:
Well if anyone has even watched just the highlights on MOTD of his performances for city-he's been absolutely outstanding for them. And Ercisson would not have him near that team if he wasnt up for the job. The whole thing smacks of brutal man management from staunton and a lack of balls from Stephen Ireland.
Yes he lost a baby that is terrible but if it had really been affecting his work life theres no way he would be playing so well for city. I'm very disappointed, we really needed the little fu cker this week.
I also don't buy any cr@p about players in the ireland camp slagging him off-and i mean has the camp even had a session since he announced he was outta there? very annoyed :mad:
He didnt want to play under Kerr because Kerr brought him over from Manchester promising that he would be building team around him for the competition and then not playing him, dropping him out of squad completly, to play all his english boys and Dublin buddies and not only that the match was sold in Cobh on the basis that he would be playing, as there was at least a couple of thousand in his home town that night paid in to see him playing.We saw him playing all right with his bag over his shoulder outside the dressing room after getting shafted by Kerr....Get your facts right buddy before you judge people.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Jesus, talk about one sided. According to Kerr he made no such promises and Ireland walked out in a huff when he wasn't named as a starter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambler1
Its clear now who was telling the truth...
Stephen Ireland, Roy Keane, Eddie O'Sullivan......spot the connection ;)
If Ireland has mental problems according to some of the muppets on here then why after half a dozen caps are they only causing such a serious problem now that he can't even force himself to show up for an International squad? Don't be so naive you plonkers isn't it far more likely that he's not showing up because:
a) He's afraid of any criticism he was likely to get from the fans after his last episode.
b) We are now definitely out of Euro2008 so he's probably not that bothered.
c) He was probably told he wouldn't be starting anyway and as per Kerr a few years ago has gone off into one of his tantrums.
His serious mental problems obviously haven't affected him at Manchester City in the slightest or in any of the previous international caps he's accumulated.
Ireland is a 100% plonker and the epitome of what's wrong with footballers in this day and age. He caused trouble at youth level and he's been causing trouble in his short career at senior level. Wake up and smell the sh*te including that wally from Cobh above and stop trying to ignore or explain away this obvious fact with pure speculative dribble.
Lucky he's pretty sh*te anyway or we'd be in trouble. We get overrun everytime he plays in the midfield. At least Stan the dunce will now be forced to start with A Reid.
P.S. Why do people from Cork all have to support each other even when it's clear one of them is in the wrong? Do they really think everyone else in Ireland has it in for them? As a Dub I can state that nobody in Dublin I ever met could care less about Cork so it continues to elude me as to where a large percentage of them got these chips on their shoulders from.
Why do people from Dublin have to make sweeping generalisations?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Sorry that should read. Why do a large number of people from Cork.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Good Son
Mental Illness or not,either way it look's like he has no interest in playing for his country.As far as I can recall he just appeared out of the blue a couple of seasons ago playing for Man City . Their fans appeared to rate him and regularly shouted '' Ireland for England'' during the games. Maybe this is what fcuked him up.
Its a shame because he is a good player with the potential to get better but i think it will be a long time before we see him in an Irish top again if ever.
Given the info that has come out overnight I think it's clear that he's having big personal problems & being away from a stable environment is the last thing he needs. I saw nowhere, explicit or implicit, that he has no interest in playing for his country.Quote:
Originally Posted by FarBeag
This is a really badly handled PR balls up yet again. The initial statement brought a lot of criticism then the subsequent info on counselling and personal problems etc. provided some justification & grounds for compassion. Man City's media people are obviously far more sophisticated than the FAI's.
All the guy is receiving on here now is widespread vitriol. I think there's sufficient room for doubt and sufficient info for all to back off for now.
The comment I find intriguing was in the Indo where Dunne is alleged to have had words with him and found the response "exasperating". What was that supposed to mean / imply?
The rumours about disharmony in the Indo are worth getting to the bottom of. I hate the innnuendo - get straight out with it man! It may help hasten Stan's departure as squad morale was seemingly his biggest selling point at the start.
Are you Irish?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
According to Kerr !!...Did 'according to Kerr' know that Kerr convinced Man City Manager Kevin Keegan over the phone as to what an integral part he had to play in the competition...did according to Kerr know that he was dropped for the first game (not even named on the bench) dropped for the second game ...and yes then went home before he could be dropped for the last one and spare the embarassement of walking around with your kit bag like a langer for all 3 games in front of your home town who had paid to get in and see you ......did 'according to Kerr' know that Kerr personally travelled to manchester to explain after why he shafted him..... Do u know the truth ...cause I do and theres lots more that guys like you will never know but still judge based on some statement from someone covering their arse....have all of ye people out there who say he should never play again ever been in a major crisis point in your life ...and and if so how have u done...was football on the top of your agenda at that time or was it near to bottom of the list....ye make me sick all ye so called experts who talk a great game ...Most of ye are the reason Kerr got the boot and now ye are not happy either with Staunton ... serves ye right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Give the guy a break and act like adults for a change.Theres a reason for it and its not up to you or me to decide if the reason is valid or not...As for does he care about Ireland ?...Well what do ye experts think ?....Is he not one of the few Irish players who ran themselves into the ground for the Irish cause and did the job of the forwards in doing so...or maybe ye have conveniently forgotten all that....doesnt care about Ireland!!!...Give me a break
I think what would bother most people about the situation is not the fact that he feels unable to play for his country rather the fact that he has just signed a new contract at city & is playing out of his skin for them.
Doesn't seem to to be the actions of someone in turmoil. However, if he does indeed have demons that he needs to confront, then he should be left alone to do so.
Your young alright...and thickQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
A clever and well constructed argument from the Cobh gentleman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambler1
Maybe the kit draws attention to his extremely dodgy barnet.... Nah everything does.
Shame no gentlemen support Bohs !Quote:
Originally Posted by btid1
Beating up four old men and a woman, brave fellas !:rolleyes:
Ya just giving the previous post the respect it deserves....none..If we want to start slagging one another off then Im as good as dishing out insults as anyone....Quote:
Originally Posted by btid1
and according to official statements from himself, his manager and his clubQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
because he never had to deal with a girlfriend suffering a miscarriage after any of those caps? (don't want to appear insensitive or flippant to anyone who's suffered a miscarriage here, if my statement offends you then I'm sorry)Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
possibly, although I'd like to see you walk out in front of 80,000 people ready and waiting to criticise youQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
we're not definitely out, we're more than likely outQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Unlikely, apart from his debut, he's started every game he's been in the squad forQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Brian Kerr was as much to blame IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
he's so sh*te he's our top scorer in the qualifiers? And scored the winning goal in 2 of the qualifiers?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
And if you're going to try and start an argument, try to back it up with facts, the word "probably" has no place in any convincing argument.
Finally, attack the post, not the poster. We are none of us "plonkers" or "muppets".
Ya great sporting brains....and earning more then you at a living..Im sure Ill think of a few more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
i have noticed that alot of posts are being erased by dahamsta including one of which was my own when i defended ireland in relation to a claim he had 4 kids already. is this a touchy subject dahamsta
im not taking a pot shot i understand that the forum needs moderation my post was a fact and i know it is a fact as i know him and his family not too well but more than alot here, well at least i used to know him.
im from his home town and i think he is doing wrong from what we know! but in all fairness if i was too put half the stories that are heard around here he is a serioulsy messed up boy and not in a spoilt brat sort of way to be honest i expect him to have a break down pretty soon the way he's getting so much media attention wouldnt be surprised if something may happen in the not too distant future.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Very clever and you know that no gentlemen support Bohs how exactly?!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldini98
Back to your barstool!
:D Anyone who thinks Stephen Ireland is a sporting brain must be drinking water from the Lee!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambler1
I hate ppeople who look at depression like this. Sebastian Deisler was one of Europes best midfielders until he suffered depression, it effectivly ruined his career. Money cannot save a person from depression or prevent them from suffering it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Dunne
This was over a month ago and it didn't stop him turning out for any of his recent Man City games so your argument doesn't hold water.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I seriously doubt 80,000 people will be slagging him. A small minority may have given him some slight abuse as a result of him lying stupidly in the first place at a crucial point in our qualification. And yes, if I had been silly enough to put myself in the same situation I would be prepared to face a few of the fans and their frustration instead of just making the whole thing worse by hiding and waiting until everything blows over.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
We are out in everything but a mathematical sense even if you would like to think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Until he ran out last month. Possibly this could change things. Maybe Stan decided to keep Reid in the team. Who knows? Not me but it's far more likely than Ireland having a rare but severe mental disorder that doesn't affect his club career in the slightest but only rears it's head when he has to play an International match.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Who cares? We've been overrun in midfield in every game he's been involved in and conceeded goals on many occasions that have cost us results. I'd rather have a player in midfield that sticks his foot in and gets involved in the game rather than a plonker that pops up occasionally with a goal but does nothing for the other 89 minutes of the match.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
If someone seriously believes Steven Ireland has a severe mental problem that only affects him when travelling to International games but isn't a problem when travelling sometimes greater distances for away matches at club level then they are indeed a gullible plonker.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
This doesnt excuse anything. he scored against Slovakia buyt after mcgeady was the worst player on the pitch. Too often he has completly disapeared while playing central midfield. Dont let his scoring record take away from his poor all round play. I felt really sorry for Carsley in Bratislava trying to do the job of two men in central midfieldQuote:
he's so sh*te he's our top scorer in the qualifiers? And scored the winning goal in 2 of the qualifiers?
You should be used to defending yourself after all everyone is against you aren't they being from Cork in all? When is your new book coming out 'Stephen Ireland - The Sun Shines out of your Arse?'Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambler1
Is it an autobiography?
Thats Right...he is only our top scorer after all....thats says it all really.....dont play him for Ireland again....he'd be so lucky with some of the "expert" posts on him here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram