Czech Republic 1-0 Ireland post match discussion thread

Worst ref ever. Hunts red card was a worse decision than Kilbanes red card last week for wigan and that was bad. Oh and has been confirmed whether Jankolovski was booked twice. I hope he was because that means that the ref will never be allowed to ref an international match again. I wouldn't wish that ref on anyone even the English.
P.S- Fair play to Scotland. Great win away from home.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

How did Azerbaijan do?

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Cancelled due to civil war with Armenia

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Originally Posted by SkStu

i never once said that "we are the only fans". What absolute garbage. I said that we cannot rely on the Premiership to develop our players anymore. A solution to that problem is to invest in and develop our domestic game so we can develop our own players and have our teams (with majority Irish born players) qualifying for Champions League and so on and so on. To do that we need 1) Government investment 2) FAI to ensure this happens and apply it professionally and 3) Irish people to start supporting their local team.

If you cant agree with even the jist of what i stated then you are thick and deserve to be hurting tonight and you will be for years to come.

edit: BB, how good would it be for the Irish international team if we had 10-15 Irish born players to cheer for in the CL every year than just Finnan and O'Shea? Actually forgetting the international team for a second, the most simple question is how good would it feel for us soccer fans to have 10-15 irish CL players to cheer on each year??

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i'm thick, and i'm hurtin. One question. do you think you wll see the day when irish lads will say "no im grand thaks mr. coppel, i'd rather stay at home and play for bray wanderers, because i'm still learning the game like, ........but thanks to reading for ther interest....fux sake - will you climb out of yor flask and smell the real world.....irish giovenment, eu, fai, local football. get a grip. talent lads will go to england, get over it - and forget anbout the FAS course to save the irish game.

If you cant see how improving the national league would benefit the national team you need to lie down

youre totally missing the point. Its a waste of time arguing with you if you dont even understand the point being made.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

youre totally missing the point. Its a waste of time arguing with you if you dont even understand the point being made.

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tell me your point in one line then, and i'll reposnd.

respond even... : )

Sums it all up here...:(

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Originally Posted by billybunter

tell me your point in one line then, and i'll reposnd.

respond even... : )

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how good would it be for the Irish international team if we had 10-15 Irish born players to cheer for in the CL every year instead of 1 or 2?

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Originally Posted by soccerc

As Liam Brady cuttingly pointed out it's not the FAi but one man:D

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well done liam

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Originally Posted by SkStu

its not unfair. We get what we deserve. As a country we deserve no success as we simply do not give a sh1t about Irish football. I know this probably isnt the time or the place but Irish people need to get up off their fat lazy arses and start supporting domestic club soccer if they want international success anytime in the next 20 years. The influx of foreigners to the premiership is killing our hopes of allowing English football to develop our players. The government with our "soccer mad taoiseach" needs to invest in domestic soccer. The FAI needs to ensure this happens. The Irish people need to get up and start being real football supporters. If the domestic game thrives, the international team thrives.

Look at our players - in the past there would be no Celtic fringe (occasionally good) player like McGeady near the squad, there would be no League One player in the squad - Jack and Mick barely played Championship players ffs. We can not rely on the Premiership anymore

Stan is not the problem. He shouldnt be there but he is not the problem. Irish football is ROTTEN from the inside out. From the FAI to the barstool.

The solution? It will take years no matter what direction it goes. My suggestion - start supporting the domestic game. Not just the barstoolers - EVERYONE - the Govt., the FAI, everyone. Sure we may finish third seeds this time round but its not going to be any better next time round.

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I think you're being naive if you believe that by supporting the domestic game, it will lead to a better international team. You'd need every man, woman and child going out at the weekend to support their local eircom league sides to even have a chance of competing against the big leagues of Europe. Unfortunately its a fact that most if not all of our best talent will end up in bigger leagues and to develop into top class internationals, that is exactly where they need to be. If you look at the greatest players that have ever played football, apart from Pele who retired in the 70s, all of them have played in the big leagues.

You are absolutely right about supporting our domestic game, but it's not the formula for guaranteeing success on the international stage.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

how good would it be for the Irish international team if we had 10-15 Irish born players to cheer for in the CL every year instead of 1 or 2?

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point after point still noone is gettin your point, clueless

The alternative is, of course, Irish players could try and go to other top European leagues. Countries like Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Poland etc don't have leagues that are that strong. They rarely have teams in the group stages of the CL. But instead you find their players playing all across the top leagues in Europe.

I think if more Irish players played on the continent we would have a stronger team. The premier league, for all the hype and excitement, is not a very technical league, I'd argue the Bundesliga, French League, Serie A and Spanish League all breed a more technical set of players.

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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

The alternative is, of course, Irish players could try and go to other top European leagues. Countries like Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Poland etc don't have leagues that are that strong. They rarely have teams in the group stages of the CL. But instead you find their players playing all across the top leagues in Europe.

I think if more Irish players played on the continent we would have a stronger team. The premier league, for all the hype and excitement, is not a very technical league, I'd argue the Bundesliga, French League, Serie A and Spanish League all breed a more technical set of players.

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We should try a long term plan to keep them here though, i do see your point though

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Originally Posted by The Swordsman

I think you're being naive if you believe that by supporting the domestic game, it will lead to a better international team. You'd need every man, woman and child going out at the weekend to support their local eircom league sides to even have a chance of competing against the big leagues of Europe. Unfortunately its a fact that most if not all of our best talent will end up in bigger leagues and to develop into top class internationals, that is exactly where they need to be.

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You give me that spiel - and I'll show you Croatia, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Sweden, Belgium, Russia, and the Czechs

All have pretty well supported National Leagues - and decent top class players - majority of which still play, or have had long stints playing for clubs in their own National Leagues

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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

How Did Azerbaijan do?

Cancelled due to civil war with Armenia

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<pedantry>
A war between 2 countries isn't a civil war
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Back to the point, did somebody give the Ireland players the wrong kick off time for tonight, because they didn't show up until there was half an hour gone?

I'm all for long term plans, but a short/medium term one is needed too, otherwise football is in real danger of being sent into irreversible decline...

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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

I'm all for long term plans, but a short/medium term one is needed too, otherwise football is in real danger of being sent into irreversible decline...

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if the fai was up to it we'd have both but we all know they havent a clue

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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

The alternative is, of course, Irish players could try and go to other top European leagues. Countries like Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Poland etc don't have leagues that are that strong. They rarely have teams in the group stages of the CL. But instead you find their players playing all across the top leagues in Europe.

I think if more Irish players played on the continent we would have a stronger team. The premier league, for all the hype and excitement, is not a very technical league, I'd argue the Bundesliga, French League, Serie A and Spanish League all breed a more technical set of players.

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absolutely but its very easy to say, not so easy to do.

Ok, lets look at it this way.

The Way it is:
Promising young Irish player, has no options at home so goes to english team. Gets coached by english coach with english mentality. Maybe he gets lucky and breaks into the team but usually they dont. He has learnt how to play "the english way". Stays in England because 1) his style is suited to their game and 2) not technically good enough for a foreign league to be interested in. Kid usually drops down the leagues and comes home.

The Way it could be:
Promising young irish player has come through the FAI academy, based on Ajax (for the sake of argument) model. Irish teams competing regularly in europe with some degree of success so he decides to stay at home. His team qualifies for UEFA Cup or CL and the kid is noticed by Lyon or Bremen or whoever. Irish club gets decent offer and kid goes to Ligue 1, Bundesliga or whatever. The player, the FAI and the club all benefit leading to more investment etc etc

Think the Scandanavian way.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

absolutely but its very easy to say, not so easy to do.

Ok, lets look at it this way.

The Way it is:
Promising young Irish player, has no options at home so goes to english team. Gets coached by english coach with english mentality. Maybe he gets lucky and breaks into the team but usually they dont. He has learnt how to play "the english way". Stays in England because 1) his style is suited to their game and 2) not technically good enough for a foreign league to be interested in. Kid usually drops down the leagues and comes home.

The Way it could be:
Promising young irish player has come through the FAI academy, based on Ajax (for the sake of argument) model. Irish teams competing regularly in europe with some degree of success so he decides to stay at home. His team qualifies for UEFA Cup or CL and the kid is noticed by Lyon or Bremen or whoever. Irish club gets decent offer and kid goes to Ligue 1, Bundesliga or whatever. The player, the FAI and the club all benefit leading to more investment etc etc

Think the Scandanavian way.

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Exactly

The first step has to be to get kids playing 5- or 7-a-side games on small pitches rather than having them slogging around on full-sized mudbaths trying to kick a ball that comes up to their knees.

They already do

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Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

The first step has to be to get kids playing 5- or 7-a-side games on small pitches rather than having them slogging around on full-sized mudbaths trying to kick a ball that comes up to their knees.

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are ya mad?? the first step is to sack Staunton and then murder O'Shea!! ;) :D seriously though i couldnt agree more with that statement.

by the way, when a Bohs fan and a Rovers fan agree on something its usually right! ;)

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Originally Posted by SkStu

are ya mad?? the first step is to sack Staunton and then murder O'Shea!! ;) :D seriously though i couldnt agree more with that statement.

by the way, when a Bohs fan and a Rovers fan agree on something its usually right! ;)

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ha ha at least some sense is said, but serouisly my brothers have a chance of being something decent an i dont wanna see them wasted im pushin them to go to rovers than overseas i think itll benefit them in the long run

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

You give me that spiel - and I'll show you Croatia, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Sweden, Belgium, Russia, and the Czechs

All have pretty well supported National Leagues - and decent top class players - majority of which still play in their own National Leagues

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Firstly, it's not spiel - just my opinion. I'm entitled to it, just like you.

Those countries are very like us - they don't always qualify for the major competitions. Invariably, when they do, their best players are usually playing in the big leagues.

It would be great if we could keep our top players playing here, but do you think that if McGrath,Keane, Brady and Giles had stayed in Ireland and played their entire careers in the LOI that they would be considered legends now.

Its late and maybe I'm missing the point, but if that's the case the point should be better made. No one has demonstrated here how a better supported league in this country would lead to a better international side.

I agree fully with the Ajax comparison, look at France, didnt qulaify in USA94 they went on built an acadamy and won the thing 4 years later.

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Originally Posted by The Swordsman

Its late and maybe I'm missing the point, but if that's the case the point should be better made. No one has demonstrated here how a better supported league in this country would lead to a better international side.

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Better support from public and Government = more money, improved grounds and training facilities
Creating a better standard League, Better players to come out of the league
More Kevin Doyles, Paul Mc Graths, Roy Keanes. etc etc
Better international team
Its not rocket science

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Originally Posted by The Swordsman

No one has demonstrated here how a better supported league in this country would lead to a better international side.

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if you had read my posts you would know that its not just an argument about supporting the league. Its a number of factors including proper support of the league that will lead to a better national side. Support of the league will forllow if the correct structures are in place. Just one thing needs to change in order to do this.

Namely, the Govt., the FAI and the "football fans" in this country need to realise that we have the potential to shape our own destiny by using the domestic League as the vehicle for international success. And they should start doing that TODAY. well its a bit late today.. so... TOMORROW!

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Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile

People are forgetting thats it is not Stans fault. the root of the problem is a certain Mr Delaney of Merrion Square.

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How the **** can you come out with rubbish like that? Yes, of course Delaney is responsible for the appointment of Stan, bu thow can you blame him for picking the team, tactics, substitutions etc???

Because, according to Delaney's judgment, Stan is a world class manager.

Clearly he was wrong and should be held accountable.

Dunphy's an idiot. He never has anything good to say about anyone. every now and again, a person or sitaution will come along that you also have nothing good to say about, but that doesn't mean Dunphy's right when he disagrees with them.

Always said Staunton should never have been offered the job, but in his position, I'd have taken it. Blame lies further up, at Delaney.

That said, I actuslly think the last two (away) games have been a vast improvement on what went before.

Surely Irish people should support England and get it over with? We follow their clubs, speak their language, drink their beer, watch their TV, accept their media spin and live in their shops. What is there left to concede?

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

Fooking Scotland winning 1-0 in Paris!!! We've far better players than them, but they've a good manager :mad:

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Scotland team v france:
Gordon,
Hutton, McManus, Weir, Alexander,
McCulloch, Ferguson, Fletcher, Brown, Hartley,
McFadden
Subs: O'Connor, Pearson, McGregor, McEveley, Caldwell, Boyd, Maloney.

Ireland v czechs:
Given,
o'shea, McShane, Dunne, kelly
McGeady, Carsley, Reid, Kilbane,
Doyle, Keane
Subs: Colgan, Hunt, Keogh, Douglas, Gibson, Long, Murphy.

-We have a better goalkeeper
-in defence, don't know hutton, mcmanus and mcshane are around the same, dunne is better than weir and alexander is better than kelly
-mcculloch is better than carsley, ferguson is better than reid, fletcher is better than kilbane, hartley beats mcgeady
-doyle beats brown and keane beats mcfadden

Seriously, until those with influence take a long-term view of Irish football, and I mean IRISH football rather than trying to send kids to Britain in a more streamlined fashion, we're all just wasting our time.
Shake your head. Let's go to bed.

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Originally Posted by feo123

Scotland team v france:


-We have a better goalkeeper
-in defence, don't know hutton, mcmanus and mcshane are around the same, dunne is better than weir and alexander is better than kelly
-mcculloch is better than carsley, ferguson is better than reid, fletcher is better than kilbane, hartley beats mcgeady
-doyle beats brown and keane beats mcfadden

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2 Players on our team tonight would get into the Scots team Dunne and Keane.

The Scots are equal or better in every other position. Brown is probably the best player out of the two teams

Luck of the irish eh? Where did they get that saying out of??? Theres is no fu*king luck - (never has been except the odd time)..and i think i broke my toe kicking the washing machine (only because there is no cat to kick) ask babysis :mad:

Heres to Antartica 2062 World Cup Campaign :rolleyes:

I thought Hunt let his team down tonight with a silly tackle. It might have been harsh but it was a stupid tackle. Dunne again was immense and Andy Reid proved that he can play in midfield. If we have Darren Potter , Darren Gibson, Joey O Brien and Owen Garvan to step in there over the next year we could have a good central midfield. We need a new manager though. I am optimistic about the future of the national team but we need a decent manager in place.

i dont see him applying for the job,i love to see him actually get it then we'd see does he have a real clue about football management.
yes stan should go and john delaney too but dunphy moaned about charlton and mc.carthy too.id just love to see him in that position.im actually gonna email him tomorrow and ask him to apply for the job.

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Originally Posted by Billy Lord

Surely Irish people should support England and get it over with? We follow their clubs, speak their language, drink their beer, watch their TV, accept their media spin and live in their shops. What is there left to concede?

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You are absolutely correct, a work of colleague of mine was going to watch the English match because there was more Spurs players playing for England than Ireland.

On another unrelated point, something I raised before but who in the hell is the guy who is constantly shadowing Staunton 24/7 and almost started a row with the Czech bench after Hunt was sent off.

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Originally Posted by DonO'Bate

You are absolutely correct, a work of colleague of mine was going to watch the English match because there was more Spurs players playing for England than Ireland.

On another unrelated point, something I raised before but who in the hell is the guy who is constantly shadowing Staunton 24/7 and almost started a row with the Czech bench after Hunt was sent off.

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Tony Hickey, Team security head honcho :cool:

Assuming we win our final 3 games :rolleyes: (well I did say miracle :D) then the Czechs need 3 points, here is how they could fail.

Germany Away lose 0 points - likely a 'dead cert'
Slovakia Home draw 1 point - least likely I can only see the Czechs winning
Cyprus Away draw 1 points - fairly likely we lost 3 points there, germany lost 2, they are a decent side at home (so far anyway).

We could also qualify with win win draw, 7 points, if he Czechs lose all their matches. But then again two miracles back to back is asking a bit much.

Actually the Slovikia result which I say is least likely might happen they can run hot or cold as witnessed against Wales where they won 5-1 away yet lost 5-2 at home, they might actually beat the Czechs!

Having said that we will be lucky to get 4 points. But the glimmer of hope is that they struggled against us with 10 men.

Qualification is in our hands lads - unfortunately ;)