Maybe Sunderland fans and Quinne should do a duet of the Sinatra song like Bono and Sinatra did.Quote:
Originally Posted by stampp
Maybe Sunderland fans and Quinne should do a duet of the Sinatra song like Bono and Sinatra did.Quote:
Originally Posted by stampp
Maybe that's the bit I have been missing in this discussion? Maybe many people in Ireland think that his involvement was simply a business decision, therefore why not make a business decision to invest in an Irish club instead? If so, then I believe that does miss the point - I really think this is a personal involvement in one particular club.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
I have to say I've always admired Quinn from afar. He is a very lucky man in that he gets to pursue challenges most of us only dream of aka his interest in the bloodstock industry and his chairmanship of a large football club. He seems to be a very ordinary, affable guy. He is without doubt a great ambassador for Ireland and football in general. He puts his money where his mouth is. He is probably a bit naive compared to some of his piers but I won't knock him for that, as thats not a particularly bad thing to be accused of. He has always served his country well and deserves to persue any interest he cares to. I don't see people here demanding Keane comes back and manages Cobh instead of plying his trade with an English club. In time I think Quinn may well eventually end up in Delaney's job. It might be 10 years away but I think he would be ideal for the job.
I think people like their heroes to have a bit of an edge. Rock stars need to have drink or drug problems, or you need to be like Paul McGrath, Roy Keane etc.
Quinn is a straight-down-the-middle guy and hence that's why he's not as popular as he could be at home I reckon. The fact that he's "one of us" just attracts extra scrutiny too.
Bono can be a bit of a **** alright, but Quinn's just a regular guy who's done well and is articulate and well mannered. His affection for Sunderland is obvious. He says Arsenal and City will always be in his affections but Sunderland was always the club that he really loved. Fair play to him in that regard.
I'd still love to see new Irish money being invested at home. I mean this guy Darragh MacAnthony buying Peterborough - what's that all about? Real estate or football?
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I think he just liked the TV show :eek:
For those who may be interested, with all the Irish connections that exist just now:
The tour, sponsored by Irish airline Aer Arann, who will fly the team during the tour, sees Roy Keane's side take on Bohemians, Cork City and Galway United in a week-long stay in Ireland.
The games take place as follows:
* Saturday July 28 2007, Bohemians FC v Sunderland AFC (7.45pm kick-off)
* Monday July 30 2007, Cork City FC v Sunderland AFC (7.45pm kick-off)
* Wednesday August 1 2007, Galway United FC v Sunderland AFC (8.00pm kick-off)
CCFC have told Sunderland fans to contact their club for tickets.
Some hope.
That will be some love-in :ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by stampp
* Saturday July 28 2007, Bohemians FC v Sunderland AFC (7.45pm kick-off)
Reckon we can take them.
Does anybody else think there is a contradiction on this thread in tems of.............
On one hand...
Quinn and his ilk, and all those Premiership teams are a disgrace because they take fans away from Eircom league teams, fans which we need to improve our league.
But on the other hand...
Anybody who would choose to support a foreign team instead of their local side knows nothing about football and we dont want their support anyway?
Why are you so anti-Quinn? That doesnt make sense BohsPartisan. He is one of the few former internationals who gives some of his hard earned cash to EL clubs. Has he not brought the Sunderland over here to play EL clubs thus actually generating revenue for the clubs? Sunderland probably have plans to play pre-season friendlies here and if/when the make the PL, the games will probably sell out and make a nice chunk of money for the EL club.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Whether you like it or not there is huge potential for Sunderland to make money off the backs of football fans here through merchandise or ticket sales. Thats not his fault, surely?
Also like it or not, those Sunderland 'irish' fans are your target audience and are the exact people your club needs to attract to grow!! I sincerely hope the powers that be in your club dont also have the same chip on their shoulder as you or your gonna be left lagging behind.
While I am a big fan of Niall Quinns, don't forget that Sunderland are charging a hefty appearance fee to play in these friendliesQuote:
Originally Posted by reder
Hefty, how does it compare with with the fee they would charge if they decided to play Celtic, Rangers or one of the big euro clubs in a friendly? I'd image its a fraction of what that would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumac
I'm sure there coming over here is nothing to do with raising the club's profile here. I'm sure they have the eircom League clubs welfare at heart!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumac
Your cynicism is in hyperdrive here CB I'm afraid !Quote:
Originally Posted by charliesboots
Firstly - whilst the Stadium of Light (SOL) is on an approach road into the city and is fairly central, it's not as great a plot of land as you might think. It was a colliery before it became the stadium, and they weren'tt exactly flushed with ideas on what to do with the site. Sunderland actually wanted to build their new stadium elsewhere in the city in the first place anyway. And whilst there is a Metro station there - it's a new station only there because of the Stadium, and it doesn't serve much of a catchment area otherwise.
Secondly - you're making a lazy assumption that any football stadium is ripe for property development. In reality, very few are. The key thing that would make the SOL a poor property proposition is the fact that it is only 10 years old, is extremely modern, has good infrastructural access, was designed specifically so that it can be increased in size quite easily, and is in a relatively isolated little chunk of land (being a former colliery). The usual trick for developers is to distress-purchase the stadium of a struggling club (which Sunderalnd aren't) in a prime bit of land (which SOL isn't) that isn't up to the job or aspirations of the club in terms of capacity, modernity or infrastructure (which SOL is) and then make a case to supporters and planners that it is in the club's interest to move to a new location. Omne where land is dramatically cheaper.
If you tried to suggest to anyone in Sunderland, let alone the local Planning Authority, that the club needed to move out of the SOL you'd be literally laughed at. There are no grounds on which to justify moving the stadium, and as a resuilt it woudl have the support of neitehr fans nor the Planners who have the final say on it.
So there is no property deal to be done there, and to claim there is is just pure cynicism, ungrounded in the reality of the situation there.
Tell me about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Think I'll pass.
Reading game will be more of it.
At least we'll get a few bob.
English and Scottish clubs don't visit Ireland out of the goodness of their heart - in some Robin Hood-esque gesture to pump money into the teams they play.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder;
They come purely for self-interest, are usually very well paid for it, and I have no doubt benefit more financially overall from their visits than the Irish clubs who host them do. *
Don't try to paint them out as being heroes for playing friendles, when they're clearly not.
(* Unless, of course, you're a glamour club like Derry City, with the ability to pull in top names like Man U, Celtic, Barcelona and Real Madrid for friendlies at no cost to yourselves....... :D )
I disagree. They were the type of fan Shelbourne tried to attract and it didn't really work out. Our main target audience are the people who have an allegience to Bohs but don't really bother going to Dalymount much, plus kids to build a fanbase in the future. On top of that you can add anyone else untainted by anti-el prejudice. I am blue in the face trying to convince Premiership fans (most of them, I am well aware many EL fans also follow an English side, me included) but all I get back is quips like "the EL is shoite" and the like. The type of fan that will jump so easilly from one bandwagon to the next is not the type of fan you can build with the future. That was why I made the point about Shels in the deportivo game. 20 odd thousand game out for that one. You could see the creases still on their straight out of the packet Shels jersey. Shels next game was a cup game against Derry I think, the attendance was less than 500.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
Jesus lads keep the talk of this tour down, what with all that was said in the now renamed Niall Quinn thread, Cork, Galway and Bohs could be accused of aiding the scourge of Irish football. And we thought Michael Collins got rid of all the Brit informers all those decades ago :p
One of the men involved in the Drumaville consortium (and in fact the only man with real money) is Sean Mulryan of Ballymore Properties despite it being denied.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
It is not a lazy assumption on my part Steve I have actually heard from people very close to Mulryan that he has plans to develop the land surrounding the stadium.
You, in fact, are assuming that any development would involve the demolition of the SOL, that is quite frankly ridiculous. I have also visited the land myself so no need to bring me up to speed.
The plan will involve a mixed development of residential, retail and office units. Planning is not seen to be an issue given that the area is served by the metro (linking it directly with Newcastle and the airport among other areas) and the road infrastructure as mentioned.
The land surrounding the stadium was one of the primary reasons for the takeover although Mulryan was also influential in Keane agreeing to become manager.
Now you've lost me - why?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
I hope it is developed - it was just derelict land left over from the pit anyway, so why not? If that was the incentive to get Sean Mulryan on board then great - we get our club saved and revitalised, and derelict land developed, providing jobs, housing and an improvement of the area - it's win/win for Sunderland.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliesboots
Absolutely and I'm not saying otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by stampp
I originally just wanted to point out why some of the investors may have invested before Steve went off on one.
we have a few of them. i would imagine either the matches would be played at snails pace as a training session with added cash, or by the u21s. its a pity, because a lot of big-day-out people will reckon thats what city matches are like.Quote:
Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs
I will list out my points in reply to thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
- I have been to Sunderland on a few occassions. Attended Liverpool games at the stadium of light. Never visited Roker Park. For the record, the stadium is fantastic.
Sunderland is a city. Just like Dublin or Liverpool it has its good and not so good areas. Judging by your username you are a Bohemians fan. I would hardly call Summerhill and most of the areas in Dublin's north inner cityQuote:
extremely wealthy and the citizens have at their feet world class cultural, entertainment, recreational opertunities and earn the kind of salaries which would be way above what the average person in Sunderland would even dream
- Blackburn probably have one of the lowest level of attendances in PL. They offer away fans 7,000 tickets per game to try and fill their stadium. Also given that these places are suchand the locals can never beQuote:
provincial dreary ****holes
like the irish natives, I think its quite logical to assume that the ticket prices which is about £30-£35 (€50) is well beyond their means.Quote:
extremely wealthy
- I have deleted the paragraph regarding the BNP & chip butties as it is pathetic.
- I have been to Limerick city and its actually nice, got pick pocketed on Las Ramblas in Barcelona though unfortunately!!
Also I am up in Dublin for work on 11th May. Was thinking catching a game. Lets hope Bohs are not playing cos it very obvious im not welcome there!
I only have one more thing to say on this issue. I went to browse the Bohs site to see what the club actually stands for cos I have gotten a very dark picture of it from this thread.
You will not believe what is on the index page.
Comments are very welcome on this one
Sunderland friendly will be the official opening of our new stand. Better to have all the ceremony and photos and rubbish at a friendly i feel than distract the players from a league game. Club will hopefully make a few euro out of it as well.
Isn't this the definition of trolling? Anyway considering your a Bohs fan, and you seem to know what is the essence of a scummy city, than how come you've never been to our fair capital, which has the roughest, scummiest areas of all Irish cities?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
Roy Keane Cork ...Cork people Roy keane big love in there. I wouldnt be shocked if someone said it was sold out now.Quote:
Originally Posted by stampp
Tho should be Homecoming tour :D
kdjac
Boh_so_good ! What a wind-up merchant! :D
As reder says, it's a city. It depends what you want.
The price for tickets at the SOL is £19 in the corners and £24 in the main stands. Since the average home gate is over 30,000 this year and the last match had over 40,000, I'd hesitate to guess the prices are NOT beyond the reach of the local fans!
And the old site of Roker Park is now a surpisingly small cluster of private houses.
I see the Bohemians are playing "Galway United" this weekend and Cork are away in a place called Bray. Anyone know if either of these clubs have Irish connections, as I may consider attending if so? :confused:
Ah. Aye - should be a bit of a party. If I had any money I'd get over myself - a few years since I was in Cork.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdjaC
I hear Galway have a player from St Vincent, so I think they are from St Vincent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
I know we do it a lot during the summer. They are great little money-makers. Unfortunately, nowadays football is a business.Quote:
Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs
You're more than welcome at Dalyer reder. Think we're at home to either UCD or Longford on that date anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
Wow, a whole post of 100% solid garbageQuote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
Well done :rolleyes:
Have to give you on that one. Fair play to Quinn & co. Certainly make the games accessible for locals. Very rare the level of ticket price in the uk for a big club I can tell you. But Blackburn etc charge £35 -ish for category A game which would be very expensive if a da or was taking the kids along as well every game. Bolton (down the road from Blackburn) charge £39 and £42 for a category A game and there are always plenty of spare seats cos its way outside the reach of the locals.Quote:
Originally Posted by stampp
Wigan charge £30 but the stadium is half empty for a completely different reason.
I have never liked friendlies.
City v Sunderland is being run by the MFA and revenue used to pay for new turnstiles. Ticket prices will not be increased if at all.
For CCFC friendlies we should charge as much as can get away with fleece the barstoolers as only opportunity to get money off them. I don't think people attending a friendly have any interest in the LOI side & few if any will ever even think of returning until next big name friendly.
Wouldn't charging as much as you can alienate the real fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Well, I'm not even going.
Whatever about the Reading match, City were merely invited to fulfil the Turners Cross fixture v SundIreland.
I'd doubt if any of the senior team play in that.