Is it a possibility that some of the junior players could finish the season with their club and then join up with L37 at the end of the junior season?
would be the perfect soloution to an imperfect system
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Is it a possibility that some of the junior players could finish the season with their club and then join up with L37 at the end of the junior season?
would be the perfect soloution to an imperfect system
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Originally Posted by gaidin
being robber is a strong statement but i understand where they are coming from.
i don't think they could join up mid season as old keeper said somethign about 21 Feb i think.
It will be tought for the local clubs and they should be contacted by L37 if they want to talk to their players (even out of curtosy). It would be expected if the roles were reversed.
theres no junior player under contract so they are free to go where they please.all the talk of losing players mid season is crap what happens when someone gets injured? did the boro approach corbally when they fleeced them last summer and the summer before i think not
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Originally Posted by see's it
so much for good will between L37 and the junior clubs. L37 can do what they want cause they are the bigger......
the boro signed players in the off season, not in the middle. However i could be wrong
as usual highly informed comment from see it...
how about using that logic with all of the other premier clubs.... how many of the present premier teams can claim that their teams came through their own ranks in the last 15-20 years...i remember when the boro were being slaged off for being too clanish, so now that outside blood joined the clu, it is to be slagged of too.. by the way the ex-corbally players left in the OFF SEASON...and in the next OFF SEASON they might choose to move on and best of luck to them..
see it and his club have an agenda in all this... apologies to any true senior football people.. the boro voted for the lfc37 proposal and still believe in it.. see its club did not...
what is his club ? he seems very pro L37...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by leather
he has claimed to be a man of many clubs, but he is a supporter of one of the big clubs that voted againist lfc37...he is anti all other clubs in football.. he is hiding behind pro lfc37 comments..
to be honest i don't know who voted against L37Quote:
Originally Posted by leather
im using your club as an example leather L37 picked players from the big junior clubs the same way big clubs pick players from the smaller clubs.mid season pre season its all the same maybe the junior transfer window should be pushed out to feb 21st also
Hi All
Lets start at the beginning
Every player has the right to play with whatever team he or she would like to. The PLAYER is the key in all of this as the object is to have players reach their full potential and thereby lift the profile of not only the club they play with but also the clubs that have developed them. This is not just a Junior senior issue as if one was to look at the number of Premier teams who are populated by players who have been developed by that club then you will see that there is a very brisk trade in players from youth up. The issue with the Senior club is that there has always been a difficulty with clubs feeling that the Limerick sides over the years were just cherry picking. But that is what has to happen, If Shelbourne or cardiff approached one of the junior players in town the talk would be "Jases that’s great that the big clubs are looking at our junior league" but if Limerick teams look at the same players they are accused of destroying junior soccer. How many of the junior clubs approach the clubs before transferring a player? is the club contacted by anyone other than the player requesting a transfer? would it not be seen as a problem for the junior clubs who saw an opportunity and signed the young players from LFC and as a result these players cannot now play in the EL with any senior club for 18 months?
Lads we are trying to start afresh here and no Hush Hush Policy exists, the Aim of L37 is to help ALL players to reach their full potential and in my own opinion the clubs who have helped in the development of a player who makes the grade in senior football should be supportive and proud of their efforts and achievements.
Players may be asked to train with L37 FC but NO players have been asked to sign, and any players who have been asked to train have had their clubs notified.
A point to remember is that NO Amateur club has the right to restrict the movement of amateur players, the notification is to be above board and ensure there is transparency in the process. The fact that there have been a number of Junior players who have approached L37 FC is also an issue but one that we have no control over as any player can ask to be considered for the side
Lets be calm as the end result of all this will probably be a max of 2 or 3 players being signed from Junior clubs
I hope this will settle a few worries about the swarms of Junior players preparing to leave Junior clubs.
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Originally Posted by Old keeper
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Originally Posted by the hoops
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This seems to be completely out of order! :mad:
Unless you want to take transfers completely out of the game, it's going to happen!
The alternative to allowing transfers, under certain rules (to make the process somewhat fair), is to have a purely representational system, like the GAA (although even they have a certain amount of leeway built into their system). Many of the currently strong junior clubs would be wiped out instantly if they were prevented from fielding players from outside their catchment areas.
Don't let your own small world vision and lack of ambition hold back the ambition of others.
Why bother posting that. You seem to be only here to attack the poster not contribute in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by the hoops
He said they need to get a transfer before Feb 21st.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goals4fun
But at the end of the junior season are they not free to join another club then? Or would they still be required to get a transfer?
jesus did someone just put a match under ur ass or something? And remember your club made a lot of money from the time limerick played up there so less of the anti senior vibe.Quote:
Originally Posted by the hoops
say goodbye to foot mate :rolleyes:
Hi Hoops
Sorry that you feel the way you do but that is your prerogative, I will if you wish, discuss in private your views.
From your comments you seem to be frustrated and upset, why not try to see the good in things and be part of the group building for the players of tomorrow? I have very strong views and have been told I can be stubborn but I would always listen to the other side and if the other sides argument is persuasive I would then change my views accordingly. That approach has served me well and I don’t see any reason for changing it.
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Originally Posted by gaidin
At the end of the Junior season the players are released by the junior clubs and can sign with anybody.
seven teams voted against,i know 5 for a fact pike,fairview,balla corbally boro plus why all the worry lim37 havent even got in yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Goals4fun
Your Fact Is Incorrect... Boro Voted In Favour Of The Proposal, Your 1st 3 Clubs Voted To Go Back To Their Clubs And Discuss It Again...
The junior complainers are right, I mean just look at Munster and the Limerick club sides. They all hate munster and complain when their players are taken and play for Munster. They won't follow munster and didn't enjoy the euorpean cup win or anything. ;)
they re in the league now anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by the dazzler
You seem keen to name clubs who voted against and your incorrect in some of them but can you name the clubs who voted for? and dont just give a number, name them :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by the dazzler
Why the hell does it seem that all Junior football supporters in Limerick city think that Limerick 37 will be made entirely of players from their clubs?:confused: I don't want the run down the Junior league which is obviously one of the best if not the best in the country but it is a big step from there to the eircom League, even the First Division. I doubt if even a hand-full of players will make into the Limerick 37 team this season. I expect it will mostly comprise of players who have already played senior football at eL standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadend
You'd swear to god that the LDL was the premiership by the way some of the junior brigade go on here. Let's look at a few facts. Firstly, it's a JUNIOR league. Full of average players with little or no technical ability. I can safely say that if Fairview, Pike etc entered the Munster Senior League, or even the FAI Intermediate Cup, they'd be absolutely walloped every week. The LDL is very average lads, get over it!
For anyone who can't fathom this, I'll draw a little diagram for u....
Senior Football
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Non-League Senior Football (MSL, LSL)
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Intermediate Football
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Junior Football
Now dumbasses, can u see the gap between the two? Most players in the Limerick District League wouldn't get on the Rockmount team in Cork, never mind an EL team :rolleyes: As has been already said, at best 2/3 players may sign for Limerick 37. Big deal......Which should be an indication as to where the standard of the LDL really lies. The truth is, if the LDL clubs had any balls or ambition the so called 'big guns' would surely be plying their trade in the Munster Senior League by now. That Fairview team that won a handfull of FAI junior cups - why didn't they have a go at a higher level? No balls, that's why. Cos they knew the level up is a different ball game. It's all well and good being top dog in Limerick and even in the national competition, but the reality is it's the lowest level of football in Ireland. So stop being so narrow minded and get behind senior football in the city - cos our 'big' junior clubs are NEVER going to offer a higher standard of football.....
The one-horse-town attitude is so pathetic :rolleyes:
so where did limerick fc get ross cosgrove,paddy purcell,brian buckley,tommy barrett,robbie kelleher,john whyte,derek whyte,paul harman,jason purcell,barry ryan from?must be from a junior team with no bottle,take your head out of your arse about limk fc being so far ahead,they have the cream of junior players along with a few decent senior players that train twice a week like every other junior team,if they were that good they wouldn't have spent the last 20 or so years in the first division while practically every other team has gone up.i'm a limerick fan by the way but just find this trashing of junior soccer ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Well Said Lim Abroad..dont Forget Gaga
I thin 4tothefloor is wrong there about the gap between Limerick junior and Munster Senior League. MSL really is just a name given to the highest junior division in Cork. I doubt the best of the "junior" scene in Munster e.g. Limerick, Waterford, Tipp would compete with teh best Cork teams - it is just a name really. There is very little movement between MSL and eL, which you would expect if there was a closer standard.
However I absolutely agree on a big gap between the junior scene (including Limerick junior and MSL) and the eL. There are examples of players making the step but it is a small enough group. The few that do it (e.g. Kelliher, Barrett) don't represent the standard at junior level - they were stand out down there too.
wouldnt disagree with you, and i know im knit picking but Rossi came from waterford and Paddy from Pats. Before that they were with many junior clubs including the view.Quote:
Originally Posted by lim abroad
Heff came from Fairview as well. Five great years of success for that club.
1. Where did I say that Limerick were so far ahead? Never said that. Read the post properly. In fact I think the reason we've been so far behind is because we've basically been playing players of junior standard at EL level, and most of these have come from the LDL.Quote:
Originally Posted by lim abroad
2. Purcell and Rossi didn't come to Limerick from LDL clubs. John Whyte, Derek Whyte, Paul Harman, Jason Purcell, Barry Ryan - read point number 1 :rolleyes: One or two there were good servants and great clubmen, but not up to much on the pitch, which is where it counts. Brian Buckley is ok, nothing special. Tommy and Robbie I'll give you, and Heff. But that's what, 2/3 decent players?? Big deal, you'd expact that anyway from a place the size of Limerick.
3. The MSL isn't just a fancy name. I can guarantee you that the best Limerick junior sides would get tonked by the best MSL sides. Junior sides gain entry in to the Munster Senior cup every season (AFAIK it's the premier champions of each league) and always exit early, very early. Players like Brendan Sweeney, so lauded here by many, was playing in the MSL last season. There is a gap, and it's quite a big one too.
4. Nobody is rubbishing Limerick junior football - Limerick junior football just thinks it's better than it actually is, when it's clearly not. The Tommy Barretts and Robbie Kellihers have no other choice but play Junior, as it's the only level in the city, unlike in Cork, Dublin etc. Their only other option, ie to better themselves is senior soccer with Limerick - so get over it :rolleyes:
think 4th has a fair point here.many outside limerick think the standard is very high in lims junior soccer,bt what has happened is that this is based mostly on f.views success in the f.a.i.....they masked the standard to such a degree that it was assumed our junior premier was very strong...which of course it is not.it is no better or worse than in galway,dublin,etc.it must also be remembered that lims most successful junior converts have come from the view in recent times.
okay point taken,in my opinion i dont think the gap between top junior teams and el 1st div is as big as you think but thats just my opinion
seeing as we're on the topic,is there any junior players that you think you would like to see play for L37?or even youth players?
mc carry bolye,harnett of pike was asked turn up for training
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Originally Posted by the only 1
That word again "asked" aad id say its more trials then anything. Plus two are ex Limerick anyway so IF they are signed then it would be a first choice club more then anything.
And when Limerick GAA take players from clubs then its the exactly the same is't it? TBHmate i think its a load of ****** and no the junior clubs are not right. If a good player is playing with a small junior club and a bigger junior club (not looking at anyone) comes in what happens? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadend
look serious i cudnt give a **** about lim37 whatever people say ye need better players than these plus rossi,alan barry,dunphy davy wall,were not good enough and they were asked turn up hope ye get some decent players to replace the ones that left you know its goin to be a struggle this year as well gaelQuote:
Originally Posted by gael353
well i know wall+mc,carry were training monday and yes they are not good enough for loi if the rest are true i would agree with you lim37 could struggle plus heard the was only 11 at training that is not good enough
well no offence only 1 but i you have no interest in the senior club Limerick 37 then go elsewhere or to the junior section. And yea it will be difficult this season, if i were still playing and i wanted it easy id join a club like shelbourne or play division 4b. Or as a supporter id support some English team cos that would be no hassle. But i support Limerick 37/Senior soccer as its fun and a challange for it to be a success. But with more ppl like me being involved in some way, it will be a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by the only 1
i'd like to see wall and mcgarry given a chance myself,mcgarry could be a fine player if he applied himself properly
Then go away. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by the only 1