Donal
pm me your address and I will send you out details of the Pats season tickets. Problem solved everyone is happy.
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Donal
pm me your address and I will send you out details of the Pats season tickets. Problem solved everyone is happy.
Same thing really. If people call themselves fans, yet don't support the domestic game in any way, either at a junior or senior level, then their whole experience of Irish football should be lousy. They deserve a lousy team, a lousy manager, players with lousy attitudes, a lousy CEO with a lousy attitude towards FIFA directives. Never mind being made fun of on the internet. :rolleyes: If only that was the worst part of following Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
Can someone explain how a thread about Bohs selling Ward has turned into one about corporate hosiptality at Ireland games?
There is a school of thought including many on this site who believe that movement of our best players cross channel or anywhere else is detrimental to the EL and that the standard will never be raised if this outflow continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
My own view is that whether we like it or not, the EL will always be feeder league to cross channel and other places, and clubs when they have the opportunity should maxmise their income with transfer fees which in turn, help sustain those clubs. This is not a lack of ambition at all, but it is simply a fact that there is not and never will be a big enough demand for EL football among supporters/tv/sponsorhip to make all but the biggest of clubs financially viable, part of which involves EL clubs ability to compete with cross channel clubs in respect of players wages.
From a players point of view, there are very few players, who, given the opportunity, would not want to have a go at making it the higher standard of football offered across the channel. If they don't make they generally come back to EL anyway.
Proves my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
All threads started by eL fans. One for was his U21 days when he had just left Reading. In all those threads non-eL people arguing against his inclusion in forum...
dodge and wws get real, for those that go to all the ireland matches and are 40 miles at the very least from any EL side should all of a sudden swear allegiance to sSt Pats ( wws ) and are not "true irish supporters" ( which is what you are directly infering ) is bloody ridiculous, thats just as bad as all the young fellas at home jumping ship and going supporting chelsea over the last 2 years. Also, for all those plastics who spend a lot of hard-earned cash travelling europe ( and the world ) to see ireland play both home and away should in some way be involved with EL soccer to be "proper irish" supporters is even more ridiculous.....
for fecks sake it was a tongue in cheek suggestion, lighten up
I think going to games week in week out is something that EL fans should consider themselves lucky to do. I cant stand people who look down on the EL and take the **** out of it while calling clubs in England we etc etc. However at the same time I dont think a snobbish attitude adopted by some members who go to EL week in week out is healthy either. I think the overall goal is to get people who may be interested in supporting a local EL to go to as many games as possible. This is not as easy for people who live in Clare, or Meath or Wexford etc. They dont have a League of Ireland team to follow and as a result the Ireland team becomes their team that they follow. I would not consider these people OLE OLE OLE people just cause they dont have an EL team. But if you are asking me which is better, watching a game on the tv or watching a game live in Dalymount or Richmond Park or Tolka Park, give me the live game any day of the week.
far more than just those counties!!!Quote:
Clare, or Meath or Wexford etc.
Wexford will have a team next season.
English people don't seem to have trouble supporting domestic teams in the next town/county over, same with Welsh football fans:confused:
Irish people dont seem to have a problem supporting a team in another country so i dont see why another county would be too hardQuote:
Originally Posted by Soper
I think the point on many Irish people following the national team because they don't have a local side to support is very true. Growing up in Wexford the nearest teams would have been Waterford, Kilkenny or Bray and with county rivalry the way it is in Ireland plus travelling distance the Eircom league was never really attractive. I think it's very important that when the FAI looks for new teams for the A and B leagues that they try to have representitives from every county, giving them a chance to potentially bring senior soccer to a much wider audience.
Hence the etc. in the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
Agree with this also, I know lots of Pats fans from Kildare (prior to Kildare having an eL team) and lots from Meath.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Roll on Ballinamore UtdQuote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
The only way you can call yourself a football fan is if you go to a game every week. otherwise you're just interested in it. If you follow Man U but say you can't follow Pats because they're miles away you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Not calling you an idiot, just saying that EVERYBODY who uses this excuse, whilst at the same time following an English or Scottish team, is an idiot.
Its the highlighted bit that makes the majority of this thread a load of ballacks. I thought you had to be an eL fan to be a real fan? Now the scope is broadened to people who follow local junior or senior soccer. Those of us who disagree with that point of view put forward genuine reasons why there are so many non-eL-Ireland fans and the arguement gets that bit more skewwed from the Naziesque eL fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaime
Just out of interest do the real fans like wws who support Pats go down to Bricker on a Sat morning to watch the mini-teams play or head over to Michaels estate on a Sunday afternoon to watch the youth teams play. Surely the real fans of the eL do this, because as EB pointed out there are plenty of people who consider the NAtional team as their "local" side who go to all the Age groups not just the Senior side.
Maybe if there was a bit more structure to the local game in Ireland then more people would pay attention to the game at the highest level in Ireland, the eL. Its the only thing the GAA has over soccer here, structure. How many off-shoot teams do you see in soccer. Hundreds. Not too much loyalty in soccer here.
Wow, 'Naziesque'.
Hooperatzi you spout some s*ite. I'd say you haven't a clue about most of the good players in the Ireland youth setups yet you claim to be a the top of the supporters pyramid because you watch some substandard drivel every other week that has (like it or not) nothing to do with the national team. At least Man Ure supporters can claim to be supporting some of our national team players (the same ones that get us to International competitions).
How many of those EL players play for Ireland?
I'm reporting that post, because you're stirring.
Jesus Christ that was just an example, I could not be bothered listing every county without an LOI team.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
You are special.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
You claim the Eircom League Premier Divsion is drivel, yet you'll happily be watching 'your' national team which, in all possibility, could have at least 5 ex EL players in the next squad (if not the next one, then one after).
People like you are ruining Irish football.
At least Irish Manure supporters can claim to be destroying Irish football.
p.s. When did John O'Shea ever get us to an international competition?
How did you start supporting Pats? Not many people start supporting teams in their 20's. I could go to a hundred Pats matches but I don't think I'll ever be a true Pats fan. They're not in my heart and never will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
This has to be one of the most idiotic posts every made on this forum in my view and I would not be you like to call an Eircom League Facist or EL nazi. A healthy domestic league can only be good for the international team and it is the job of the FAI to help produce both a healthy league and international team. We cannot rely on English clubs producing players for us and we need good youth structures all around the country both at Junior clubs and Senior clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
youngirish - I must have told you about 5 times by now to stop posting in such an aggressive style. You can sense anger in many of your posts and it's only going to get the thread locked. If any other person made the post you did I'd say they were trolling so I'm glad Hooperatzi didn't react. You could easily make the points you want to make without riling people up so quit it.
Nice, another reference to ole ole. No barstooler jibe this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
Thanks for just reminding me how futile this whole ridiculous argument is. I'm done posting on this one.
B@llocksQuote:
Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
This sort of smug eL ****e is what puts the entire country off the league. What sort of t*sser proclaims himself to be top of some pyramid he has created.
I'm glad to see despite your disdain for English football you have all the nicknames off pat.
On a factual basis, sad as it is there is very little link between success of the national team and that of the league. So in fact without the league the national team would be very similar to what it is now.
Finally, referring to people as subhuman and below subhuman is a bit over the top, isnt it?
Refreshing Cavan.
why?Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
I would say its things like effort and commitment that puts the entire country off the league..
we arent a country that will ever follow sport on a regular basis. simple as.
whoever pointed out the irony of following teams in england but not being able to feel any affinity to Irish teams cause they werent "local" enough was spot on.
People claiming they follow all the underage teams is a lie as well. these games are rarely attended by many at all. People are coming up with more bizzare excuses everytime...
Puberty is a difficult time for the youth of our country.
Well firstly I like to only respond to the post not the poster. I called your post idiotic.
Secondly as I said in my original post, you could not describe me as an EL Facist. Anybody who has read any of my previous posts could see this. I was trying to come at this from someone who in the last year or so has started to support Bohemians again after years living down the west of Ireland. I know the realties of the game that most of our top players play in England so as a result I do look at English games quite often through the medium of television. However it is imperative for the future of IRish football that we have a healthy youth set up and in addition we have a healthy league. Therefore I think it is madness that you should have such disdain for the LOI. As someone pointed out before people all over the world people attend football matches in their local area, this is the norm. Now I know the reasons why people dont go to LOI games and a lot of that is due the power of television when they were kids and the English game could reach into their hearts and minds when thety were at their most impressionable. If you dont have a parent bringing you to games or you dont have a local side to go to, you are most likely going to support a team you can see on television and then probably along with the national side. This is quite normal in this country to do that. I dont blame anybody for this as I was that soldier living in the far west of Ireland. I do not look down on any supporter like this as I would not describe myself as EL hardcore in any fashion. I just like going to live football. and now that I am an adult and living in Dublin I can do this out of my own freewill.
Finally the problem with this debate so far has been comments like Ole ole brigade and other terms like EL facists. When someone uses insults like that they automatically forfeit the argument in my view.
I agree we have been punching above our weight but do we really want to be at the descretion of the English game as it is at the moment or do we want to take things into our own hads.
Read the book Who stole our game it might do you good.
This is where you and your mates have it all wrong. I don't support any English team. I only support Irish players playing in England. These are the players that like it or not are the only ones capable of getting us to the finals of major competitions and this is how it will always remain whether you like it or not due to the reasons I mentioned in the last post.
Ireland with it's lack of large urban centres can't support a top European league. It's not possible.
My hero.
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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
As a Limerick FC supporter, who has been to hundreds of games over a 15 year period, and played hundreds of games at some of the worst levels.......
I am so very sick of people........
A. saying that being a eL fan makes you a better fan of the Irish national team. (or going so far as to say that without being an eL fan, you cannot be an Irish fan)
B. Saying that players from the eL are being robbed by English clubs - if you had the chance to buy something worth 20 quid for just 5 quid, because the owner didnt realise what he had/didnt have the balls to ask for a good price, would you really pay the proper price anyway. The fault lies at eL clubs for allowing the sale for less than the proper value.
C. saying things like "Premiersh!t" and "Bogball" so on. It seems that, having been marginalised for so long just for being LOI supporters, fans feel it gives them a right to condemn any other fans as idiots, condemn our British based players as "overpaid wasters", and condemn other sports in the way they have condemned ours.
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Originally Posted by youngirish
I'll tell that to Holland and Belgium all representative of countries with European champions and cup winners. By the way Dominic Foley scored again at the weekend....anothe one for you to follow.....
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
pot calling the kettle black?
In fairness, the views here are obviously those of the minority BUT there is no argument against the fact that people who go to club games every week are better football fans than those who go once a month. Regardless of the teams involved.
Agree with this except for the word "proper".Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
For all its problems, eL football is as proper as any other league in the world.
I'd say that this thread proves there is plenty of arguement about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
edit: apologies about the double post - i'd merge if i knew how.
Says the man who thought Shane Long was slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
Please God help me. Holland has 15 million people and is one of the most heavily urbanised countries in the world. Belgium has about 11 and is also heavily urbanised. Each has a large number of cities with populations greater than 500,000. Ireland has 1 city that satisfies that criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
Do some research before trying to sound clever you only end up supporting my argument when trying to rebuke it.
i said he didnt have searing pace to allow him to make an impact as a young striker in the premiership, extrapolate all you want from that but i dont think it means slow. by the way i had a quick look at that forum and didnt see anything to back up what you said, maybe a few links would be better than us trawling through the site or just trusting you..the general consensus given doyles injury, although a few wanted long to start, was that they should only play lita up front, bring kitson back sooner or transfer someone in. also, how is giving a view on a player off-point and illogical, particularly compared to your postQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish