Well, in another thread a Galway fan of some description was saying how it made a mockery of the squad that he was selected. I will try to find the post now.
Found it - http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=691965&postcount=206
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Well, in another thread a Galway fan of some description was saying how it made a mockery of the squad that he was selected. I will try to find the post now.
Found it - http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=691965&postcount=206
If you have a problem with one person, fine, but don't generalize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soper
The vast majority on this forum welcomed Gamble's inclusion and were keen to see him play and play well.
It's just the same old stuff being recycled against Stan. As is said in the North, some people would get out of bed at 7am just to be offended. As McCarthy said once, whining like a bunch of women in a washeteria.
Jesus, a few causual beers at lunch and I come back to this furore.
Dodge - "He was called up before anyone in the management team had seen him, and his uncle works in the FAI" - He wasn't called up, but asked to train having been recommended, getting the nod after the management obviously saw something in him. So what if his uncle works for the FAI - he won't play regularly if he's not good enough.
FergalR - "So tell me why Lapira deserves a cap more than the any of the players that have played in the eL this season?" - I'm not saying that he does, however players are called up in such friendlies based upon their potential ability - which having had a look at hime, Stan obviously thinks he has. I would be more than happy to see players like O'Donovan & Gamble get the chance to prove themselves that they deserve, however the exceptional circumstances in this instance is that players like Lapira (like Dixon) have the option to represent other countries - so if they are adjudged to be any good, we need to poach them while we can.
I wasn't generalizing, I said my problem was with people commending Lapiras cap, yet at the same time, moaning about Gambles. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
People as in many, person as in one.Quote:
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enoug
I just know Plastic Paddy is going to post something in a similar vein soon enough, so I was really using my psychic ability in using 'people'.
I still don't understand the selection.
If we accept the fact he has done nothing of note to merit selection and assume that he was selected on the basis he was young and has potential, then he still falls within a large group of Irish qualified players (some indeed Irish!!) who are also young and have potential to become a decent footballer.
But they key point is that selection from within this distinct pool of young, developing footballers should be based on merit and Lapira, based on his achievements to date and the level he plays at is nowhere near the top of this pool.
Thats why his selection raises eyebrows and when you add in his family links to the FAI its no wonder people are adding two and two together and assuming the FAI decided to save a transatlantic airfare.
There is also the saving of a match fee to be considered.Quote:
assuming the FAI decided to save a transatlantic airfare.
maybe its simply a case then that there was room in teh squad, he is based in america, we dont play in america that often, it would give him a chance to shine and to train with professional players, and its an awful long way for a player to come all the way from america just for a friendly in ireland or europe just to check out his ability...whilst there was can check out his ability in training...nothing lost nothing gained, if he isnt good enough then say bye bye...obviously staunton saw something he liked in training and gave him his chance on wednesday....Nothing is lost by giving him his chance now, plenty of time for said EL players to get their chance. I am 100% sure that lapira wouldnt have got this call up if we were playing a friendly in england/denmark/brazil/russia for example.
Of course it had absolutely nothing to do with the convenience of taking a prolonged close look at a prospect that would be difficult to do in other circumstances, and nailing his colours to the mast definitively while at it.
It was all about saving an air fare and making a bloke in the FAI feel good.
I've no problem with it.
......which makes a mockery of being capped for Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Why didn't they just raffle a place in the squad on ebay to the highest bidder?
no not if he saw something of promise in training. read it again.
by letting him train he was getting a first hand look at the player. Yes playing him for Ireland just for the sake of it would have been wrong but he got to see him in 4 days build up.
Make up your mind!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Either it was a selection of convenience/jobs for the boys or he's there on merit.
training was convenience/handiness/get a look etc.
squad that was there for the match on wednesday, merit, from stauntons perspective at least.
Somewhere in between stuts 1st and 2nd line of his last post.
Wouldn't that be an auction?Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Another factor is whether he is elgible for anyone else, imagine if somene had had the foresgiht to cap Steven Gerrard at 15! It's unfair on young Irish players but it's in the best interests of the success of the Irish team.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Would he have been capped had the tournament been on these shores? No. Plain and simple and that in itself disrespects the value of playing for Ireland.
He got capped because of a "ahh sure we're here now" attitude.
I have no issue with how good he is/isn't, I'm just angered at the amateurish way he came about getting a cap.
Dodge, I'm sure I remember Staunton saying that Alan "ahh sure he's fast" O'Brien had been recommended to him to by someone, so that would make it 2 players that Stan hasn't seen previously that have ended up getting caps. Unreal.
The most sarcastic Priest in Ireland!!!!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Fair point!:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Similar to the "videos" he saw of Alan O'Brien on Sky Sports News probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
If he was anyway impressed by him he would have given him more than a few minutes at the end of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
And St Ledger I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
not if he was more impressed by the 15 before him.Quote:
If he was anyway impressed by him he would have given him more than a few minutes at the end of the game.
That's irrelevant IMO. What's the point in bringing someone on for the last 5 minutes or than just for the sake of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It's just another stunt from Stan and unfair on the likes of Garven or Whealen who were ignored.
Whiz Alan O'Brien will probaly start on Saturday just to prove that Stan is right and Newcastle wrong.
I've never seen Lionel Messi play live. He mustn't be any good.
Lionel Messi plays for Barcelona. Lapira plays for a US collegiate team.
And if you were the Argentina national coach you wouldn't have seen him play live if you were considering him for selection?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Mockery, I have seen Dunphy in a green shirt, the rest pales in comparison.
Jason O'Brien's first cap, a 10 second cameo, was a sham, I doubt that he saw it like that.
The most obvious mockery on this tour was Ronnie O'Brien refusing to join up, instead he played in another friendly. I'd be pretty sure that Lapiro was capped with that in mind.
who is Jason O'Brien?? :eek: do u mean Jason Byrne?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
- Its clear he was picked as was convenient.
- Staunton gave him a cap to stop him ever playing for the USA.
- Its fairly cruel when you think that he will never see an irish squad in the near future.
If any on ye are attending Irish matches in far flung places in the future remember to bring your boots as you too could become an Ireland international if it is convenient!
Playing in a friendly does not cap tie you.
Think it does!!
Only if it's an "Ireland Select" like in a testemonial it doesn't commit you but in a proper international friendly it does!!
Not sure it was a stunt as such OF but I do think Stan is easily led by those around him. Geary's call-up before his unfortunate injury was example enough of that ("does he even know I'm Irish?" Well, he did after that particular Sky Sports News piece). He'll be showing leadership soon enough but I guess the question is whether that leadership takes us in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ordinary Fan
Cyprus aside, I've seen enough promise from a team in transition to merit giving him more time. After all, we here were clamouring for Kerr's head after the last qualifying fiasco yet I'd bet you that 95% of those people that wanted him out at the time would now gladly have him back. We (or more precisely Delaney) made our collective bed so now we'll have to lie in it.
Good luck to Lapira and all the new debutants, whatever the criticism levelled here by the armchair Championship Managers. Here's hoping that the new boys give Stan and his cabal some food for thought if nothing else.
:ball: PP
The hysteria is amazing. A meaningless friendly is exactly the right time to try something from left field. We may have plenty of forwards now but few are top quality. The hottest prospect on the continent is worth inclusion. If he were Brazilian they would not think twice about including young talent.
Th Irish shirt was brought into far more disrepute over the last 12 months than anything this tour has yet to offer.
I hope the boys who has family commitments are having a good rest anyway.
Based on what the previous winners have gone on and done that is far from the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
In fairness if he won the same award in Brazil it might actually mean something.Quote:
If he were Brazilian they would not think twice about including young talent.
Didn't Claudio Reyna win the same award and by jayzuz he could have done a job for us over the years. I'll take Lapira any day. If it doesn't work so what. And I'm no stan fan.
Heres the rest of the guys that have won it since Reyna won itQuote:
Originally Posted by BobbySands
2006 — Joseph Lapira, Notre Dame
2005 — Jason Garey, Maryland
2004 — Ryan Pore, Tulsa
2003 — Joseph Ngwenya, Coastal Carolina
2002 — Alecko Eskandarian, Virginia
2001 — Luchi Gonzalez, Southern Methodist
2000 — Chris Gbandi, Connecticut
1999 — Aleksey Korol, Indiana
1998 — Wojtek Krakowiak, Clemson
1997 — Ben Olsen, Virginia
1996 — Johnny Torres, Creighton
1995 — Mike Fisher, Virginia
1994 — A.J. Wood, Virginia
1993 — Claudio Reyna, Virginia
1992 — Claudio Reyna, Virginia
Such illustrious names
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Originally Posted by gustavo
Actually your list is a little bit off e.g. Chris Wingert won in 2003 and Danny O'Rourke in 2004: http://www.mac-hermann-trophy.org/Past%20Winners.htm
These names might not mean anything to you and I'm not saying they're world beaters but I follow footie in the US and all the players in 2000 have had pretty successful careers in MLS.
FIFA Article 15 states: As a general rule, any Player who has already represented one Association (either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category may not play an international match with another Association team.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Friendlies are not official competitions.