i look forward to the galway celebrations. it is a big achievement for a club the size of galway to only finish one position behind dundalk. a big well done to all concerned with galway united.
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i look forward to the galway celebrations. it is a big achievement for a club the size of galway to only finish one position behind dundalk. a big well done to all concerned with galway united.
People, every club signed up for this. No-matter how much they rant on about how they should be in the Premier, they agreed to sign to this agreement and therefore they coudnt turn back on it. I do agree that Dundalk should be in because they beat Waterford in the play-off but when they signed up to the agreement they knew exactly what was required to get into the new premiership and they didnt match it. Its hard lines but thats what they agreed to. Also i have no sympathy for Waterford, they thought they'd bring in **** players and rest on their laurels thinking Mr Delaney will secure their place in the Premier. Well hard lines yeez didnt get in, good luck in the First Division:p .....plus it means we only have to travel to Munster twice next year!! :D :D
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Originally Posted by jebus
Damn I love being proved right about those Galway 'supporters' ;) :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor H
The clubs (and a lot of posters on here) can whinge all they want about off-field points etc. but they signed up to the process, so it really is a case of tough luck, unless Dundalk or Waterford can prove that the criteria was not adhered to or applied rigourously and consistently.
I'd be surprised if they can prove this to be honest. The IAG were set up as an independent body specifically to avoid allegations of favouritism and the like and they SHOULD have evidenced all their decisions in great detail as they surely knew that there was always going to be one or more clubs very unhappy with the results.
Intuitively the results make sense. It is well known that Galway focused on long-term off-field structures at the expense of short-term on field performance over the past few years (the anti-Shels) and they are being rewarded for this. Not sure on Waterford's structures but they can't be that good or they would have been shouting from the rooftops about them. Dundalk can't be surprised and last weeks announcement about the training centre has been shown up for what it was, a last minute attempt to get in the headlines. I suspect UCD's late season rally on the pitch was their saving grace.
More interesting (to me at least) is the criteria going forward. Are on field and off field criteria going to be used for promotion/relegation going forward? If you think about it, its ridiculous that they wouldn't be as you would end up with clubs slipping back into short-termist behaviour of spending too much on players wages and not enough on development and infrastructure.
If the FAI has any sense they will divvy out the windfall payments they have been promising the new set up would bring based on the off field criteria (rather than simply dividing by the number of clubs or putting it all into prizemoney).
Yeah cos John Delaney's done so much for the club :rolleyes: He's our Kilcoyne FFS!Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
We brought in the only players we could afford and we have a debt free club that is no longer making a loss each year. If that costs us a season or two in the first division then fine, but get your facts straight before you start posting such rubbish.
Have you seen any Waterford supporters on here giving out about the result?
can I assume there will now be court cases, recriminations, accusations and all of the usual Irish senior football shenanigans.
At the same time the English premiership will have a rip roaring league title race....all of the 12 year old kids and future football supporters will be glued to RTE news and Supreme Court to get the results of the Irish premier league NOT! How boring compared to Match of the DAy, Sky Sports Super Sunday....
At least the FAI tried to have a process laid out in advance - but when the result of the process does not go the way that someone wants then the process was faulty and it should have just been straight league results.
The public are votingh with their feet....
Amazing how this line of arguement is coming out of people who support clubs who this no promotion/relegation issue had no effect on whatsoever. What do you think would happen if, say Dundalk, had voted against it? Do you think that would have stopped this happening? Because all I think would have happened there would they would either a) have had no chance of being promoted this year because the FAI would have a grudge against them, or b) be kicked out of the league altogether because the FAI would have had a grudge against them. Do you really think Dundalk voting against this would have stopped it? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
so what do you see as a 'supporter' jebus?Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
someone who attends every match he can, someone who organises buses so other supporters can go to away game, someone who spends alot of time and effort incouraging other people to go to matches and someone who spends money out of his own pocket to make the terraces a louder and more colourful place?
well if so, conor H is a very big 'supporter', as are the majority of gufc's regular fans
No, our off the field set up was always going to be an advantage too.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Just heard on RTÉ radio that Waterford got more points than Galway, but Galway were chosen to be ahead of them!:eek:
this galway promotion stinks to high heaven if the rumour they scored less than waterford is true.
well technically this process effected every club, even the mighty derry city had to go before the IAG and be evaluated. do you think if derry didnt show up to their IAG meeting, that theyd be in the premiership, only scoring out of the 50% on field activities?Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
I'd say Deleaney is disgusted that UCD finished so high in the league that he couldn't relegate them. Galway always had all the right ingredients (not on the field though) to appeal to Delaney and his cohorts - PR, marketing, media coverage, 5 year plans etc. To me it looked like Waterford gave up trying on the field as they presumed they were going to be in the Premier League no matter what next year.
Quite simply someone who believs in their club achieving their goals on the pitch. After all are we not meant to be supporters of a competitive game? Its that simple GalwayFrancis, that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalwayFrancis
The Celtic League teams in rugby must be ****ing themselves laughing at us, how are we going to win fans from them?
Criteria etc...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkyH
Nice trip to Galway now. Can't see how clubs can complain if they signed up to the bloody thing :rolleyes:
Do you think for one second that Derry were ever in danger of being relegated? Do you think that they wouldn't show up for an IAG meeting? If they didn't wouldn't that say that they don't want anything to do with the League of Ireland? Stupid argument GalwayFrancis, albeit a slightly better one than Conor'sQuote:
Originally Posted by GalwayFrancis
So, what will happen to the 1st division if Limerick do not suceed in their appeal?
When will the new team in the league be announced?
If that is true then it is baffling...... Hopefully it isn't.
The move to the Bowl certainly helps, also administratively and financially I would say UCD are very well run. This would compensate for getting hammered on the marketability side.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Was it someone from Waterford alleged this?Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
As I said above, given that the process was always likely to be challenged by the losers I'd be surprised (not very surprised mind given the stupidity of some involved!) that the process was fudged in such an obvious way.
If that's true......well this is already a disgrace regardless, but if that's true there won't be words in the English language to describe this farceQuote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
I find it laughable that people are giving out about what happened today. The clubs practically unanimously agreed to this process. Then, not now, was the time to be debating its merits.
I always maintained that the playoff was stupid this year because it was of so little actual value towards the overall points process.
I would have preferred if we'd finished in the top two, but it doesn't matter a damn because everyone knew that this was an exceptional season as regards the future.
Galway United are the best-run club in the league and, on the basis that it was 50-50 on- and off-the-pitch, it was always going to be odds-on in my view that we'd make it.
For those who haven't, there'll be promotion next season. We might well get relegated.
oh and congrats to ucd, nice to see them performing so well enough as to throw a spanner in delaney's plan. here's to another good season for them next season
The fans were largely opposed. Don't see how anybody can complain about fans complaining about this whole farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by JW.
You must have written a book-worth of stuff by now stu.
The clubs vote on the future of the league, not the fans.
And the fans are complaining about it, not the clubs*. The fact that the clubs voted it in doesn't mean the fans aren't entitled to complain.
* - apart from the clubs who are complaining...
Something in UEFA documents about fair play and on the pitch is the only way that can be used. They're not the exact words obviously because of UEFA licensing but it was something along those lines. If UEFA suddenly said that the FAI can't do what they are after doing the only way it could remain if FAI pulled out of UEFA, which would mean that the national team wouldn't be able to qualify for WC or Euros, or that Irish clubs wouldn't be able to qualify for CL etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
Don't think so. Des Cahill read out that Waterford scored more points than Galway but that the IAG (presume he meant FAI?) chose to pick Galway ahead of Waterford.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
john gill 'considering his future in football' according to local radio here. he committed to dundalk at the end of this season knowing rightly we may not be promoted. would be embarrassed and ashamed if he left.
Truly you are a supporter of Franchise FC. Is it not the fans who are going to be the ones to make this league work? You know by doing a little thing like supporting these clubs and this league? If this is supposed to be a step in the right direction for League of Ireland then how is this supposed to attract new fans? All it has done is alienate current onesQuote:
Originally Posted by JW.
The lack of understanding from some people is unreal. The clubs agreed to the process and it was well explained to them in advance.
The next thing to watch out for is the 3 clubs being relegated next season. I predict Bray, Longford and one of Sligo, Galway and Bohs.
how do you figure we are Franchise Fc?Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
If w'ford did finish on more points than GUFC then it is a disgrace that we were put in infront of them, BUT, I would never believe what cahill says. For e.g. I heard in work that GUFC actually finished higher than a few other clubs (points wise) that are also in the premier, so what story do you believe?
By the way, commiserations to waterford but Im sure ye'll be back. Delighted to see UCD still there too, totally deservant.
It's still one down, one playoff next year. The season after 3 clubs are relegated.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas
Genius stuff, delighted we are in, was sitting in a college exam hall from 11-4 with no way of finding out what happened, just got the news now, im thrilled. Well done to the other clubs.
D'oh!Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
GUFC got what they deserved, and in reality and this will drive dundalk and waterford mad but it makes no odds now and it will probably ensure Galway United stays alive for another 5 years and in reality that is some bonus
I am sick of reading straw-clutching ill-informed verbiage like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Red herring 1) This has nothing to do with Fair Play. THE LEAGUE WAS DISBANDED AND APPLICATIONS WERE SOUGHT BASED ON DEFINED CRITERIA.
Red herring 2) UEFA are bigging up licensing in a major way and have a new version of UEFA licensing (moving the bar even higher) that will apply to Irish clubs in Europe next season and to all Premier clubs the season after. OFF-FIELD STUFF MATTERS.
The naive assumptions being made on here about football being solely about 22 players on a pitch with a ball would carry more weight if the League (ie the clubs) hadn't stumbled from one shambles to another over the past 30 years in almost terminal decline
Irish domestic football is broken, and badly broken at that. By all means discuss if the FAI's actions were the right way to fix it, but if you can't even see the problems, quite frankly you need your head examined.
Because of you lot bleating on about your club's marketability? Because of your emphasis on off the pitch results rather than on the pitch results? Because of you lot gloating over being promoted despite being able to get the job done on the pitch?Quote:
Originally Posted by GalwayFrancis
Did I answer all of your previous questions to your satisfaction? Care to respond to why I don't consider Conor H a proper supporter? Or to why your assertion that Derry had to go to an IAG meeting so it means that there was a possibility that they were in danger?
Galway United Supporters Trust has a place on the GUFC board
If the fans ran the clubs and decided the future of the league, it would remind me of Flann O'Brien's synopsis of the consequences of giving everyone third-level education in Ireland.
That has got absolutely zero to do with what was in the UEFA document. It is on their website somewhere but I can't find it at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
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Originally Posted by thomas
Since you are so well informed, why would you predict Bohs? My understanding from now on it is based on, on the pitch results.