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'brits out' - but sure you;re Irish arent you? :rolleyes: now do YOU get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
let me hit the nail on the head again, the tricolour is not the flag the players are asked to play under... the unionist st george's cross with crown etc is... its bull****.
Merciful Jesus! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc67
This thread was moving along in a thoughtful manner, but has now taken the almost inevitable turn 'south' (so to speak). It can only get worse, I'm outa here.
Slán fellas!
Yes, I am, proudly, Irish - and, proudly, British.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc67
I sure get it.
I have offered my opinion on flags - I can do no more.
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I am a "Brit" born of Ireland.
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how is that?
you just woke up and decided to be British or are you of occupier blood?
listen, im not a raving ranter... its a point im making.Quote:
Originally Posted by crc
can one also be palestinian and israeli? is there anything more patronsingly insulting to the irish people than to say you're british and irish ffs.
well we wrecked your country and your culture and your language, but now that ive been here for a while im going to say that my 'irish' is as valid as yours, but oh, yeah, you're still beneath britain so you're british as well.
see this whole British and irish thing, i wonder which is the more dominant...:rolleyes:
There's an enduring image of Willie John McBride's last game for Ireland. Some guy ran on to the field and wrapped a tricolour around his shoulders. Willie left it on, took the gesture for what it was worth and strolled off the pitch to a loud ovation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
So how does this change anything? Scotland is in the UK and their team's followers are mostly anti-unionist. Many Rangers supporters refuse to have anything to do with them. There's been a thread about Catalan and Basque XIs. Both are in Spain. Both are centres of anti-unionism. The excuse that NI is in the UK and must wrap itself in the paraphanalia of unionism is rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Unionism is a combination of being Irish and British, but it relegates one national identity to that of a regional, birthplace form of patriotism and the other to their true nationalism. It is the true nationalism to which they wish their country to physically belong (BTW: This isn't a religion thing, although in NI it lends itself mostly to one religion or the other)Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Therefore NI is a region of a greater nation. That's why all the Unionist hissy fits on OWC. People who are born in NI have no right to play for this foreign country called the ROI, because they were born in NI, and there is no negotiating that unless any of their parents and grandparents were born in this foreign country. Hence your response below.
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Originally Posted by Not Brazil
What nationalists/republicans seek is unification with the south, not necessarily the demise of NI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Northern Ireland as an entity remaining as it is, is not a prerequiste to unification. I'd fully support NI retaining huge autonomy in return for Irish unification.
Sinn Fein's 'Eire Nua' policy of the sixties and seventies called for a federal Ireland based on the four provinces. Ulster had nine counties, but I'm sure through negotiating it could be knocked down to six, four or two if politicians wanted. DeValera also spoke of NI remaining intact as a part of a federal Ireland. Neither of the above are normally referred to as West Brits. Both options would also leave the NI team alone (although an island as small as Ireland having two teams is IMO ridiculous).
As you accept, playing for the ROI is a political choice to play for one's nation. As far as I know, Kerry don't have a big following in the 6C so we can discard that 'glory-hunting' sh*te of some people.
I thought he was a good player before the Spain game. He then seemed to put on a bit too much weight. Also our best looking player, erm, according to my, erm, sister. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
What's wrong with that? The England team doesn't represent everyone in England, let alone the UK. It doesn't represent me. Do you think that the 'Ireland' team represents Johnny Adair (actually remembering his brief release from prison in 1998, NI doesn't represent him either judging by the England shirts him and his mates were wearing).Quote:
Originally Posted by crc
Full recognition of both communities at matches. Flying both the UJ or 6C flag and the Tricolour or at the very least the flag of Ulster. Seeing you insist on GSTQ, then have the SS there aswell. In other words include the nationalistic trappings of both communites. Having a some Brian Kennedy love song as an anthem is poitnless. There's nothing offensive about what the Tricolour stands for, but even someone as moderate as you sees it as second only to the swastika in offensiveness, so why should any nationalist accept anything that enforces the British occupation NI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Now I know you, and Ealing Green, are p*ssing yourself now, but you can p*ss away the next time another of 'your' players opts for 'us'. (sic.)
I'd say the same should be done for the rugby team. Both flags. Both anthems (The Sash instead of GSTQ). No more whinging and no more Ireland's Call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Why? Isn't this more 'telling people what to do'? I like my footballers to have some brains and principles, not just an overdose of testosterone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
True, hence the defections. But it doesn't have to have. See post above on Scotland, Wales, Euskadi, Cataluna, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
I'm an Irish citizen born and bred in England. I feel no loyalty to this country. I do not support any of its sporting teams or wars that it likes to campaign in the name of 'freedom.' The Union Jack is more offensive to me than the swatika because it is an irredentist rag which displays its occupation of my country. I would never, ever call myself English or British, not even to point score on an English football forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
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I am a "Brit" born of Ireland.
I am British, born on the island of Ireland.Quote:
how is that?
you just woke up and decided to be British or are you of occupier blood?
I will always be British, and always Irish - proud of my identity.
My late parents, of whoms blood I am, were similarly both born on the island of Ireland. They too were British and Irish.
You really don't get it, do you?:confused:
So you were just making it up about Sinn Fein persuading these two lads into playing for their country? :rolleyes: Now that says 'more about you and your opinions than I ever could.' However I will keep responding to, question, and expose any fairy tales, libel and lies that you post.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
BTW, there's an ignore button you can use. Feel free!
Why has this trend descended into a Northern Ireland British or Irish argument? I personally don't care if EalingGreen and Not Brazil consider themselves British - that is their right if they choose. Equally I don't understand the gripe they have against some players born in Northern ireland representing the Republic if they consequently don't see themselves as British.
I don't believe the other argument that the FAI are operating clandestine operations in the North and brainwashing loyal young players to abandon their country of birth in an X-Files like conspiracy plot is the reason their players are 'defecting' so to speak. The whole Britishness of the NI team is undoubtedly the reason that the majority of these young players don't feel it represents their interests.
[QUOTE=Not Brazil;563697][QUOTE=Merc67;563684]would you be both palestinian and israeli too? this is a joke. if you are basing it simply on geography then your entitled to make such a weak argument, but the ignorance with which you are throwing the argument around makes me think of those yanks who claim ulster scots heritage:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
how can you be both an occupier and the occupied? oh no, youre not the occupied are you? ffs.
your claim is based on the patronising, superiority complex of the english (the ones who really started up this british ****, and to whom all others in the UK are inferior, really) that ireland is part of their land.
it is not, it may have been for a time, but it is not now. you are one or the other fella, though you want to be both for whatever reason...
because they want to show they are NOT Irish.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
yet, here, on this site we have a right pair demanding they are Irish too. it;'s a strange one:)
A bit unfair man. I've lived in the South East of England for the past 8 years and the English don't have this hang up about being British to anywhere near the same degree as NI unionists. They are English first and foremost, British is a term the younger people in particular identify themselves with in a far decreasing capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc67
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Originally Posted by youngirish
yes, you are correct. my point was the idea of 'britain' was based on english expansion in the middle of the last millenium. its no coinceidence that the hq's of anything 'British' are in london or england.... scots and welsh that i know hate the term and being called british, but english folk dont hate it one bit and happily use the union flag. my point was not a slight at the english.
(Can't speak for 'Not Brazil', but my opinions are closer to his than yours, so here goes)Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
I'm Irish. I was born in Ireland and spent the first 23 years of my life there. With my accent, I couldn't deny being Irish even if I wanted (which I don't). If you want to know more about what kind of an Irishman I am, I am a Northern Irishman. I am no more or less proud of this latter designation than of the former.
As an Northern Irishman, I was born into a part of the United Kingdom. Personally, that suits my political inclination, though I accept that many of my fellow Northern Irishmen and women differ: so be it - it's not worth fighting over (imo).
When it comes to sport, my chief passion is football and my favourite team is my national team, NI.
Of course, not every aspect of supporting the team is exactly how I would have it if it were down to me (I would change our anthem to something peculiarly Northern Irish, for example); however, with a moderate degree of tolerance, I am overall immensely proud of the team and its support and I would hope that with an equal degree of tolerance, all people from NI, of whatever background, could feel the same pride, should they wish to.
For those who cannot, whether they be Republicans who cannot countenance any "NI" team, or "Loyalists", for whom the team is not "British" enough, then they may support the ROI or Ingurland respectively; that must be their choice (and their loss, imo).
I am also interested in other sports. When it comes to rugby union, I am proud to follow Ireland. When I attend Lansdowne, there are certain aspects which do not meet with my entire approval. These include the flying of the Tricolour (both Officially by the IRFU and unofficially by some of the fans) and the playing of The Soldiers Song. This is because they only represent one of the two territories which go to make up the team (and it isn't mine!).
However, when the music starts, I don't see it as any great hardship just to stand up, shut up, then sit down - I'm there for the rugby, after all. (In fact, I am much more aerated by O'Sullivan's continued selection of that prat O'Gara over David Humphries, but that's by-the-by!)
When it comes to Athletics, I happily follow the GB & NI team in the Olympics (or just NI at the Commonwealth Games), though I keep an interested eye on other Irish athletes like Sonia O'Sullivan (or is she Australian these days?)
As a fan of Test Cricket, I follow the England team and will be especially interested if Ed Joyce should force his way into the team.
And during the Ryder Cup, I was rooting for Europe all the way (Big Darren in particular)
So there you have it. You may consider all this to be inconsistent, or even hypocritical - I'm not greatly bothered. But consider this: whenever anyone says to me: "You aren't Northern Irish, you're 'Irish'", my response is: "You're not 'Irish', you're European".
Which, at its logical conclusion, takes us back to when we used to write our address on our Primary School Exercise Books, starting with our townland and finishing with "The Earth", "The Solar System", "The Universe".
Oh, and to answer your question, when I'm abroad and am asked where I come from, I answer that I'm from Northern Ireland. And although it doesn't often happen, if they don't know where that is, I simply show them my Passport...
(In England, when I'm asked what part of Ireland I'm from, I usually answer: "The West". That always stumps them!;) )
"Ireland is an island 300 miles long
And 100 miles thick.
It is divided into four Provinces:
Ulster, Munster, Linfield and Celtic...":D
In football (which is what we're talking about, after all), players from the ROI are asked to play under the flag of the ROI (Tricolour) and players from NI are asked to play under the flag of NI (Stormont Banner, to give it its correct designation, i think).Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc67
I've never found this a particularly difficult concept to understand. More importantly, neither have the players, including my own favourite, Gerry Armstrong, who played football for NI under the NI flag at Windsor for many years. Previously he had played Gaelic football under the Tricolour at Croke Park in his youth. (Indeed, he will almost certainly have played GAA under the Tricolour in Belfast, as well. It didn't do him, or me, any harm, come to think of it!)
This man does not speak for me -nor, I suspect, many others here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc67
Now can we swing back on topic and away from those determined to tell us who we are, who we're not, what constitutes Irish and what it can't include....
Thanks.
As an Irishman, I consider that Ireland would have have been a very different place had Dermot McMorrough not invited Strongbow over to Ireland to invade and occupy in the late 12th Century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc67
Whether it would have been a better or worse place is open to debate, but I try not to get too bothered about that, since I wasn't around then, so I don't consider I have any particular responsibility.;)
http://marxists.org/archive/marx/wor...chronology.htm
Anyhow, I do tend to take exception to the call "Brits Out", since love them dearly as I do, I don't especially wish to have to put my entire family up over here in London for more than a few days around Christmas! :D
I cant say I care much. Ireland is the Irish team. Northern Ireland is the Northern Irish team. would wish them both to do well to be honest. The actual politics of the situation I couldnt care less about. and I think that is the opinion of most people I know. And I would say like most people I know as well I have been looking at some of the northern Ireland results with a bit of envy lately. please god we can get our act together and both grace a tournament at some stage. now that would be progress....:)
I don't know if this was posted before but it seems Northern Ireland was not Neil Lennon's first choice......
'I would love to have had the chance to play for the Republic at Lansdowne Road, it would have been great, but it never became an issue I had to think about,' he confirms in a statement that is bound to capture many a headline.
'I was playing for Crewe when the chance to play for the Northern Ireland under-21s came along and it was a great opportunity for me. It raised my profile big-time and it was a very proud moment for me every time I played for my country. I would never knock it, even though there were obviously some problems along the way.
'Jack Charlton was the Ireland manager at the time, but he never made any approaches to me, so I was honoured to represent Northern Ireland and by the time people were asking me whether I wished I was playing for the Republic it was too late. Big Jack was very good at finding players who qualified to play for Ireland back then, but he must have been off fishing the day someone called him and said Neil Lennon might be worth having a look at.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns...rope25&cc=5739
I can't say for certain that "tapping up" occurs, but it seems pretty obvious to me why neither party would wish to disclose its existence if it did occur, so proof is inevitably difficult to provide. However, the circumstantial "evidence" which I've outlined elsewhere leads me to believe this may have started in the last few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
If I'm correct, I can see why the FAI would be reticent about approaching Prod/Unionists since not only are they less likely to be receptive, but they are more likely to blow the whistle.
However, for more substantial evidence, I've seen comments made by Chris Baird and Kieran McKenna in interviews a while back, which clearly indicated approaches (I don't have details immediately to hand), even whilst they were committed to NI.
As for "labelling" these two, Baird (who has a "Planter" surname, I think) is a former GAA player from Rasharkin, so it's safe to assume that he is from a Catholic/Nationalist background and McKenna's family lives in my part of the world, so I can confidently state this his background is also Catholic/Nationalist.
Not that I give a stuff about the background or religious or political persuasions of any NI player, just that they give 100% in the Green shirt.
Btw, in a recent interview, Chris Baird made the following comment which, as one of the Copenhagen 3000, brought a lump to my throat:
Chris also heaped praise on the ever growing GAWA, 3,000 of whom travelled to Denmark recently.
“The support over the past few years has been unbelievable,” stated Chris.
“A full house at Windsor makes as much noise as 30,000 fans and that type of support makes you want to work even harder on the pitch.
“Sometimes in a break in play at home games we (the players) just look around at the whole ground doing the ‘bouncy’ and it’s an absolutely amazing sight.
“Support like that really does make a difference and if we could make in to Euro 2008, imagine what the fans would be like then!”
Euro 2008 - I know we shouldn't dream, but what about it, eh? It would be sooooo good to see an Irish team in Austria and Switzerland, don't you think? ;)
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Originally Posted by EalingGreen
if there's a crown or a union flag involved, it's not an Irish team as far as i am concerned. while i dont claim to speak for my fellow Irish on here there's a hell of a lot of others who agree...
Don't think we will qualify man to be honest sure we've had some bad results at the start of these qualifiers, against Cyprus in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
The Republic will still finish in a better position and with more points than the North by the end of the campaign. Of this I'm 100% sure. Their fans seem to conveniently forget the fact that they've played 3 of their last 4 games at home and will lose all the corresponding fixtures away. I predict a crashing back to reality soon enough.
The North are nowhere near the standard required to reach a final nowadays. Sorry to break the bad news.
Aye, a big man, in every respect of the word, and no-one ever represented Ireland with more pride than him. As an interesting aside, however, I'd love to witness the conversation where Merc 67 puts it to Willie John that he's no "Brit"!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I guess the response might be something similar to that which he gave in what was perhaps my favourite sporting quotation of all time.
From the Lions Tour of South Africa in 1974:
Victory assured and their unbeaten record intact, the Lions embarked on the mother of all Lions' parties on the night of the third Test in their Port Elizabeth hotel. Much furniture was splintered ("inadvertently") and many fire extinguishers were set off ("accidentally") before the hotel manager, seeing his beloved lobby disappearing under six feet of water, stormed off in search of the skipper.
He would have knocked on McBride's bedroom door except the bedroom in question had been without a door for some days after the captain, returning from a night on the Port Elizabeth tiles without a key and finding the night porter in unhelpful mode, removed said door - and door frame - "with a couple of gentle dunts".
"Mr McBride," railed the manager, "your players are wrecking my hotel."
"Are there many dead?" inquired the great man, puffing contentedly on his pipe and sitting cross-legged and naked but for his Y-fronts on top of the bed.
"I want every one of you locked up. The police are on their way."
"And tell me," puffed McBride with a proud smile as the mayhem continued unabated below, "these police of yours - will there be many of them?"
The rest of that article should give some food for thought on Irishness, Britishness, Sport and Politics generally to some of the more rabid posters here ;)
http://www.2005lions.net/misc_mcbride97.shtml
He must have been a Brit so if his idea of good fun is thrashing places up abroad :)
[QUOTE=Merc67;563702][QUOTE=Not Brazil;563697]Merc67,Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc67
I have told you clearly, and repeatedly, how I identify.
You can try to tell me what I am and what I am not all you like - you can rant about England this, Brits that all you like.
You can insult me with your "occupier" charges until the cows come home.
I know what I am - you might like that, accept that or agree with it.
But, at the end of the day, I'm proudly Irish and proudly British.
I make no apology for what I am.
I have no gripe whatsoever with young players from Northern Ireland electing to play for the Republic on account of them not seeing themselves as British.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
My gripe is that they should decide who they want to play for earlier than has been the case recently.
Thousands of kids here would give their right arm to pull on a Northern Ireland shirt - to see it rejected by those who have worn it until they are 19/20 years of age irks me.
Would it irk you as much if you knew they didn't want to play for your senior side but did?
For brevity, I'll not repeat the quotation, but as an NI fan, I have absolutely no problems with what he said - he is merely saying what he feels in an honest manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie
For the record, I was not at the Norway game when a minority (my brother estimates 2-300) of the crowd booed Lennon for just having signed for Celtic.
Anyhow, that made my mind up for me that I would fly back to the next game (v the Ukraine), to show my support.
It is rarely reported that Lennon was roundly cheered by the home fans every time he touched the ball in that game.
I have no doubt that a few meatheads, who don't always attend NI matches, turned up specifically for the Norway game to have a go at Lennon. They weren't there at the Ukraine game, where the crowd was equally determined to try to reverse the damage.
Anyhow, to his credit, Lennon was to play another three matches for NI after Norway, which indicates he had shrugged it off.
Then, of course, we had the moron and the telephoned death threat which I, and most of my fellow NI fans, consider to be the worst moment ever experienced in following our team.
However, the silver lining was that it finally convinced everyone that we HAD to stand up to the knuckle-draggers in our midst, no matter how difficult. This was the catalyst for the the process whereby we are now generally recognised by open-minded observers as being a decent bunch, all things considered. (I loathe the "Best Supporters in the World" ****e, btw)
As such, the lining has now pretty much become the cloud, as Lennon generously acknowledged himself, the other day.
(Then again, some would argue that with 39 caps for the Occupied Six, Lennon was never more than a West Brit himself, anyhow...;))
im sure that wasnt for me:) but no, it didnt do that at all, though it is a good article.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
notice that its the british and irish lions:) they are two different things!
as for willie mc, ive yet to meet him personally, when i do ill post the resultant 'chat' on here:)
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Originally Posted by Merc67
I assume that applies to the breakup of a country eg former Yugoslavia or Soviet Union.
do you not think it applies here? a kid has an Irish passport, but theyre telling him they dont want him to play for that country....Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
I've posted it many times before on this site, but I do not object if someone born in NI opts to represent the ROI.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
My gripe, for reasons which I've posted elsewhere, is thatthe FAI may now be tapping up young players who have been developed by the IFA and who were formerly happy to represent NI under-age teams.
As I've indicated, I've no concrete proof that is happening, but it seems pretty obvious why such evidence is unlikely to be easily uncovered, since it is in the interest of both parties to keep it concealed.
What I have done is listed the circumstantial and anecdotal evidence which I've seen.
I would add one final (new) point. Considering the enormous lengths the FAI (or "Find An Irishman" as it was dubbed) went to in the 80's & 90's to unearth Irish qualified players in GB, now that this may be drying up somewhat, don't you think it would be astonishing if they would presently ignore possible young players from up the road in NI, especially when at least some of them would be amenable to an approach?
What do you want? A Photograph*?
(* - Sorry, that's Big Ian's speciality)
possibly not the 'only legitimate version' but definately the closest available. the country is governed by a democraticly elected government with citizens(as opposed to subjects of the ruling monarch) who are of the country and directly responsible for the fate of the land. the kink IMO is that the country is partitioned. however those on the northern side of the ' border ' are still operating under the rule of london.Quote:
Originally Posted by crc
this "i'm irish and british" line we are being fed by the OWC men & NI supporters on this thread is nonscence. the truth is that people in the 6 counties who class themselves as british can justifibly call themselves northern irish and british if they feel fit (i mightn't like it but if it's their want) but you'll generally find that people from the 6 counties who do not class themselves as british will just describe themselves as irish and not some hybred type of nationality.
consquently, if we can go back to the subject matter of this thread, if these people now feel that they want to play for the country that most closely represents their ancestorial and cultural heritage they should be allowed to do so.
if our OWC friends can move away from the cunning ruggers smoking pipes on their beds stories long enough and accept that to the dislike of a number of people on both sides of the boarder that there is a state called northern ireland where some of the peoples believe that they are british then it must also be accepted that there are people in that state who feel 100% irish and not one iota british as their ancestorial background has only recently come under the rule of the crown.
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Originally Posted by Merc67
lopez,
"The excuse that NI is in the UK and must wrap itself in the paraphanalia of unionism is rubbish"
You are being rather selective in your reading.
You have failed to recognise and head what myself and Ealing Green have consistently stated on this thread.
We both favour the "paraphanalia of unionism" being dropped at Northern Ireland representative matches ie, essentially a new sporting anthem and a new flag.
"Unionism is a combination of being Irish and British, but it relegates one national identity to that of a regional, birthplace form of patriotism and the other to their true nationalism. It is the true nationalism to which they wish their country to physically belong (BTW: This isn't a religion thing, although in NI it lends itself mostly to one religion or the other)"
Unionism is a political ideal. My Irishness and my Britishness are my birthright.
"Northern Ireland as an entity remaining as it is, is not a prerequiste to unification. I'd fully support NI retaining huge autonomy in return for Irish unification"
Unification will not come about by telling people born and bred in Northern Ireland what they are and what they are not.
Even in a so called "united" Ireland, I will be Irish and British. What's more, any "Eire Nua" would fully respect, and uphold, that.
British identity on this island is not going away anytime soon.
"As you accept, playing for the ROI is a political choice to play for one's nation"
Yes, that's correct.
"Full recognition of both communities at matches. Flying both the UJ or 6C flag and the Tricolour or at the very least the flag of Ulster. Seeing you insist on GSTQ, then have the SS there aswell"
I don't "insist" on GSTQ. I would like a distict Northern Irish anthem - akin to those pertaining to Scotland and Wales. A new flag also, for sporting occassions.
"I'm an Irish citizen born and bred in England. I feel no loyalty to this country. I do not support any of its sporting teams or wars that it likes to campaign in the name of 'freedom.' The Union Jack is more offensive to me than the swatika because it is an irredentist rag which displays its occupation of my country. I would never, ever call myself English or British, not even to point score on an English football forum"
Good for you - I respect your identity.
I identify somewhat differently to you.
As I said in my post, we shouldn't dream...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Like myself, I'm quite sure Willie John and many other Lions would identify as British AND Irish.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc67
I only want to see players wearing the green shirt of the Irish Football Association who are totally committed to giving 100% for the honour of that shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I think all our senior players currently do the shirt proud on that score.;)
Obviously. And I'm delighted for you/them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
But, given these two options ONLY, would you prefer a player to play for NI youths and then declare for the republic OR play for NI youths, want to declare for the republic but be stopped, and then play for NI senior side knowing he wants to play for the Republic?