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Look, TOWK, I'm nearly at a loss as to how to respond to that. You've a brass neck. You're not stupid so grow up and stop pretending to be. Why intentionally misinterpret what I've said? The loaded implication above is just so utterly warped. I'm not sure how you can think that I want you to stop posting. I suggested that if you have a problem with people scrutinising your opinions, it might be advisable for you to stop putting your opinions forward for discussion on a semi-public forum. I'm not telling you to stop posting or because I'd rather you didn't. Post all you want - you're more than welcome - but don't cry about it when someone pulls you up on the more brash and hysterical stuff you so often come out with. Express your opinions, certainly, but embrace debate and be prepared to defend your assertions too. Don't cry off and play the victim because you think people are being too hard on you. You express contentious opinions; it's only natural they'll provoke a reaction and requests for further clarification and substantiation. If you can't take the heat, then you're in the wrong place.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Strawman again. I wasn't even talking about his perceived nonchalance. I have no real problem with describing him as nonchalant. I can see that in his demeanour; I just don't think it should be confused for low work-rate or whatever. As I made very clear, I was referring specifically to your accusation that he was of low work-rate.Quote:
Again, stop overanalysing what I say. I said he was nonchalant. Someone said the same thing in the USA game thread and you didn't pull them up on it. You are making out that I insulted the player when I complimented him and offered constructive criticism that he could work a little harder if he wants to make the step up to PL & Intl. level. Again, I queried if this was because he was still working his way back to full fitness.
I thought you were referring to him generally rather than in that game specifically because of your initial phrasing. I couldn't be bothered pointing out the subtle shift in your latter phrasing from what you were originally asserting, but, if you weren't offering an opinion on him generally as a player, fair enough, I won't harp on.
Anyway, I'll analyse what I want. Does it irritate you that our opinions are scrutinised or something?
I don't know what this comment is in response to exactly. It's difficult to know when you don't refer back to whatever it is in my own post you're responding to.Quote:
It's common enough parlance, Danny. Should I ask my Granny to start going to football trials because people say their Granny is better at defending than Stephen Ward?
But not at a total loss... .. unfortunately :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Danny, do us all a favour and just let it go, as this is not working.
Danny, life is fleeting. It can end any moment. Life is too short to get worked up about stuff like this.
I made a comment about David McGoldrick being nonchalant in a game. I also praised him. I also said he could be working his way to full fitness. You brought up Robbie Keane for no logical reason at all (other than to provoke me?). You constantly deride me and question my motivations for posting. I have a right to post and have my opinions be respected, as I respect yours.
Now please inbox me if you want to continue arguing about whether I was calling McGoldrick lazy (I wasn't).
Scored the third in Ipswich's 3-0 win over Charlton, with Daryl Murphy getting the second.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uld9PTjHpWU
McGoldrick hit bar before Murphy gets second I think.
Although the BBC says
That is not right as the corner was not header straight in.Quote:
Daryl Murphy headed home David McGoldrick's corner from close range to double Ipswich's lead after the break.
Ipswich are really losing steam at present. Wolves, Norwich and Watford are really gaining momentum lately. I fear for Ipswich and Derby's ability to hold on to their places in the playoff positions.
McGoldrick hasn't featured in a month due to injury problems and before that he was struggling for form. Noel Hunt's injury, too, has knocked the wind from their sails. I think their lack of squad depth and dependence on Murphy is hurting them a bit now.
http://www.ipswich.vitalfootball.co....e.asp?a=387620
An interesting article about McGoldrick.
A bit disappointing that some of the new/fringe players who starred in that USA game haven't pushed on due to form and injury problems (Christie, McGoldrick, Brady); McClean too looks destined for League One football next season unless he gets a move - hopefully his teams position doesn't knock his confidence.
Hopefully Gibson can remain fit to compensate for this.
Derby's automatic chances have taken a blow but there's no way they'll fall out of top six. I think themselves and Norwich will probably get the two automatics as there are plenty of slips in the likes of Middlesbrough and Bournemouth. Watford are looking pretty threatening alright though.
That's true about the USA hopefuls but only Brady is a significant loss really (so far).
Finally back from injury and makes the bench v Norwich.
First of the new season for McGoldrick - http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33857650 - good to have another striker starting to score goals again after an injury-hit gap
http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich_...dyer_1_4540943Quote:
KD: After your loan spell at Ipswich from Coventry, it was made permanent and you were on fire. If you hadn’t got injured towards the end of that first season I think Ipswich would have made the play-offs. I know all about injuries and you have suffered your fair share. I was told that when your hamstring went this season, you were close to tears, which I can understand. How do you cope with injuries because they have been a set-back, and do you feel they have robbed you of playing in the Premier League so far?
Guess he won't be getting signed by a Premier League team.
I'd love to know what Keane said after the Scotland match that they all respected so much.
Yeah that'd be interesting. It would have been difficult to find positives that night, a few home truths maybe, but in an encouraging way. Good interview actually, Dyer's questions were slightly more interesting than a lot of journalist's you read.
Big Didz is linked with Sheffield Wednesday, FC Twente and CD Lugo of the Spanish second tier.
McCarthy comments on links: http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-n...-in-mcgoldrick
Bit mad. They turned down upwards of £5 million from Leicester this time last year - why would a Segunda Division side be in for him?
Out until Christmas.
Goal and assist for McGoldrick after coming off the bench.
Ipswich winning 3-2 away to Wigan.
It's been a little while since his third, but David McGoldrick got his fourth goal of the season tonight. I have noted that previously we will likely have to replace three strikers before next year's Euro qualifiers as Walters, Murphy and Doyle will all be turning 35 by then. McGoldrick along with Adam Rooney and perhaps Cillian Sheridan are currently our only confirmed options who are playing near at a level appropriate to take over then (barring Madden or O'Brien moving up a division, some successful recruiting, or the likes of Maguire, Grego-Cox or McDonagh making a big breakthrough). But given the comments about a major drop-off in performance by Walters and Doyle, and with Murphy and Long not being exactly prolific, should we be thinking of making more immediate changes? Should McGoldrick, Rooney and/or Sheridan be given game time against Mexico and even Uruguay to prepare them for the later qualifiers? I know they may not be the most inspiring options but they are playing regularly and capable of finding the target and McGoldrick did show well against the USA a couple of years back, setting up two goals.
Surely one of the dual eligible lads will be hauled aboard soon, or will decide to help himself to an international career, I mean after all it only requires being a squad member at a reasonable level, the ability to finish one chance in five or that way, and a working knowledge of the offside rule to walk onto a 50 cap career as things stand, with a top twenty five ranked nation presently. Remarkable.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
I'm beginning to lean towards TOWK's way of thinking - we've made our interest known to a number of eligible players and only Will Keane (forgot to mention him) has shown an interest and he is still unproven at senior level so perhaps we should move on and start looking at our actual options like McGoldrick, who has been playing at Championship level for the past decade and has a reasonable scoring record which puts him on a par with or not far off three of the forwards we're chasing in terms of pedigree - Hogan, Jutkiewicz and RobinsonQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
These are donkeys though, good donkeys, and our donkeys, but ultimately at the required level, donkeys.
Equally some of the proposed recruits might well also be donkeys soon too, but haven't fully shown themselves up as such donkeys just yet.
What we need is Ronan Hale to reveal himself as a pedigree chaser.
But we have looked at McGoldrick, he's a live option. He makes the squad when fit and even came off the bench in Austria. Are you just suggesting that we play him more often? From what I have seen of him I think he's a bit of a luxury player but not really good enough to accommodate in a really serious game. Isn't he more of a link man between the midfield and a more natural striker in any case? I think it's an out and out number nine that we really need. The three you've named above fit that description a lot more but it remains to be seen if they're interested and/or good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
McGoldrick has five caps and has been called into numerous squads since 2014. I rate him and, sure, maybe we could utilise him some more in upcoming friendlies, but it's not really as if he has been ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
In terms of looking at our available options or attempting to recruit guys like Hogan or Robinson, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Isn't it possible to do both? It's only a matter of having someone communicate with the latter on behalf of the FAI to let them know the situation and to gauge their interest. If they reject your declaration of interest, what more can you do?
Perhaps International football doesn't seem all that attractive to some of these possibilities these days...
Does it effect their earning potential......... Clubs may prefer players not playing international football
Does it effect possible transfers to " Bigger Clubs ".... Clubs may prefer players not playing international football
Potential injuries and the travel / time involved in playing international football...... Clubs may prefer players not playing international football
If you are treating your career as a business (which it probably is /definitely ) then does playing international football for small countries like Ireland make sense.......... ?
I would say it would enhance players' value, marketability and earning potential. The obvious problem though from our perspective is that an England cap, for example, will potentially prove much more valuable to a player in strict financial terms (ignoring the emotional side of things) than an Ireland cap would, and money talks.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
As do agents. The agent is a much more powerful and influential being in the modern game and he or she will be advising players' on a career-focused basis and on how to maximise their value and earning potential, rather than on how to explore their heritage or get closer to their cultural roots.
It's only natural that dual national players will be heavily influenced and motivated by potential financial incentives given any decision they make on international football will directly affect their future career, livelihood and security. Consequently, I'm sure many dual nationals will consider the financial factor - along with other factors, no doubt - and many may be happier to hold out for a single/handful of England cap(s) than rack them up for Ireland.
Probably true, considering international breaks can impact negatively upon fluidity (in terms of training, organisation and tactics) at the club and there is also the potential for players to pick up injuries whilst on international duty. You can see how it grates with Everton when their Irish players pick up or aggravate injuries whilst on international duty with us and it was obvious that Alex Ferguson pressured Roy Keane to avoid friendlies back in the day.Quote:
Clubs may prefer players not playing international football
Players will also be expending considerable energy whilst away on international duty - both playing for their country and potentially travelling long cross-continental or cross-global distances - and I'm sure any club would prefer this time and energy to be invested in the club instead.
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Originally Posted by DeLorean
My main point is that previously I had been thinking of the start of the next qualifiers as the point where we would have to start replacing strikers, but with some on this forum fretting about the performance of Walters and Doyle recently and with Murphy in and out of the Newcastle team, I started wondering whether they will be able to provide the necessary contributions in six months' time - we may need reinforcements sooner than anticipated and McGoldrick is best positioned to come in if necessary, based on his Championship experience and his five caps. But I would be concerned about him playing in vital fall qualifiers with only five caps and 12 minutes of competitive international football under his belt (that said, Darren Randolph. And hopefully his cameo against Austria is a sign that MON acknowledges the impending situation and is prepping him for more action later). So ultimately, my point is that I think he should get significant game time against Mexico and Uruguay and in any other post- and pre-season friendlies before we go to Georgia in September.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I've said it before. Lads like Christie and McGoldrick and Christie didn't need prompting to play for us.
We don't have a good track record of coaxing players who need begging, like Hogan, Redmond and Bamford.
I wouldn't get hung up on them.
We have managed to score goals in the absence of one of our most crucial players and highest goalscorer, Robbie Keane.
I am confident we will continue to do so.
You can add Christie to that list :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
No disagreement there, but no harm in still making inquiries with other potential options of dual nationality either. It doesn't have to be one or the other and there's absolutely nothing to lose from asking, except for a possible little bit of face if a player snubs an advance, but that's really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
It can be nice to be asked and kinda could break the ice and there is nothing wrong with a no thank You or even a polite give me some time (a reasonable amount of time) to think about it................Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
You've also questioned their motivation and attachment. Specifically in these two cases, and in McGoldrick's case quite recently. I think it's bizarre that you now cite each of these as a shining example of non-Irish born players committing given that you've criticised different aspects of their attachment in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Yes, but such is the standard of international football, that many of the opposition also have donkeys so it's a question of whether our donkeys are better than theirs, otherwise you end up looking like a jackass.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Point out where I said Christie and McGoldrick weren't committed. Christie, himself, said that Ireland was not his first choice; he was up front about it. I've also responded to what you've said about McGoldrick and I don't think I have anything to apologise for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I didn't say you said they weren't committed. I said you questioned their motivation (for declaring) and their attachment.
McGoldrick scored tonight as Ipswich beat Newcastle 3-1 (Daryl Murphy got Newcastle's goal). It's only McGoldrick's fifth of the season but it's his second in four games. Hopefully he can get a bit of a run going in the next couple of weeks and make himself a viable option for the upcoming friendlies and perhaps the qualifiers. I think when he's on his game he's good enough to be in the squad and right now he would still be top of our options once Walters, Doyle and Murphy retire (or if one of them gets injured) so let's hope he builds this into a good run of form.
After the way he played upon coming on against Austria I'd sincerely hope he's never our first option.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
Thought McGoldrick played well against Austria. Came on and, along with McGeady, provided a bit of calm in a team that aren't known for it.
god I have to agree with towk on this. Mcgoldrick dived in and missed an awful tackle on the half way line in the move that janko missed the sitter at the very end.it was just so lazy and brainless he just needed to work harder push the full back inside not dive in and open up the whole pitch. Still nice footballer but I wouldn't trust him anywhere but as theain striker for nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
The reality is that the way things stand at the moment, he is the first option to replace Walters, Doyle and Murphy when they retire, which will probably happen next year. And unless Sean Maguire makes an instant impact at a Championship team next season or Scott Hogan comes on board or Reece Grego-Cox, Gerry McDonagh and/or Joe Quigley has a stellar breakout season that isn't going to change. And even if one or two of those things happen, McGoldrick would still be in the mix for consideration for the next qualifiers, so we might as well give him some more consistent game-time. Who knows? If he gets settled in the games against Mexico and Uruguay, or any late summer friendlies, he might even become and option in the Fall qualifiersQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Its a timing issue. We look to have some serious potential at under 17 and 19 level (Hale, McAuley, the Southampton lads) and little at under 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
That said, The worry is that the lads at under 17 and 19 don't push on. We have had a lot of false dawns at that level in recent memory e.g. Mikey Drennan, Graham Burke, Ronan Murray, Sam Byrne, Joe Mason.