Home supporter ban , yes but partiallly, the older heads in the stand should be still ok.
I’d have added a 70k fine and passed it on to Dundalk too.
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Home supporter ban , yes but partiallly, the older heads in the stand should be still ok.
I’d have added a 70k fine and passed it on to Dundalk too.
It was recorded on the pitch so it was an accredited person from the media. Its shouldn't be too hard to find out who it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
The fact the famous 4 5 years group put it up on their socials illustrates their guilt ans responsiblly for the action. But wait aren't they being protected by a particular co-chair/TD
The first part is the thing for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie mac
Drogs have now brought collective punishment on the league, and the clubs they were due to play away in particular, because they won't single out the famous 45s and send them to the guards. Criminal charges should have been the answer here. This wasn't some random toerags acting out. It was premeditated and bragged about, not to mentioned filmed by someone who is obviously known to the club.
This was a chance to take responsible action and instead, they've circled the wagons and hurt the league as a whole. Outside of the away ban, the image of the league has taken a hit and our ability to create a unique atmosphere, that while not to everyone's taste, is imop a big driver in fan growth.
Sadly this season hasn't even got going and it's getting more bad publicity than anything else. My own club isn't covering itself in glory either.
A plague on their houses. The minister is pleased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinkicker
https://www.dundalkfc.com/pyros-change-starts-now
Strong statement from Dundalk going forward.
Split the €15k between the impacted clubs - everyone's happyQuote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Dundalk are to pay for €70k repairs but the fine for the damage is only €15k.
Dundalk have released statement and say € 70k is not correct , it’s not that much but still substantialQuote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Would it not be covered by insurance?
The cost for Insurance will then skyrocket for Dundalk (and other LOI clubs). You might be better off doing it out of pocket. (Although I have no idea on the costs).Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
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I am pretty angry by the fact that Drogheda have not called out the the group involved, and have taken the easy way out by blaming unnamed "individuals".
The F47 unfurled a banner that said "Back once again with the ill behaviour" and threw the flares simultaneously, and then celebrated it online with a video showing the damage.
To pretend its some bad faith individuals is cowardice at the highest level. No one has been banned yet, not even those who publicly celebrated the vandalism online.
Drogheda fans are obsessed at the moment with trying to validate or soften the behaviour.
Ultimately, there is no excuses to not improving Oriel Park, no matter how small or big. But as said elsewhere, if new toilets were installed, they would have been ripped out. Very fustrating.
Maybe - but if it goes up for other clubs, then at least Drogheda pay a portion. Or the cost is spread out and it's easier for Dundalk to manage. That's ultimately one of the main points of insurance. Of course in the end, you end up paying the cost through your insurance, but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
So Drogs get to hurt other clubs on another front? 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Consider it making a contribution of their own!
I previously posted about the ineffectiveness of CCTV when it comes to trying to identify people in such groups to gain enough evidence to take action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roones26
Dogs have a very short working time, approx 20 minutes, and then need a 20 minute break. Then there is the cost which would be considerable. Was considered at one point in the Irish League and dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
maybe im just really, really old and uncool now but that is so cringey...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
They should be forcibly disbanded for a number of reasons including the banner. So a bunch of fans can state in advance on their social media pages what they have planned, the can then act out the planned scumbaggery, can show videos of their conduct on a commissioned and format on their dedicated social media page and manage not to be mentioned in any of the reports or disciplinary investigations. Are the FAI that meek, Drogheda that beholden to this group or does Byrne really put her neck on the line to protect them. The F45 should have received a specific ban, now they could have gone to games as themselves rather than as a group but the group needed to be held accountable in a significant way. There is no deterrent in this. What will happen now is a daft individual will set off a flare between UCD and Kerry or some other benign pairing and they will have to play BCD. Also how much is it per flare to be fined? Almost 80 flares were counted in the away section in Oriel over two periods, so standard fine + 15k? Drogs officials are breathing deep with relief.
Fair play to Drogheda.
Which is the club doing the right thing by paying for the repairs in Oriel. But imo it still leaves the culprits off scot free and laughing at their good nights work.
https://droghedaunited.ie/dufc-statement/
Have to say full marks to Drogs and not often I will say that, really fair play by them.
Much like the guards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
I agree. Fair play on offering to pay the costs but I think a chance is missed to get rid of pyro (full stadium bans for the beligerents)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
This probably draws a line under the whole debacle
Not just pyro, but that there are lines not to cross on all conduct, and for the record I tend to hold my own clubs fans to the highest bar due to embarrassment felt when we're let down, so not that I just want some Drogs fans to suffer. It is a missed opportunity to show those that care least that there are direct consequences.
You can just say we've identified people and sanctioned them. How many and what is the punishment? Sounds like a cosy little arrangement. They've done the right thing in paying for damage tho
Before I say this , the damage caused at Oriel was 100 % down to the Drogheda fans who caused itQuote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
It was apparently all over their social media in the week before what they were planning to do . With the nature of social media did no one from Dundalk get wind if this ? and if they did , why were the Drogheda fans not banned in advance due to the threat of trouble ?
Spot on. That statement is very weak imop. What are the sanctions?Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Paying for the damage is good but it won't help the overall image of the league really. A harder line should have been taken with those responsible.
But great to see flares all over the place last night and a few callouts for the minister.
Dundalk released a statement a day before the game that added security checks would take placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Glen Of Aherlow
https://www.dundalkfc.com/important-...on-louth-derby
Even though the club were probably braced for pyros and flares I don't think there was an expectation that they'd be lit and fired straight away and thrown as missiles before the flare even reached max temperature.
I suspect the FAI didn't think it was too great so I'd say the club can expect heavier than usual fines for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
Which club? There were flares at loads of games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
If we all took note of what appears on social media, no one would leave the house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen Of Aherlow
All clubs whose fans let off flares. I'll be shocked if they don't come down hard on them after last weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
Maybe. But I doubt it. They had to act with drogs because drogs didn't act themselves. No harm was done at any game with flares last night. Starting to punish every club in the league wouldn't go very well for them imop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
I feel it's hard to tell a Government Minister to "Get ****ed" and think absolutely nothing will happen tbh
the sensible thing would be to figure out how to integrate flares into pre-game displays responsibly rather than banning them completely or making them illegal. They can add so much to a game, in my opinion, the look and the atmosphere.
Is he going to pull more funding? He played his hand way too strongly imop. All he had at the end of the day was to threaten to pull funding for astros, of which none was planned anyway afaik.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Sure we will see. I'm guessing he will turn a blind eye, as he usually does with the league. The media narrative has already started to turn on him. He got his strong statement out and his bit of notoriety. Made his gaa friends happy as well. What's his win from here?
They are already illegal TBF. I agree with you though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
true, true, was just reacting to the headlines i saw... would be so much smarter to work with supporter groups and figure it out... always the heavy handed draconian approach to something...which to your point is actually just an enforcement issue...Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
Yeah that's why I'm disappointed in Drogs. Although TBF it sounds like they did hand someone over. Our firework incident in Waterford was absolutely crazy but the lad was handed to the guards and we didn't have to deal with the minister for sport soapboxing for clicks. He and his mate were also rogue actors and not a cohesive group with a plan. Clubs need to take accountability. If it goes over the line, the law is on their side.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
It's not the government that I'd expect to do anything substantive, more the FAI. Haven't they already fined clubs for similar incidents on regular occasions in the past, when it wasn't as sensitive an issue? They made clubs put out statements about zero tolerance for pyros, it's their big public issue at the moment. I'll be very surprised if it's ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
They have of course. Particularly a season or two ago. They might again. And then they'll try to ignore it again because they know it's part of the attraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Are smoke bombs and cold flares illegal? Also, if flares are illegal how come you can buy them in marine shops.