The additional over 100k spent on legal fees now doesn’t look the may west when added to the 525k they’ve missed out onQuote:
Originally Posted by ger121
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The additional over 100k spent on legal fees now doesn’t look the may west when added to the 525k they’ve missed out onQuote:
Originally Posted by ger121
it has been rejected, that's confirmed now, they also spent '6 figures' on the appeal, so thats 100k min lost now along with the 525k they wont get.
Sorry for some of the Drogs fans I know, but as a whole they should be asking serious questions to their owners, Barry Landy local journalist there called this potential tricky situation out 3 or 4 months ago. The owners obv gambled on the Danish side not making euro (remember Drogs had effectively qualified Nov 2024), but they made it last day or latter end of their season, and as higher ranked took the spot. They had months to prepare for this eventuality and seemingly did nothing.
All the blame on this should not be directed towards UEFA / CAS, it is firmly on the doorstep of Trivela Group.
I’m more ****ed off we didn’t apply for a licence. Something for the next AGM no doubt.
Aside from the obvious fact that the league will now only have 3 representatives etc, rovers starting in the second round is a shame as they’d have likely picked up 2 wins in the first round which would’ve been handy for the league’s coefficient
It's a collective failure of all PD clubs who didn't bother applying. I guess some will learn and put an application in next season, just in case.
Definitely. Frustrating (but not surprising) to read Drogheda's statement. They're a poor community club, the ruling is unjust, they disagree with it, they'll push for reform, they've never been handed anything - typical activist ******ology. One throwaway line to say they accept responsibility and then back to ranting.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
I'd be furious at Trivela if I was a Drogheda fan.
Where have the FAI been in all this?
An interesting line in the CAS statement this evening.
"The Panel considered the evidence and found that, despite a change of assessment date from 3 June 2025 to 1 March 2025, such change was properly communicated by UEFA and that DUFC knew or ought to have known about this change."
To be aware of this change, a club would need to have had a UEFA Circular of the 7th October 2024 sent to national associations shared with them. Did the FAI share it with the LOI clubs?
If they did not, did the UEFA take the position that "ignorance of the law is no defence" and the CAS accepted that position? The other way to see UEFA Circulars is to check their website on occasion, but as we all know, the intent to keep checking is not always followed through and therefore it is essential that national associations share ALL circulars with clubs, both those from UEFA and those from FIFA.
It will be interesting to see if the full determination is published in the coming months.
The only people who are too blame in all this are Trivela. Europe isn't for everyone
They were handed a first league and cup back in the day by spending borrowed money. They've always had a victim mentality. They even dodged their end because the FAI reluctantly bought Unted Park to bail them out. I am slightly amused but only because they are not taking any real responsibility, even partially, for the mess. Id still like to know, if anyone does, who different a PD licence is from a European one, just the actual submission envelope and stamp?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
There are differences. How significant they are is debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
You can see them contain in the Licensing document.
https://d2w4iw8gs9jo14.cloudfront.ne...ing_Manual.pdf
The model they signed up for worked great for them when they won the cup and probably stopped them getting relegated. Its the same model that now is going to work against them. Can't have it every way, when ye know what ye sign up for.
"We will push for reform so that no other community club finds itself in this position again"
Trivela's ownership kind of undermines the plucky little community club battlers tag.
so what happens now...do trivela sell? or is it one of these blind trusts to hold the sgares, which is a load of legal ******, they as do the forest owner will still call the shots
Ironically a community club wouldn't have found themselves in this situation so there's no need to push for reform. The system works. I have some sympathy for the fans of Drogheda and that's where it stops. Trivela & the clubs board dropped the ball on this one and shoulder the majority of the blame. If other clubs are exploiting loopholes the framework to get around the rules exists and can be implemented if they wanted to. They were either too lazy or ignorant to bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bohtastic
Thinking overnight… there must be* a participation clause with the FAI that clubs will not do anything that damages the reputation or integrity of the association and its competitions. Trivela have damaged the league’s ranking with the co-efficient of three clubs divisible by four. (I think the only way they definitively can't damage the ranking is if all clubs lose all their European ties.) Should the FAI take action against Trivela? Punitive action, or force ownership into a blind trust, and make that a condition for any club in a multi-club ownership model going forward?
*Well, it’s the FAI after all so maybe not.
The pots for today’s draw are out.
Pats will play one of
BFC Daugavpils (LVA)
FCB Magpies (GIB)
NSÍ Runavík (FRO)
FC Hegelmann (LTU)
and Shels will play one of
Fotbal Club FCSB (ROU)
Lincoln Red Imps FC (GIB)
FC Drita (KOS)
Breidablik (ISL)
Linfield FC (NIR)
I think it makes more sense to think of it as Drogheda scratching both games. So even if all our other teams lose all their games, Drogheda are still impacting the coefficient by waiving their chance at contributing to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
Under your way of looking at it, any side that performs under the average (which would have been everyone bar Rovers last year) would have damaged the coefficient
I think the clause you suggest makes sense if it's reciprocal. The FAI also can't do anything that damages the reputation or integrity of the clubs and their competitions. :)
And joking aside - and without wanting to shift responsibility for this from Trivela - how were they involved in all this? Did nobody push Drogheda? Or was it not until Silkeborg qualified last month that they realised there was a problem?
Such a corporate press release
This forum is all about opinions of course,but I personally don't think Pats were below average in Europe last season,I think they were slightly above par if anything. id say Shels were about par on their exploits last year..we won't talk about the pub team winning in the brandywell..Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
If shels can avoid the Romanians and Brideblik today they have a good chance of going through.
Good for Pat’s as a seeded side and very good for Shels as the unseeded side if they can avoid Steaua Nua.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
As well as figuring out how to ensure the same thing doesn't happen again; I think this shows that the FAI need to support - from funds they don't have etc etc - other PD clubs in applying for licences to ensure four clubs can go forward in any circumstances.
Geysir, if he is around, might be able to give us the lowdown on how Breidablik compare to the side from 2023.
This would seem to be the case, Trivela essentially 'gambled' on Silkeborg not making ECL due to them being in mid table and out of cup, but they won the end of season euro play off from 6th or 7th spot and made it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Worse, a Drogs journo who is well versed Barry Landy flagged this potential minefield in early 2025, but seems no one took notice, and nothing was done to counter the 'what if' scenario happened, which it did.
Then they spent 100k + defending it, lost it, and lost out on 525k min, as they could have progressed remember, plus gate money, could have got 700k.
I'd be abs furious with Trivela if I was a Drogs fan.
Well to be clear, I meant in terms of numerical coefficients purely. Pat's did very well in Europe last season - it's just that Rovers did so well that Pat's still dragged our coefficient down when you go by Eminence Grise's thinking. That is, if we had just had Rovers, the LoI would have scored 14.375 points last year. With Rovers/Pat's, our coefficient reduced to 9.188, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Surely what you're suggesting would just cause Trivela to pull out of Drogheda/LOI altogther, on the basis that it's more trouble than it's worth, esp when there are a dozen other comparable leagues which would be more welcoming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
And I can't see the LOI wanting that.
Shels vs Linfield. What a tie.
I'd say the only one you can level criticism at would be Derry, at a push, as they should've realised the risk re Drogheda's ownership. Daft to blame anyone else beyond that really. Particularly as there is presumably a decent amount of time, paperwork etc involved in it. Its not as if our clubs aren't busy enough as it is withoiut doing extra work for a miniscule chance that it'd actually be required.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidewayspasser
The FAI should mandate it as standard practise now that all PD clubs apply every year moving forwards.
Shels vs Linfield best draw possible on so many levels for us with the exception maybe some security headaches wrapping around the week of July 12th
Duffs comments about the troubles and marching will inevitably be more entertaining than the actual gameQuote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Yeah makes perfect sense now.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Great draw for shels,nordie football is absolutely woeful,Dundalk in their current 1st division guise
would give most of the top 4 IL teams a good game id say
Disappointed in Shamrock fans not having the beach balls out in Drogheda last night.
Joking aside, I do feel for Drogs fans. Going on European adventures is class. Miss them a lot.
St Pat's have been drawn against FC Hegelmann of Lithuania
Not an easy draw as far as unseeded first round teams go. They sit top of the league after 15 games over there in a league that along with Latvia often gets underestimated. I was over there in 2013 when Pats league winning team played Zalgiris and were knocked out by them in the second leg at home. And that was a Pats team that were far better than the current one. Having said that they’re probably not as good as some of the sides Pats beat in recent years in Europe so here’s hoping the current squad can pull the finger out for the second half of the season like they did last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Patchy against Lithuanian sides over the last 10-15 years. Definitely a couple of easier ties in that mini-group. Still if they want to go a few rounds again this season they need to be beating a side like this. Pat’s well suited to Europe in the way they set-up and play.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
Did you want Dundalk wiped out?......dont answer that!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
That is maybe the nicest thing you have ever said about Dundalk PC, I totally disagree with you but it is very nice of you! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
There was a time that I would have trawled through both UEFA and domestic licencing to see what additional work was involved to just submit an application for Europe, i'm not in the mood so hoped someone would do some spoon feeding. I know it'd be a rare enough thing for a side to be bumped but its not unknown, Trivela could have had a financial crisis rather than too many clubs. From now on everyone will be throwing their hat in the ring and such a situation migh never happen unless some county club goes from a new third tier to Europe in a couple of years (another reason not to like the county model......).
I think there is a clause on clubs messing on participation in Europe that could apply to Drogheda but I dont think the FAI will apply it. If someone wants to stick the boot in, insist on all rules being enforced at all times or use non use as a precedence if anyone falls foul of any other rule. I do hope we see the full rulings from UEFA and the CAS appeal and see what the various arguments were and be able to make a comparison with other multiclub issues. It will boil down to meeting deadlines or not but what case Drogs made would be interesting. Did the FAI get notification and not pass on changes in deadlines eg?? There'll be fun with that yet if so. Or it was a massive self inflicted thing by Drogs, did the owners even know. If deadlines passed before all clubs were qualified then there was a case for appeal.
Anyways, time to move on and hopefully, on paper so far, our league reps will progress and 3 out of 4 we'd have taken in advance.
"it'll be a cold day in hell before I lavish praise on dundalk"!!! :)
Might not be true,but having seen a number of games up there over the course of the last couple of years, I don't have a high opinion of IL football - chris shields is one of the better players there and he's about 106..
FAI admits it didn’t send important UEFA circular on multi-club ownership to Drogheda United
Jesus Christ...
Now granted Trivela should still have known because they owned other clubs. But still. Is this the stupidest thing the FAI have ever done?
I can think of way more stupid things they've done over the years. They should have sent it to any clubs that had any kind of multi club set up to be on the safe side because you just never know. But at the same time they said they made Trivela aware of the potential difficulties in November. Yes, again, they could have actually sent them the circular at that point, but if they told them the rules had changed then Trivela should have had enough competent people employed to be able to dig out such things. And as you say they are quite likely to have been made aware of it by the Danish or English FA's.
Decent draws for both clubs. They'll both be favourites I'd imagine. Shels getting an out of season team was really important. Will be watching with interest tomorrow to see what the second round draws might bring for all 3 of the teams.
No real glamour ties to be had in round 2 really. Red Star, Bratislava and Ljubljana look like the most winnable to me while not knowing much about the sides.
Chance they draw Maccabi Tel-Aviv too which would put Shels in a pretty nasty position. If they said 50% of match day sales go to Palestinian aid I genuinely reckon they could sell out Croke Park for a protest dressed up as a Champions League tie.
And get an enormous fine in the process.
European hierarchy have to protect their zionist backers