Longford Town, please forfeit future European games

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Originally Posted by DE TOWN

Where do you start? We never showed up. Didnt look interested from the off. Our defence was a shambles. 5 goals were EASILY avoidable, Carmarthen didnt have to work hard to go through, we handed it to them on a plate.

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Idiots :rolleyes:

Before the first leg the papers were full of quotes from Longford management and players saying they weren't gonna be complicant and learn from the mistake of Vaduz last year.
I don't believe the not turning up thing one bit.
Longford don't have the ability to play in Europe full stop, with the exception of quality players like Keego, Paisley and Baker.

First mistake was a throw back to the old days, getting the boat to the game, THE F UCKIN BOAT FFS!
Also the Welsh team were a bunch of amateurs, they were trying to get a convicted football hooligan out of jail to play up front for them against Longford
Finally I couldn't be happier for Barry Ferguson, saw him havin a good cry after the game, C UN T :mad:

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Originally Posted by BohsFans

I don't believe the not turning up thing one bit.

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were you there?

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with the exception of quality players like Keego, Paisley and Baker.

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Shows what you know if you think Keego and Dessie are "quality players".

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First mistake was a throw back to the old days, getting the boat to the game, THE F UCKIN BOAT FFS!

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1) We don't exactly have a money tree growing out in Flancare, so it was the cheaper option.
2) There is no airport near Newtown, so why fly to Cardiff and then have to drive miles?

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

So, Longford dudes ....

Any room in your stand for a few disillusioned Glenmen?

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Too much room :o Bring your whole crowd if possible, Fill up Flancare Pk a bit :o :D

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Originally Posted by BohsFans

First mistake was a throw back to the old days, getting the boat to the game, THE F UCKIN BOAT FFS!:mad:

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Suggest an alternative form of transport.

Newtown is roughly equal distance from Birmingham, Cardiff and Holyhead. Personally speaking, I took the boat, very comfortable and your not as packed up as being on a plane. The check-in times for a boat and luggage are excellent too. It's a very enjoyable method of visiting wales and I have absolutly no time for anyone who begrudges LT their choice of travel.

For you guys who need it spelt out for you, the "forfeit" comment was sarcasm.

I've travelled to Wales a number of times on the fast ferries and they're a great way to travel. They've far more room than aircraft obviously and given that there are no airports particularly near that ground it was a perfectly reasonable decision.

Longford got a terrible result- but they earned the right to participate fair and square. I think a lot of people rate our league a hell of a lot higher than they should- it's not too long ago that our super-duper European Giant professional outfits were getting crap results too. Shels barely managed to get past an Icelandic midtable last year and it's not too long since they lost at home to a team from Malta on live TV. Every club that's particpated in Europe has got bad results- now is that because the clubs in question let us down or because our league is of a very poor standard?

The cup represents a chance for every club to dream of the chance of getting into Europe. And that's the way it should be. Some people on this board seem to think that we should basically put the same teams into Europe every season so they can get the hang of it. Sod that- if we had a better league we'd get better results, simple as that. Even the best, most professional teams in the country on their best days aren't capable of matching even modest European teams for technique and passing ability. That's what's depressing, and that is what people should be worrying about.

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Originally Posted by DE TOWN

Píss off :mad:

Are you generally stupid? I said the AVERAGE wage is about €300-350. Ferguson is probably on €500-600 a week. But you have to take into account the likes of Gary Murphy and Cassin who would bring the AVERAGE down.

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You really are deluding yourself if you think Longford's average wage bill is €300-350, cop on to yourself. There is absolutely no way its anywhere near that low. I would imagine even the likes of Harps or Waterford wouldn't even have a wage bill as low as that. :rolleyes:

If you lads are saying that some of the players are on 600 or 700 euro a week then why are they not full time? You also say you have NO fulltime players at Longford. I didnt know that :eek:

Apart from that the reslut in Wales was the worst one ever in my opinion. Saying Shels and Pats etc got bad results in the past doesnt take away from it. Losing to a Welsh team in 2005, 5-1!! Whats done is done but you didnt learn from your mistake last season and from comments by Longford Town fans now it appears you have not learned it this time either.

Am I right that your team was clapped off the pitch it Wales?

You should have beat them off the pitch in Wales. Your negative useless manager is to blame. Why you accept that your no better then a cup win and finsh 5th in the league side I'll never know. No other set of fans would defend what went on. Matthews appears to be one big idiot.

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Originally Posted by higgins

If you lads are saying that some of the players are on 600 or 700 euro a week then why are they not full time? You also say you have NO fulltime players at Longford. I didnt know that :eek:

Apart from that the reslut in Wales was the worst one ever in my opinion. Saying Shels and Pats etc got bad results in the past doesnt take away from it. Losing to a Welsh team in 2005, 5-1!! Whats done is done but you didnt learn from your mistake last season and from comments by Longford Town fans now it appears you have not learned it this time either.

Am I right that your team was clapped off the pitch it Wales?

You should have beat them off the pitch in Wales. Your negative useless manager is to blame. Why you accept that your no better then a cup win and finsh 5th in the league side I'll never know. No other set of fans would defend what went on. Matthews appears to be one big idiot.

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They most certainly did clap them off the absolute complete and utter wastes of space. Clapping that sh*t was one of the worst aspects of it for me.Aside from I and a few other bright souls the rest seem to think Matthews is a good manager they are completely deluded but I dont care im sick to death giving out about him. They are never going to listen! :mad: :( :o

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Originally Posted by higgins

It started last season when they lost to a poor side. YES I know they are in the Swiss second division but thats exactly the point they are in the f**king swiss 2nd division.

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Give over.

Vaduz are far from a poor side and have a budget of about €3 million.

Who had never ever won a game in Europe before.

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Originally Posted by Feech

Give over.

Vaduz are far from a poor side and have a budget of about €3 million.

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True, but Mathews went into the games expecting a walk in the park, having not even gone to watch them play before. If you're going to represent your country on an international stage, the least you can do is aproach the game in a profesional manner, Longford didn't against Vaduz.

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Originally Posted by Luke O'Riordan

True, but Mathews went into the games expecting a walk in the park, having not even gone to watch them play before. If you're going to represent your country on an international stage, the least you can do is aproach the game in a profesional manner, Longford didn't against Vaduz.

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I happen to know that Longford had Vaduz watched before they played them. Which is what you would expect them to do.

So what if they'd never previously won in Europe - they only got promoted to the Swiss NLB 4 years ago. There's a first time for everything.

Until a few weeks ago Longford had also never won in Europe!

Vaduz are rubbish ..

They cant get into the Swiss 1st Division :)
Imagine that!! for a team that are decent. Do you think if Shels drew a team from Switzerland in the Champions League or UEFA Cup that they could expect to get hammered?? and that would be from a team in their top division!

Vaduz are a poor side and their results in Europe and their league shows this. As I said before Shels beat FC Chiassio or whatever way they spell it 4-1 when we were pre season and they are swiss 2nd division team.

It all goes again to prove the lack of ambition at Longford that they are happy to lose to s 2nd division swiss side. The only team you could get worse then Vaduz is possably a Welsh cup runner up :confused:

"Vaduz are a poor side and their results in Europe and their league shows this"

Well, without meaning to be rude, I do know a lot more about Swiss football than you.

Vaduz were in the playoffs the last 2 seasons in a row - this would suggest they are the 12th best team in all the Swiss leagues.

Beating a team in a friendly to be honest, doesn't mean a lot unless you are Brian Kerr.

When Bohs beat Spurs in a friendly would you use that to say Bohs would finish ahead of Everton in the Premiership?

You could, but you'd be stupid to do so......

Obviously Longford were not pleased to go out to Vaduz but anyone who follows European football very closely would not have been surprised. They're a club who have made massive progress recently and have plenty of internationals and European experience. For the 2nd year in a row they've progressed a round now.

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Originally Posted by Xlex

Suggest an alternative form of transport.

Newtown is roughly equal distance from Birmingham, Cardiff and Holyhead. Personally speaking, I took the boat, very comfortable and your not as packed up as being on a plane. The check-in times for a boat and luggage are excellent too. It's a very enjoyable method of visiting wales and I have absolutly no time for anyone who begrudges LT their choice of travel.

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FLY

getting the boat smacks of minnowism!

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Originally Posted by DE TOWN

were you there?

Shows what you know if you think Keego and Dessie are "quality players".

1) We don't exactly have a money tree growing out in Flancare, so it was the cheaper option.
2) There is no airport near Newtown, so why fly to Cardiff and then have to drive miles?

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1. No I wasn't there, but it's generally a stupid excuse used by crap managers FACT!

2. No one has a money tree, but you still were able to afford to sign 2 (?) players in the transfer window

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Originally Posted by wexford boy

How in gods name can a rovers fan come on this site and slag another club off.They are an absoulute joke.There not even fit to be a football club.Getting so far in the red and needing the court to wipe out all those "loans" is a disgrace.You dont even have a home ALL your squad can leave on a free so you have no right (weather you have apoligised or not)to comment on another club.As for longford i say good club under achieving squad decent manager take it on the chin and make all these morons eat there words.

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Clown. We have every right to comment on that result. You have no right to comment on something you obviously know nothing about. When one of the longford players calls it a disgrace I dont think further comment is needed. They have let down the credibility of the league and IMO there is no excuse for that.

KOH

Far too much talk about shame / embarrassment to the league. All teams are entitled to a bad result. Who are Longford an embarrassment to? The Eircom League fans in the face of the Premiership barstoolers? Those same Eircom League fans who were hoping Deportivo beat Shels 10-0 last year?
I remember everyone jumpingup and down claiming we'd shamed the league by losing 1-0 at home to Hibs of Malta 2 years ago. Fact was, they barely got out of their half for 91 minutes, and then hit us a sucker blow. No shame. Just the way football goes sometimes.
Kenny didn't deserve the boot last year, and Matthews doesn't deserve it now.

Yeah Steaua, they're no Welsh league side are they.

Don't even try and compare them, that's f'n pathetic, which is what Longfords result still is.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Yeah Steaua, they're no Welsh league side are they.

Don't even try and compare them, that's f'n pathetic, which is what Longfords result still is.

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I agree, Cop on, Carmarthen v Steaua, no contest.

Steau will possibly be in the Champions League. No comparison between the sides.

Shelbourne have disappointed themselves and possibly some other eL fans but they have not embarrassed the league whatever about our result.

Of the last 20 champions league/European Cup finals Steau have played in twice as many as Man Utd, Chelsea & Arsenal put together.

There is no comparison with a Mickey Mouse Welsh side.

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Originally Posted by Cop on

Whats pathetic is the abuse other fans gave us in the wake of our nightmare last week. I thought it was particularly ignorant and spiteful at the time to come on to this board and abuse us for what was already a very, very painful experience.

You will note today that no one (myself included) abused you, your fans or your team in the wake of you being dumped out of the Champions League. I commiserate with you and all the fans that travelled to the game.

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Nobody abused you, the fans. They were having a go at the team and Matthews. And there were plenty of Longford fans who were (rightly) making the exact same points.

As you'll see in the Steaua match thread, Fenlon and some of the players are getting alot of stick from fans across the country, and those people are spot on, and the Shels fans are agreeing with them.

I haven't commented on the 5-1 defeat until now but i was amazed Matthews had the check to show his face on RTE last night for Shels game.

A 5-1 defeat in Europe is bad enough but losing to 6th place Welsh team was a shameful display by the Longford Town team. Almost as bad as the 10-0 aggregate lose Pats had to the Macedonians.

The Longford Town team should apologise to the eircom league.

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Originally Posted by pete

I haven't commented on the 5-1 defeat until now but i was amazed Matthews had the check to show his face on RTE last night for Shels game.

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Very surprised at that. How did he fair, did ever look like the black pot?

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The Longford Town team should apologise to the eircom league.

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They should not, that's bull.... The only people that deserve an apology are their supporters and the people to work hard to enable LTFC survive, nobody else. They have apologised through Digger, time to move on.

BTW, totally disagree with Cop On, for the record.

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Originally Posted by Cop on

What exactly do you disagree about ??

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The general opinion that Shelbournes loss equaltes to ours. Telling Shels fans their very quiet this morning. [color=black]Resurrecting [/color]this thread.

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Originally Posted by pete

I haven't commented on the 5-1 defeat until now but i was amazed Matthews had the check to show his face on RTE last night for Shels game.:eek:

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I nearly split my sides when he went on saying how poor defending will be punished at this level. What was he sayoing to ferguson last week. Oh yeah he was to busy licking his @rse. BTW how could anyone even try to compare Towns defeat to the steaua game. Steaua would **** all over carmarthen like we SHOULD have.

The result & performance in Wales was a disgrace no excuses.How people can come on here and reckon we owe the EL an apology is beyond me.We got the same points as Cork and i don't feel like they owe the EL an apology.It's just typical that some people wait in the wings and as soon as you are down they kick as you as hard as possible and when you slag off our team or our management you do insult us.Most of us love our team and will stick by them no matter what and when you come on here spouting crap about LTFC i for one will do my best to stand up for my team.
As i said, the result & performance in Wales was a disgrace but we're not the first EL club to mess up in Europe and we won't be the last.
Anyone who really believes that LTFC should not qualify for Europe as to help the League is a complete and utter idiot and should organise they're own little league where only 3 or 4 teams can play in and where they can all qualify for Europe but if they get a bad result they are kickenot allowed qualify again.
Finally,each and every club has a bad result which hurts to the bone and ours just happened to be in Europe so get over it.

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Originally Posted by Cop on

You are some mook to be talking about the credibility of the league. Of all the supporters to be throwing abuse about like this, surely you're in last place ??? Your glasshouse is much bigger than the rest --

As another foot.ier has quite rightly pointed out, you should remain very quiet because you never know when defeat/humiliation/embarrassment is about to visit you.

If I were you, I'd be extremely worried that a team that lost to Camarthen 5-1 was able to HAMMER Rovers in Dayler a couple of short months ago (finished two nil, but should have been at least six.) Now, what does that say about YOU ??

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Its an honour to take abuse off someone whose own fans thinks he's a joke. Would that be the supporters who have taken over the club? Who have funded the running of the club for the last 4 months? Who have stuck by the team week in week out for 18 years since we had a home?

We may have lost to you but we didnt lose to a welsh team 5-1 FFS so that is a comparison worthy of a "mook".

KOH

Don't crow too much too early, Shamrock Rover are not relegation proof yet.

As for the FAI cup, and I propose that it is held as an annual one off match between Cork City and Shelbourne, as they cannot win it themselves when other inferior teams are allowed enter the competrition. This would also ensure, that the biggest moans in the Eircom League would be guaranted entry to competitions which they cannot always obtain through their own domestic performances.
Maybe we should also let them form their own "Superior League" so that they never have to rub shoulders with the other "lower class" clubs. They would just spend the year playing with themselves as befits a crowd of W-nk-rs. :p ;)

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Originally Posted by Cop on

And who exactly is funding OUR club ?? Richard Branson ?? OUR supporters fund OUR club.

You SHOULD have lost 5-0 to us.

So what you want us to do now ?? **** off to the nether regions of the Leinster Senior League ?? For us all to be exiled to Van Diemens Land on a raft ?? So that we can leave the trophies to 'cup specialists' such as yourselves :rolleyes:

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all we are saying is thats 2 years on the spin bogford have hade an absolute disgrace of themselves in europe. why are bog bohs fans even argueing this point? denial of this obvious point and failure to address it could be very bad for your club.

shels at least won through two games before losing to a handy former EC winning team. you lost to lichensteinian and welsh opposition ffs. its simply not good enough.

and before you start, rovers have had some pathetic results in europe too. 8-1 to zabrize in 1994 was horrific, but the difference is we acknowledge hat fact.

and flancare park is a fine ground? you are having a laugh i presume?

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Originally Posted by Cop on

Ah come on , half a loaf is better than no bread ;) . Anyway, it IS a fine ground, non ??

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i deserve that!!

et non, c'est un stade merde! its all the red and black, makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach

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But the behaviour of higgins et al - to kick us when we were down

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Yeah I have been quiet because we lost to Steaua in the away leg :eek: Thats it , you got me !!

I fully expected Shels to win by 3 or 4 and I feel so ashamed today for what happened. Sorry about that Longford but go carry on building up the EL coefficient and maybe some day Shels will take Europe serious along with yourselves.


5-1 to a welsh team is the worst result I have ever seen on the back of two against Vaduz where you are meant to show it was just a blip and you are really a good side.!! Crazy ...

As for the kicking you when you are down rubbish. Im not kicking anyone but Alan Matthews and his team. Go replace the idiot before he does it again. Or else if you want to finish 5th and maybe win a cup every year then hold onto him.

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Originally Posted by Cop on

And who exactly is funding OUR club ?? Richard Branson ?? OUR supporters fund OUR club.

You SHOULD have lost 5-0 to us.

So what you want us to do now ?? **** off to the nether regions of the Leinster Senior League ?? For us all to be exiled to Van Diemens Land on a raft ?? So that we can leave the trophies to 'cup specialists' such as yourselves :rolleyes:

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Just stop digging (posting) will you?
Longford are an embrassment full stop