Haven’t seen an official figure for Pats Sligo but it was comfortably around the 4,000 mark
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Haven’t seen an official figure for Pats Sligo but it was comfortably around the 4,000 mark
They announced 3235 for the Derry Shams game during commentary on RTE.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Fair play. That's quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Galway's pre-post Caulfield era will continue for some time yet if they keep gettings wins in places like Turners X.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
It could be a post Galway era quick enough as its wins v the Waterfords that's likely to be more important than in Turners Cross. Top slot or bust for Caulfield as the play-offs have already been bottled by him with a vastly better resourced club and then there is the Premier League team to beat and any of the favourites to be in that position look equipped to cope based on some quality shown in this 1st round already.
Isn't the Brandywell capacity 3,300 ? So essentially a sell-out ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CorribsideSteve
To paraphrase Jaws - 'We're gonna need bigger stadia' around the LOI
The game was sold out but there has been bigger attendances at the Brandywell before.
I believe the council are conducting a risk assessment on using the side of the MF stand for small number of standing tickets. Whilst people do congregate there at the minute it can’t officially be included in capacity or obviously by extension ticket sales.
I believe there was close to 4,000 for the league cup final against Dundalk 3(?) seasons ago now so there is scope for a little bit more.
However with Sligo tomorrow night now sold put as well it does highlight the disgrace that is the lack of progress on phase two of the development as capacity is approximately half what it should be.
Would completely the Mark Farren Stamd really make Brandywell over a 6,500 capacity ? That would be immense.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
You'll like get sold out signs for the rest of the season, especially if you're selling out on Mondays. 3200 capacity is nowhere near enough for a well supported club like Derry challenging at the top and in Europe.
Would renting or buying temporary seating be an option? Would definitely at the very least pay for itself, if allowed.
That must be a first division record?! Phenomenal support.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
A quick google of the phase two funding announcement from a few years ago probably needed to confirm this but I think it would capacity at about that ayeQuote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
unreal crowd down in cork friday would go far as to say it looked like even more than was reported, not seen that amount of people in tc since start of 2018. If we had 2.5-3k a week for the season id be delighted . cant help but feel a late equaliser would have helped keep on to a few of the new people who came through the gates friday, but it wasnt to be.
Derry City might have topped it back when they first joined?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buller
Easily. They were getting 10-12,000 at games. Some of their away games back then would probably have topped that Cork figure even.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
When the £36m Sub-Regional Stadium funding was announced just over a decade ago, the talk was that Glentoran and DCFC would each get £10m from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
That's still the story for Glentoran, which was/is to have an 8k capacity stadium capable of staging European games to UEFA Category 3:
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/...aited-21407121
And I'm pretty sure they had something very similar in mind for The RMcB Brandywell.
In the meantime, I think recent improvements were at least partly-funded by Derry & Strabane Council, possibly in anticipation of getting it back when the Sub-Regional funding finally came through?
Of course, I could be imagining that, except for this from this morning, curiously enough:
"This week, the Derry City and Strabane District Council unanimously passed a motion calling on the Department for Communities to open the Sub-Regional Stadia Programme for Soccer Fund before the end of the current Assembly mandate."
https://www.derrydaily.net/2022/02/2...op-brandywell/
Meanwhile, it is entirely coincidental that when this funding was originally announced, the First Minister was Peter Robinson, MLA for East Belfast, and the Deputy First Minister was Martin McGuinness, MLA for Foyle.
I don't think that's correct EG. From memory, the figure for Derry was only about £3m? What would they do with £10m - build another Brandywell right beside the current one ? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
No, it was to be £10m - I mean, can you imagine the uproar if "themmuns in East Belfast" got £10m and "ussuns in Derry" only got £3m? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
And this extract from a BBC report in 2015 stated the following:
"Combined funding from Derry city council and Stormont government departments means that around £10m will be spent on the overall project, although that is not quite finalised."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...-west-30876684
I don't know how much of that sum was due from the Council - and it is their responsibility as stadium owners, after all - but I'm quite sure the thick end was/is due from Stormont.
As it happens, I suspect the recent upgrades at the RMcB Brandywell came from the Council tranche, meaning that the remainder from Stormont could be used to increase capacity significantly (up to 8k?).
I remember going to a FD league game in Oriel Park in Nov 1986 when Monaghan asked to move their 'home' Derry game, there was def more than 5k at that one alone. I also recall their home crowds in FD being up to 12k.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
The work that's already been done to Brandywell was £7m. Out of a £10m TOTAL cost, that therefore leaves them looking for £3m from Stormont, as stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Work on £7m Brandywell redevelopment to be completed before end of the year - The Irish News
Can you imagine the uproar from Irish League clubs if the majority of their stadium money went to the Glens and 'a club that don't even play in NI' ? :D
Also - where are you going to add 5,000 seats onto the Brandywell? Never mind with only £3m to do it.
Then that's the remaining £3m, then. (And I still think that the Council's £7m was predicated on their getting at least some of it back when the full allocation for DCFC came through from Stormont, though I accept I could be wrong about that).Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
You misunderstand the "rationale" behind this funding. When the £140m(?) Maze project fell through, Stormont redirected funds to the three bodies for "Regional" Stadia - Windsor, Ravenhill and Casement.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
This £36m we're talking about is the second phase of funding for "sub-Regional" stadia, that is, stadia further down at the next level. Meaning the bulk of the money was/is to go to mid-sized stadia in Belfast and Derry., capable of accommodating eg European club games, cup finals etc. As such, the Oval is the only one in Belfast with room to redevelop to that sort of size - I'd have imagined the Brandywell also, though I'm open to correction on that one.
And the other IL clubs had nothing to do with the decision - Stormont's money, Stormont's allocation. At which point I assure you, Messrs. Robinson and McGuinness will, shall we say, have taken a very keen interest! ;)
Can't comment on that specifically, but the stadium "footprint" is very big, no? Besides, to take it eg to 8k, it would be nearer 4k, also not all the extra capacity may be seating - part standing could also help, whilst being cheaper to build.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
If you think public funding anywhere works on the basis of one body spending money and then expecting it to be paid back by a higher authority in the future without any formal agreement to do so, then you clearly don't understand how public finances work. And I'd also like to borrow some money from you too on that basis :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Serious question here - have you ever set foot in the Brandywell ? Because from the sounds of the above you don't seem to know the stadium at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Recap of the weekends attendances then. Anyone able to fill in the gaps?
Cork v Galway - 4,984
Derry v Shamrock Rovers - 3,325
Waterford v Bray - 2,372
Drogheda v Shels - 1,463
Pats v Sligo - 4,000 est
UCD v Harps - 750 est
No figures from:
Bohs v Dundalk
Cobh v Wexford
That is an unfair and unnecessary retort - Ealing Green is entirely right in what is said - there is ample room in the Brandywell for it and a small amount of terracing could help boost capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
698 in Cobh - league twitter accountQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Wow. All before my time. I stand corrected and astounded!Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
I haven't seen the Pats figure (4k) confirmed anywhere, but on looking at photos, 3 main parts of the ground looked very well populated, looked a very decent crowd.
Surprised Bohs didn't give figure, mind you Dundalk didn't either v Derry, it really can't be that hard to provide, esp with so many ST sales by most clubs, all you need to do it count away then those who paid in on the day / other tickets.
Dundalk, Pats, UCD, Athlone and Bray are all off the Christmas card list, as I've had to go with estimates from each of their first home games.
It should be a requirement of league membership that clubs have to issues attendance figures for every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Firstly - EalingGreen has form on this. Like when he recently lectured everyone on here repeatedly about non-league football in Ireland in the context of the proposed new LOI 3rd tier. Which he clearly didn't have a clue about it, and just sloped away form the conversation when repeatedly challenged by a number o fpeople.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Secondly - He asserts that Brandywell's stadium footprint is "very big". It isn't. He also said the Brandywell could easily have its capacity increased to 8,000. That isn't true either. There is the proposed extension of the Mark Farren Stand, which is well known and therefore priced into these discussions already. That would add something like 2,000 max ? Then there is the area behind one goal where a small amount of additional terracing could be created (although there might be an issue with a retaining wall there). The end behnd the other goal can't be used to increase capacity as it is used for people to access the stadium, and it also has the greyhound track cutting into it (look at an aerial picture of the Branywell and you'll see what I mean).
So where are thousands more people going to be accommodated at the Brandywell beyond the Mark Farren Stand ?
I remember being completely overawed by the Derry support as a kid back then and even the following few seasons where Dundalk fans were massively outnumbered at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buller
Er, Stormont will disburse this funding to the relevant stadium owners. And who owns the Brandywell? That would be Derry & Strabane Council!Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Which is why the local SDLP Councillors are demanding the money be paid out now (don't mean to get political, but SF councillors can't say anything, since it is their Minister who is in charge of Sports funding)
Not since it was all rebuilt, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
But looking at the plan, the Farran Stand could be extended the full length of the pitch, while there should still be space for a small stand behind one of the goals, no?
Which might not take it up to 8k (quoted as the ballpark figure for The Oval) but would make a substantial increase to The Brandywell (double it?)
https://www.derrydaily.net/wp-conten...8678507864.jpg
EDIT: Just seen your post #146 and I would count DCWA's observations above yours (see eg #140).
Meh. People just won't believe them anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Drogs vs UCD free entry (online tickets) this weekend.
They do have to send a figure onto the FAI for every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
All of which is a side step from the point I challenged you on. Which was your claim that the Derry council spent money on Brandywell in the expectation that Stormont would pay some of that back to them form this £36m stadia fund. Which is just made up nonesense (presumably to dig yourself out of the whole of saying that Brandywell was looking for £10m out of the fund) Hence why you've deflected onto something unconnected in your respnose here after I challenged you on that claim. Please stop making stuff up.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
In fairness, it shows :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
All of which I addressed above. Maybe 2,000 form the Mark Farren Stand, and at best 100-200 behind one goal (?) ? Which would make the stadium something like 5,500 absolute max. So where are you getting 8,000 from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Apologies if I'm being robust in my challenge on this, but after your performance on the Third Tier thread I'm growing weary of someone from outside our league barging in to lecture us on stuff they clearly don't understand, and in some cases are even patently making up.
There is no question but that DCFC qualifies for a share of the £36m allocated for Stormont's Sub-Regional Stadium funding - everyone accepts that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
At the time it was first announced, it was widely believed that Glens and DCFC would each get c.£10m (Robinson's and McGuinness' work, basically).
This would fit in with the rationale of having another couple of decent-sized, UEFA-standard stadia for important games at the next level down from senior internationals. Building in Belfast and Derry also satisfied both communities, as well as widening the geographical spread.
While DCFC's share will have been due to be paid to the stadium owners, in this case the Council. Which in turn means the Council felt able to advance a significant sum (£7m?) to circumvent the delay from Stormont fannying about, while now awaiting the balance (£3m?).
You seem determined to contradict everything I've written on this topic, so if anything I've written above is incorrect, then I'd be interested in hearing how so from you*.
As for the details (capacity, exact sums etc), I freely acknowledge that I don't know these; then again, neither do you.
Nonetheless the general principle of what I've posted remains: a very significant sum from Stormont was allocated to redevelop the Brandywell, with this to be used by the stadium owners (Council), to provide a major increase to the capacity and facilities in the ground.
* - I'd appreciate if you kept to the subject of DCFC/Brandywell, rather than launching ad hominem attacks on other matters, in a transparent attempt to deflect from the fact that you have got this wrong.
The match was sold out, as I'd tonight's. The capacity of the Brandywell is approximately 3,700, so not sure how they arrived at that figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Are media, hospitality and the like included in the figures? Or is it counted on actual tickets sold?
Mind you, it is always convenient for the club to claim the lower attendance.
Why do you think that?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Well no actually, The money is for stadiums and not for clubs. It would therefore be the Brandywell and Derry council that qualifies, not Derry City. It's not just a pedantic point, it's an important distinction.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Widely believed by who ? You're the only person who's ever claimed Brandywell was supposed to get £10m from this Stormont fund. I challenge you to provide any creddible sources which state that. It has always been just £3m for the Brandywell from this sum.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
This is just made up though. The Couciil in Derry didn't advance money re the work at Brandywell. It was always going to pay 70% of the total £10m cost with the other £3m coming from this Stormont fund. And no-one knew at that time that there would be the ongoing delays that Stormont have done on this ever since. I'm sorry, but you're just desperately trying to make it look like what you've been saying on this issue is right when it patently isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I'm determined to contradict you on the things you write which are incorrect, And i've repeatedly pointed out in what way they're incorrect, and provided evidence re the £7m council funding. You've provided no evidence to back up your various claims re Stormont Sub-regional fund agreement to pay £10m for the Brandywell, the council expecting that fund to repay it etc). And some of it is patently just wrong. Yet you continue to double-down on it all - just like you did in the Third Tier discussion when you were pulled up there for saying stuff that was just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I think it's fair to say from everything we've both written that I at least have a clearer and better grasp of this issue than yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
If you don't like being pulled up for barging into debates with patently false claims that you then argue to the death to try to defend in a Trumpian manner, then don't act that way :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Oh FFS. Now you're just gaslighting :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
They pay VAT on gates in the north.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99