Funny how the anti-vaxxers are either making points that have nothing to do with the thread, or providing no backup whatsoever for their points while ignoring the evidence others are giving.
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todays figures 67% of people in hospital are unvacinated while the same bunch of gob****es represent only 8% of the population.
Even csad might have a problem dismissing those facts.
Although i know anecdote trumps facts with the lower IQ merchants
Which, again, has nothing to do with the point being debated.
While sbgawa's post is exactly on the money.
You still haven't said why that's relevant to the overall societal discussion though.
Football team meeting for five days and functional society having to pay for hospital treatments are two different things, wouldn't you agree?
Once again, your argument makes literally no sense.
The FAI are trying to pick a team to win a football match.
We are discussing societal issues such as clogging up hospital beds.
I'm not sure how you can't see the difference between these two really very different things.
It's again really hard to work out what your point is when you just repeat the same inane irrelevancy over and over again.
The Government has made its point clear - it strongly recommends vaccination and is doing everything it can to facilitate it. The discussion at the start of this thread - which you seem resolutely intent on ignoring - was on to what extent the Government can force vaccination on people, and it was broadly agreed that while it can't tie people down and administer vaccines, it can and should discriminate against non-vaccinated people.
But Robinson lives in England and is first and foremost English (let's be honest here), so there is a limited amount the Government can really do about him.
Once again - because I don't want you to think you can get away from the core point by waffling about irrelevant stuff - nothing you've said challenges the ignorance of Robinson's actions, nor the validity of people's complaints about his behaviour.
You may recall games were played behind closed doors for quite a while of course.
In any event, the Government doesn't need to micromanage the FAI because UEFA and FIFA set the rules. You'll know plenty of those rules because we've fallen victim of too many of them. Aaron Connolly (I think) being ruled out of a game because he sat two inches too close to a confirmed case being the obvious one.
So you're wrong, seanfhear. In everything you've said
FIFA's rules were based on the fact that there was a worldwide emergency. Why would the Government get involved when appropriate action had already been taken by the appropriate body?
I wonder is "dumbass" still a suitable word on foot after all these years? Cos it's getting fairly close to having to be trotted out here.
Another post without a point seanfhear.
One of these days you might make a point we can discuss
Stu, the virus can be deadly but so can the vaccine. Some (particularly young people) have gotten miocarditis (pretty sure I spelled that wrong) which is fluid around the heart after getting the shot. Many others have died and the authorities in many countries will not release those figures. If we had full disclosure on all things related to the virus then perhaps people would be more willing to take the shot. In addition there are treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine which have proved really effective (Ivermectin reportedly stopped the virus dead in its tracks in some Indian provinces) in combating the virus. Yet the authorities keep this under wraps. Why? What is their motive?
Ah, the old "the vaccine kills people too" lark.
With no evidence whatsoever of course, and with a completely unsubstantiated suggestion of conspiracy from the authorities.
Give me patience...
Waste of time even trying to discuss this.
You're not trying to discuss it.
If you were trying to discuss it, you would be able to give some sort of evidence to support your view (like Tets and I have done for our views)
But you've got nothing (just like CSAD and seanfhear before you)
Could mark12345 , Seanfear or CSAD just explain why 67% of people in hospital are unvaccinated but only 8% of the population are unvacinated.
No prevarication , no deflection, no anecdotes about vaccine efficacy just explain this simple stat released by the HSE.
Q silence or a new conspiracy theory about the vaccinated are being treated in a secret underground hospital in the Midlands to hide the numbers ...
Almost 50 ICU beds being occupied completely needlessly, taking away resources which could instead be used reducing waiting lists.
Here's the Indian Council of Medical Research saying that the evidence from trials and metastudies for either of the drugs you mentioned is far too weak to use them outside of clinical trials.
https://www.icmr.gov.in/pdf/covid/te...VM_and_HCQ.pdf
But hey, what do they know? They're only the best doctors in India reading extensive medical trial data.
One minute on Google and I found this:
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wel...h-shows-681389Quote:
The Clalit-Beilinson study analyzed medical information from 2.5 million members of the healthcare provider who vaccinated with Pfizer. Some 54 cases of myocarditis were recorded, 76% of which were classified as mild, 22% intermediate. One case presented severe symptoms.
Men were more likely to present the side effect than women (4.12 compared to 0.23 every 100,000 individuals). The group with the highest incidence was young men between 16-29, with 10.69 cases per 100,000 persons.
One serious (I believe non-fatal) case in 2.5 million. Meanwhile COVID has killed 700,000 Americans and probably left 5-10 million with long-term health problems. If the United States had the same death rate as Canada (and our response wasn't perfect), then 400000-500000 Americans would still be alive. At this point, the actions of those who have opposed and defied lockdowns, masking and vaccines can be accurately described as Collective Mass Murder
Totally agree
That's not how it works here. Read this post before you post in CA again. Next time you make a claim, back it up with evidence or don't post it.
Actually, sorry if slightly off topic but I think the government are too soft on this. This ****** of i had covid so I'm not getting a vaccine doesn't wash with me. You can catch it significantly easier if un -vaccinated and ot course pass it on to other people.
If these people treated the Facebook memes they get their info from with even half the level of suspicion they treat the world's medical community's advice with we'd be in much better shape.
The kind of people who say "I don't know what I'm putting in my body" while ordering a chicken fillet roll.
I know, right? There was a protest at a shopping centre here in Toronto, where there was a vaccination clinic - the guy leading it looked like his body was 10% steroids and 10% cocaine and there was a woman behind him who looked like she was 10% botulism
https://i2.wp.com/media.globalnews.c...y=70&strip=all
It a good point about the cocaine,
the coke arrives in Ireland up a mules ass and that's straight up their noses.. no problemos !