Yeah, he already came out of retirement to take the Norwegian job - unlikely to be interested in going again at 73.
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Yeah, he already came out of retirement to take the Norwegian job - unlikely to be interested in going again at 73.
An awful lot of names being bandied about. So what is the goal of a new manager if and when he comes? Get us more organized and stop the slide of defeats/draws? But will he be able to qualify Ireland for the next Euros? Is that an unachievable goal with the current squad? As soon as the window of qualification closes he will be the next managerial casualty. And then the clamour will be for us to play more constructive football (a la what SK is doing now). Vicious circle.
I'd settle for a manager who can keep us from finishing bottom of the group. I don't think people realize the long term implications in terms of seeding when discussing the disaster that is our current managerial situation.
I think qualification for EURO 2024 is what we want.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
For the team and the country to play football on the ground, we need to start from the ground up and that might take more time then we have
in relation to long term planning we need a fully professional league with proper stadia, pros on a minimum of 90k a year and with proper post career opportunities and education n place .
Euro 2024 qualification can't be a realistic target. I think we need to get that out of the way early doors tbh.
of course it is. being one of the 24 out of 55 teams is a realistic target.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
i thinks its fair to expect a decent number of our current crop of younger players to become something.
no way it can be accepted to write off the next euros
I really dont agree. Its 2 automatic places with a NL play off possibility as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You have seen the current group table for WC qualifying, yep?
You can say we should be ahead of Luxembourg - but we're not - but we're miles behind Serbia and Portugal. Also, we're currently ranked 31 in Europe.
Of course we should be trying to qualify and we should be trying to win all our games, but I wouldn't be coming out and saying qualification is what we want in a new manager.
I would. I think you are being too kind to Kenny. A new manager could easily have us in the mix. He hasnt done a good job. One of the lads was saying that under Kenny our competitive top scorer is shane Duffy. So for all the horse **** about pretending we can be xavi and pirlo. at the end of the day it was shane duffy our centre half that has possibly kept him in a job with set piece goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Of course it can't. It seems like some are buying into the Kenny bullsh1t. Results don't matter, it's about building for the future. That's complete nonsense. He's already failed to qualify for the euros, had a dreadful Nations league and has us bottom and out of World Cup qualification. All this with little to no encouraging signs on the pitch. No matter who we appoint as the next manager, they can't possibly do worse than Kenny has done.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
We are still in League B so we will probably get into the playoffs anyway for 2024. Nobody from League A or B was left out last time. I think with that in mind I think its an ideal time to give a manager a good amount of time.
I don't think we've bottomed out under Kenny yet. John83 did a stat yesterday which showed our Elo rating under Kenny was 1483 - that would have us 41st in Europe. So saying that we're ranked 31st now is like looking at a Premier League team in, say, 12th but on a run of eight defeats in a row and freefall towards relegation - you're hoping the a manager can get them back up to 12th. That's the way I view things at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
As you know, football is a funny old game. First game in the euro 24 qualifiers goes our way and boom the country gets behind BigSams army!@!
There’s definitely blood in the water with all the posts on here.
Qualifying format isn't confirmed yet, but 10 UEFA qualifying groups, 20 spots based on your group finish. That leaves 3 spots to be contested - so something different has to happen compared to 2020 qualifying. I guess that UEFA could be guaranteed that all NL A teams will qualify automatically, which would mean you would only have to provide 3 spots for leagues B, C & D. You could allow for only 9 runner's up qualifying automatically and hope that one of the big boys doesn't have a calamity (Uefa thinking not mine).Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Then you would have playoffs as per last time between each NL group winner (or next best ranked).
Bosnia, Finland, Ireland, Armenia. That's a potential NL group for us. Could we top it? Yes, in some fantasy land world where players have developed further, and or a new manager is in place with a different tactical plan, yes. So a play off is absolutely possible. As per the calendar, play-off games would likely one off affairs.
There was a a report leaked last year, it was a survey about wages in EFL clubs around England.
I think the average salary for managers in the championship was £878,000 a year, League 1 was £182,000 a year, and League 2 was £80,000.
Surely there's a manager in League 1 with, firstly, a good few years in the English system where they are able to hold their own, and secondly, a decent track record of bringing young players through and turning them into decent players. Obviously it won't be an amazing managerial record, but a decent record.
That would be a clear improvement over Kenny in my opinion, and doesn't have to break the bank at all.
Here's the list of managers in the EPL and EFL. By default it's ordered by length of time at their current club, but if you click on 'Division' it'll reorder starting with EPL. You can scroll down to the list of League 1 managers (still ordered by length of time at the club).
EDIT: forgot link! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eague_managers
Paul Cook is one name I'd be happy enough with from that list. Not doing too well with Ipswich right now, but has been around a while, has League 2 (twice) and League 1 titles under his belt, has something of an Irish connection and an understanding of the the domestic scene.
Any sligo rovers fans here, re the rumour that he left loads of bar and restaurant tabs unpaid after he left? It could be nonsense but have heard it more than onceQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I’d actually stick with Kenny for a bit yet, but if he does go I’d like to see Eddie Howe in the conversation.
I'm guessing you meant to include this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eague_managersQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
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Originally Posted by Kingdom
Yes, I see that there are 16 teams in leagues A, B and C now - so 32 teams in leagues A & B. I'd imagine they will keep 1 playoff solely to League C teams - therefore there will be say 20 main path qualifiers which in theory will all come from the 32 teams in leagues A & B so that would leave 11 teams (excl Germany) looking for 8 playoff spots for 2 places. So not as a sure thing as I had thought but still - a very high % chance we would be involved.
Neil Lennon is not a good manager. He also seems to have his own personal demons that effect his management. He absolutely destroyed Celtic last season. I think he needs a year or two out of the spotlight to work through his personal demons before he takes another job, if anyone would offer him one after last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
eh..
why aren't we considering non-traditional managers
Lee Carsley
Steven Reid
Damien Duff
or JoSh
or Richard Dunne - lure him back from Monte Carlo..
No idea why we feel we need to go for one of the merry go round managers who are "names"...
I'm all for giving Kenny time. there are already big wins in terms of new players and I'm not sure what a new manager will do differently that will really add value. the snag is of course our coefficient is getting hammered..I personally can live with that.
if he has to go, I'd offer the job to Carsley and if declines (reasonable, England U21 is a big job), interview any of Duff, Reid etc who want the job and pick the best one. affordable and more emotional ties to the team.
Lennon - too much baggage
Van Gaal - can't see it (was mentioned 20 years ago)
Roy - not the right man for this group I fear
Robbie - would feel like a "Hoddle" appointment - loves the game, maybe struggle to translate that into a plan
Duff has baggage I think and seems to have a pretty thin skin. Never seems to stay in a job for very long. Still not sure why he quit the Kenny set up but it didn't look good.
That is a fair point. I just did a few searches looking for something indicating why he dropped out - nothing out there. I don't in any way feel inclined to disagree about the thin skinned comment - there's no evidence to suggest it's not a valid theory. I still think offering Carsley the job should be done if it hasn't been already. If we think like Rugby for a moment it's a good career move for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I'd forgotten Hughton - Chris would be an interesting choice in my book too.
Allardyce would have me seriously reconsidering buying my season ticket.
The last couple of weeks has seen the Kenny Out campaign go from "he only has pub league management experience" as the main stick to beat him with to "we should appoint people with no management experience". Bizarre. Its "frying pan to the fire" stuff lads.
In one of the more insane posts, there was a call for any manager from League One in England to be appointed because the non-existent manager would just automatically be better than Kenny. He just would. Paul Cook's name was subsequently put forward as the candidate of choice. Sorry, what?!
Sam Allardyce also being put forward as the saviour of Irish football by some.
Through the looking glass...
by the same token, the pro SK camp are now saying he should stay on indefinitely no matter what the results are as there are no viable alternatives...Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Indefinitely? Don't think so. I haven't seen any/much of that at all. To the end of this campaign, sure. Results (rate of wins) then the only consideration as to whether he should take the reigns for the next campaign.
Even then, the candidate list is not inspiring. At all. And the task is no less formidable.
Im with you on Paul cooke no thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
but can I just ask a direct question, would you object to either chis hughton or Chis wilder? and if so why?
( obviously only of kenny is sacked )
I should have said 'elements within the pro SK camp'. There have been a few that have said they'd like him to stay on for the euro campaign which implies a contract extension. I certainly wouldn't advocate getting rid of him until his contract is up unless there's a very compelling reason to i.e. a manager we want becomes available and is keen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I think there needs to be a marked improvement in results (not just the subjective 'performance' element) before considering renewing his contract.
I think Chris Wilder would be an interesting candidate, and one who is available. While i wont say his stock is on the wane, his last season was truly awful. His managerial record isn't really full of inspirational achievements though, SUFC promotion notwithstanding. That said, I would be open to him being considered for the role when Kenny is sacked. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
I am not as enamoured with Hughton to be honest. While he has a good record and is a flexible coach (practical, not married to a particular formation etc), I feel he might be past his best before date. I dont see him taking Forest anywhere and think that might be his last high profile gig. He is also not available and doesn't seem too interested (or maybe the timing simply has never aligned). Can we afford him? In the event Kenny was to go and he was available, he'd be another name i'd be fine with to be considered.
To be honest, i personally think he deserves to stay on for the Euros given the hand he has been dealt in his first year in the job. It feels like the decent thing to do for a decent guy (especially during a period where i think we all accepted we would be transitioning and that it would be a tough slog of a transition). But i am also not married to that preference. I think performances have improved under SK with a brand new squad as compared to his predecessors; but it is also about results and it is time he needs to show that he can get this team to win, in addition to playing a nice brand of football. At the very least the games we should be expected to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by zero
As i said above, results from here on in is now the only benchmark that matters as it pertains to an extension. For his own sake, if nothing else.
There's a nations league campaign before the euro qualifiers but it seems unlikely he'll get a short term extension to see that out. My concern is that would be another disaster and then we're stuck with no easy way out. Other than the Portugal game I don't agree that performances have improved but as mentioned that is subjective. I know stats can be bandied about but while we had chances in the Azeri game (for example) they were half chances and I reject the idea that we 'deserved to win'. If anything we were lucky to draw based on my interpretation of each teams performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Ideally (in my opinion) he'd get a results linked extension i.e. if results don't improve then he's out the door without a payout.
Just out of curiosity, what would be the results that would see you “happy” to keep him on beyond this campaign?
There are 12 points to play for. I would say 6 realistically but am close to saying 7. I don't think that is unreasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Very reasonable. I’d like to see 8 or 9. But 6 is a bare minimum (Lux/Azer).
I think the main stick to beat Kenny with is the embarrassing performances and atrocious results he's overseen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Mick McCarthy's last game in charge saw us batter European championship semi finalists Denmark. Very unlucky just to draw it. That's where Kenny took over so using that benchmark, Kenny has taken us far backwards and with mostly the same squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
The FAI has almost no money, so it would have to be somebody who really wants to manage Ireland just for honour of doing it and not for the pay day.
So, fortunately, I don't think we need to worry about Sam Allardyce wanting the job.
So we are looking at Irish ex-internationals who already have plenty of money in the bank, or a similar person as SK whose financial needs aren't huge.
Somewhere out there is probably the next Arsene Who? happy with 100k a year.
Van Gaal then, any particular reason you cant see it? I can think of one obvious one i have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamo kerry