shels or linfield

Couldn't shout for Linfield. Couldn't shout for Shels. How about an option don't care as long as the before and afters doesn't end up in mayhem.
A 7.30pm KO is just pure crazy. Imagine if it was a City v Linfield final!

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Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

The concern over Shels money and what they'll do with it misses one point. Is there a rule in the Setanta Cup that the prize money can't be used by IL teams to buy top class eL players?

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I don't know for sure, but I doubt there is Exile, to be honest.

Would be difficult to enforce anyways. "Oh - that's not the Setanta money - we spent that on new toilets. This is a different chunk of cash - honest !". :)

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Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

Yep, typical Cork - it all comes down to money..

Now, I wonder what is wrong with this league? :rolleyes:

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And what else does it come down to?
Where would your club be now, if someone hadn't put money in?
Do Limereick play in some fantastical league, where everybody and every club play for the honour of it all and the Corinthian spirit?
When you figure out how the rest of us can continue to play week in, week out and challenge for honours without money, let us know, ok?

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Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

Yep, typical Cork - it all comes down to money..

Now, I wonder what is wrong with this league? :rolleyes:

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It doesn't all come down to money, it comes down to me wanting my club to win things. Shels are our main competitors for silverware and more money for them makes it harder for us to win things. It's glaringly obvious really!

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Originally Posted by pete

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Once Northern teams are involved in debate, politics are inextricably linked, as with most aspect of life here. Sad but fact.

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Originally Posted by crc

Bullsh*t. This is a ridiculous cave-man like pre-conceived notion that is based on hyperbole rather than fact. Nobody is arguing that Linfield don't attract a small hard-line following, but it really is a minority - NOT a majority.

What about all the Cork fans at the City-Ports game on Monday who shouted "Huns" the whole way through the match, or shouted "west-Brit" at Arkins? Or the Rovers fans who jeered Lee Feeney during their first game against Bohs? Or the fans at Republic of Ireland games who did the same to Rangers players?

Any Linfield fan I have ever met hasn't hated me because I'm Irish, simply because they are Irish too. I'm not denying their identity - they are also British and proud of it - but they are normally at pains to point out that Linfield is the most succeful club ever in Ireland!

And the half-wits who base their hostility to Linfield in the Setanta final because the prize money will go to the GB, or 'English' economy need their unreconstructed 'chuckie' views challenged. It doesn't make sense in a sporting (let alone political) sense. Linfield are a club with the same challenges as Shels, Bohs, Derry, Cork - they are not Liverpool, Man Utd, Celtic or Rangers! And its not the same as supporting a European team over an eL one, because the success of the Setanta Cup will be beneficial for all local football fans, north and south.

So who will I be supporting - I go for chips

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Eh, you mustn't have read my most recent post. The majority of Linfield fans are anti-irish imo, same goes for Rangers fans. They cheer on the opposition when we (Ireland) are playing. Therefore, that is good enough for me to cheer on the opposition no matter who they are playing.

Perfectly good thread ruined by Cork/Shels bulls*it and sectarian rhetoric :mad: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Eh, you mustn't have read my most recent post. The majority of Linfield fans are anti-irish imo, same goes for Rangers fans. They cheer on the opposition when we (Ireland) are playing. Therefore, that is good enough for me to cheer on the opposition no matter who they are playing.

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What you mean like the majority of Irish people cheer on whoever England are playing? Does this mean Irish people are "anti-english" or does it just mean it's part of the rivalry that exists?

The majority of the world cheer on whoever England are playing :D

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Originally Posted by steveyg2004

The Garda will be prepared and everyone in Ireland knows about Linfield FC and their heritage, security will be tight at this game - I would be very surprised if there was any trouble on Saturday.

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i dont care about the result. Rovers arent in it sp it doeesnt matter to me. though if i had to choose,i would choose to not see shels receive a cheque for E150,000 , regardless of their opposition,be it cork or linfield

i doubt therel be trouble on saturday,but if there is i doubt the gards will manage to stop it given theri poor record in "policing" Rovers and bohez

Or the Rovers fans who jeered Lee Feeney during their first game against Bohs?

wtf is that. no Hoops jeered lee feeny. thats a completely stupid idiotic comment

theres probably no team in the setanta cup that I WANTED to win the damn thing this year but who do i think will win it? has to be a northern team. Setanta has shown up the EL as a bit backward hasnt it???? we're meant to be the full time league but they look better than us with willing part timers

fair play to the prods, they play a good game a ball!

I dont think we played that well against Longford but we did in our games against the Glens. Fitness has to be a huge factor on Saturday night and with that in mind i'm not overly confident.

Only two words needed to be added to this thread:

"C'mon Linfield"!!!!!!

Bohs Till I Die!

P.S. Ollie and his little dwarf Fenlon will never get my support after their behaviour in Dalymount on their last visit.As for Jason Byrne's slut well the less said the better I dont want to get barred!

The Irony being we Love Fenlon here, Legend.

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Originally Posted by gspain

I first saw Limerick play in Sligo in 1975 and have been many times since. I've the utmost respect for the club and supproters. Would you then accept that Sligo Rovers FC reflects the bunch of teemagers in the Shed back in the late 80's that greeted Limerick's arrival onto the pitch with "Stab City W&*K W%^K" and some obscene gestures."

No I thought not. Nor are Sligo a Fianna Fail club because Ray McSharry used to go to games.

Linfield are not a sectarian anti Irish club because 50 of their fans sing sectarian songs. Linfield are a football club - They have as many political views as Sligo Rovers. Linfield Football Club this year wore black armbands and flew their flag at half mast as a mark of respect after the death of Pope John Paul II. They allowed a West Belfast GAA team to use their facilities.

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Allright i will repeat this again for you gspain. The fans make a club and so what if we jeered your team and im sure yev done the same and some alot worse. The fact is that the club is represented by the fans who support it whether the board or other fans like it.

That has got to be one of the most stupid arguments i have ever heard. What the **** does Ray Mc Sharry got ta do with Rovers. So what he goes to the games, ive said this before that on the whole, irish clubs dont have any real political allegiance because on the whole irish fans dont give a **** about politics, but on the continent its different.

You dont honestly believe that its just 50 fans that have given Linfield one of the most notorious names in Irish football, its just ridiculous thinking its only 50. As i said before Linfield have made an effort to eradicate its bigoted element and so have some of the fans. just like Lazio they have gone to pains to remove the hardcore right wing element in its club, but everyone still sees the Swatstikas and hears the hissing noise of the fans. Now im sure the majority of Lazio fans are not Fascist but that does not mean we expect Jews to go to the games and treat it like any regular club. Im not being a bigot by having a bias against Linfield and if you think i am then i guess your calling Jews being bigots against Lazio and blacks being bigots agains Real Madrid.

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Originally Posted by wws

theres probably no team in the setanta cup that I WANTED to win the damn thing this year but who do i think will win it? has to be a northern team. Setanta has shown up the EL as a bit backward hasnt it???? we're meant to be the full time league but they look better than us with willing part timers

fair play to the prods, they play a good game a ball!

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Sorry wws, but you've given me an irresistible excuse for a foray into one of my pet themes and, unfortunately, one that upsets those among us who want to have it both ways (in sport, not religion I mean).
Prods don't play GAA. :eek:
Yes, yes, yes, I know that there are bound to be exceptions, but the old bogball is largely preserve of the pro-Pope lot.
That gives the monarch-lovers something of a headstart at the beautiful game, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Sorry wws, but you've given me an irresistible excuse for a foray into one of my pet themes and, unfortunately, one that upsets those among us who want to have it both ways (in sport, not religion I mean).
Prods don't play GAA. :eek:
Yes, yes, yes, I know that there are bound to be exceptions, but the old bogball is largely preserve of the pro-Pope lot.
That gives the monarch-lovers something of a headstart at the beautiful game, don't you think?

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What has it got do with protestants and catholics??? Surely the southern especially Dublin clubs have a much bigger population to choose from anyway, so that would allow for people choosing to play gaelic.

Despite what Mr Parker has said I applaud the board of Linfield for their absolute condemnation of the minority of neandrothals who spout their rubbish, they have the dunfield project with Dundalk and let that GAA team use Windsor. The modern board seems to have moved away from their clear anti-cathlolic nature of the past. The problem still seems to be the fans and the toleration (check ILF) of songs which will disgust any right thinking person. Like why do Linfield have supporters clubs throughout the 6 counties including places with Irish league teams? It's because they are still seen as a Rangers feeder club and that is sad.

On this occasion and only this occasion I will support the $heliban while being utterly disgusted with myself.

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Originally Posted by Da Real Rover

Allright i will repeat this again for you gspain. The fans make a club and so what if we jeered your team and im sure yev done the same and some alot worse. The fact is that the club is represented by the fans who support it whether the board or other fans like it.

That has got to be one of the most stupid arguments i have ever heard. What the **** does Ray Mc Sharry got ta do with Rovers. So what he goes to the games, ive said this before that on the whole, irish clubs dont have any real political allegiance because on the whole irish fans dont give a **** about politics, but on the continent its different.

You dont honestly believe that its just 50 fans that have given Linfield one of the most notorious names in Irish football, its just ridiculous thinking its only 50. As i said before Linfield have made an effort to eradicate its bigoted element and so have some of the fans. just like Lazio they have gone to pains to remove the hardcore right wing element in its club, but everyone still sees the Swatstikas and hears the hissing noise of the fans. Now im sure the majority of Lazio fans are not Fascist but that does not mean we expect Jews to go to the games and treat it like any regular club. Im not being a bigot by having a bias against Linfield and if you think i am then i guess your calling Jews being bigots against Lazio and blacks being bigots agains Real Madrid.

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The vast majority of Linfield fans are decent football fans as are the vast majority of Sligo Rovers fans.

It was about 50 in Longford singing sectarian songs - maybe there is a hardcore of 200-300 that do this regularly and cause trouble. Shamrock Rovers and Bohs have similiar issues with a minority of their fans.

Linfield FC do not have any sectarian or racist policies (they most likely did have a sectarian policy from 1950-1988 possibly 93). They are now actively involved in community projects such as Dunfield.

After the Longford game they club put a hard hitting editorial in their programme condemning the minority of bigots who sang those songs.

I want Shels toi win on saturday night ebcause they represent our league.

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Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Sorry wws, but you've given me an irresistible excuse for a foray into one of my pet themes and, unfortunately, one that upsets those among us who want to have it both ways (in sport, not religion I mean).
Prods don't play GAA. :eek:
Yes, yes, yes, I know that there are bound to be exceptions, but the old bogball is largely preserve of the pro-Pope lot.
That gives the monarch-lovers something of a headstart at the beautiful game, don't you think?

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Not that it matters but Linfield will probably field 4 or 5 Catholics tomorrow night

There are plenty of other topics on here highligting GAA bigotry rather than drag this one down that rathole.

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Originally Posted by Speranza

Despite what Mr Parker has said I applaud the board of Linfield for their absolute condemnation of the minority of neandrothals who spout their rubbish, they have the dunfield project with Dundalk and let that GAA team use Windsor. The modern board seems to have moved away from their clear anti-cathlolic nature of the past. The problem still seems to be the fans and the toleration (check ILF) of songs which will disgust any right thinking person. Like why do Linfield have supporters clubs throughout the 6 counties including places with Irish league teams? It's because they are still seen as a Rangers feeder club and that is sad.

On this occasion and only this occasion I will support the $heliban while being utterly disgusted with myself.

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While I agree with most of what you are saying your statement on Supporters Clubs beggars belief.

Linfield have Supporters clubs all over NI because they are the big team - the glamour team and they are successful. Mamchester United have SCs all over Kewnt, Milton Keynes etc. Juventus have fans all over Italy, Real Madrid all over Spain.......

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Originally Posted by gspain

Not that it matters but Linfield will probably field 4 or 5 Catholics tomorrow night

There are plenty of other topics on here highligting GAA bigotry rather than drag this one down that rathole.

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Sorry. You're quite right. I was just indulging my pet rant. Got pulled out of position a bit, so to speak!

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Originally Posted by gspain

maybe there is a hardcore of 200-300 that do this regularly and cause trouble. Shamrock Rovers and Bohs have similiar issues with a minority of their fans

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I agree with the general thrust of what you're saying. But I don't think this is a fair comparison. We certainly do not have a 'hard core' of 200-300 hooligans. Maybe 20 dimwit tops, who appear to be mostly famous for being rather fleet of foot and who are regarded as a joke at best by others Bohs fans.
I can't speak for the shams, but the only time we see dogs, horses and riot gear is when we play them.

I don't really know much about Shels, but from what people are saying they are pretty well off, and Linfield aren't short of a pound or two (i.e 15% of revenue from every NI international at Windsor). So would it be true to say that the two clubs in Ireland who LEAST need the money are in the final?? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Speranza

Despite what Mr Parker has said

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Like to explain what you are refering to?

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Originally Posted by Andyh

I don't really know much about Shels, but from what people are saying they are pretty well off, and Linfield aren't short of a pound or two (i.e 15% of revenue from every NI international at Windsor). So would it be true to say that the two clubs in Ireland who LEAST need the money are in the final?? :confused:

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I don't think there's a team in this Island that doesn't need the money to be fair.

Mr Parker, I was refering to your comment on the Linfield board stating their pride in their unionist past. I know you don't like Derry but we're not all out to get you :)

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Originally Posted by Speranza

Mr Parker, I was refering to your comment on the Linfield board stating their pride in their unionist past. I know you don't like Derry but we're not all out to get you :)

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My post was not so much a comment but a statement of fact.

As for Derry, after Cliftonville finally received their long overdue payment from DC I might start to like you "wans" just a little ;)