Well yeah but I was just responding to the idea that it might be some new approach for us to try!
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Well yeah but I was just responding to the idea that it might be some new approach for us to try!
Strong performance. Glad that Big Sam also seems to be an O’Shea fan. Working with a manager like that will make Dara more solid for us.
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=25334.0;all
He's being lauded in this forum. Someone makes an interesting point on his pace. I don't think he lacks pace but he definitely seems to have this excellent ability to anticipate the opposition's forwards' movements that reduce the need for pace.
I loved him tonight. He didn't even get a chance to do one of the things I think he does best i.e. distribute from the back.
Huge future here, guys. Huge future.
RE: his pace, the fact he was playing as a fullback shows he can run a bit. I wouldn’t suggest he’s a speedster but he is more mobile than the average CB.
Badly exposed today, it showed what I said, a wonderkid, yeah...but not ready for the sweeper role some brains are saying. Can be a fullback back up left or right? Yeah, but he isnt a specialist there like Stevens, Cunningham, coleman, doherty......where to play this kid? as an enforcer in midfield next to James, his best assets are composed on the ball, tidy passer and good anticipation. Center of the pitch..Mr Kenny....i know the football as such that I can recognize a holding mid a mile away
I think that is very harsh. Leeds are toying with West Brom. West Brom played two flat lines against Liverpool and Leeds are consistently dragging the two lines back and forth and finding space between and across the lines. It is very difficult for O'Shea tonight and he should have done better for his own goal but he's not being exposed any more than any other player in that back four.
They were making fun of him on tv about it, kid not ready for sweeper spot there, we ve got Egan, Long and Lehihan if he gets a deserved transfer to the premier league.
This kid will learn but today he was exposed by a tiki-taka high pressure team,
Who was making fun of him and on what television channel?
They aired a 20 minute segment dedicated purely to making fun of Dara O'Shea's defensive capability on Argentinian national TV. How did you miss it?
Yeah the broadcasters, espn argentina broadcast every "el loco" Marcelo match live, it happened when they were in the B division for two years. Great ratings, his madness is a high rating case. It happened when was at bilbao and olympique, and his Lille madness situation, when he realesed all the senior players and kept the youth plus a few purchasesQuote:
Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut
ESPN has followed his whole european managing carrer so far
football journal Diario Olé
https://www.ole.com.ar/futbol-intern...9EtbPrL-8.html
I agree that Dara O'Shea is not ready for the sweeper role that he's never played in and nobody has ever called for him to play in.
For what it's worth, I don't think he should play in goal either and I think the calls for him to captain the Irish lacrosse team are premature.
Touchée!! I meant center back, he cant lead the line, he is learning his trade, I think holding midfield could be a good for him, I actually would play doherty and egan as centerbacks with coleman and stevens on the sides, if we play a back 4Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Why are you posting this link?Quote:
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Obviously O'Shea got some sort of random mention from ESPN Argentina commentators, combined with some random nickname and references to Frank Stapleton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
Not proposing Dara to Liverpool or anything like that but when you see how Nat Phillips struggled for Liverpool last night and his difficulty in acclimatizing to the Premier League, it demonstrates how well O'Shea has done to look so assured even against Liverpool and Chelsea this season. There are other examples around the league but playing there, at that age, in this league under two different managers and not appearing fazed augurs very well.
Not saying it has been flawless but I think he has looked every inch a good young Premier League centre half and those are few and far between.
As well as his positioning and anticipation, I have liked his comfort on the ball. We saw that for Ireland too.
I'd agree with that. O'Shea has really impressed me, getting to grips with the step up to the PL far sooner than I thought possible.
Given Sheffield United's and Stevens' troubles this season I'd have him down as a prime candidate to start at left-back if we had a match in the near future.
We shouldn't be holding promising lads like this back.
He was left back last night in a West Brom side that got a whipping off Arsenal. I think he was the best of the back four. Big Sam's decision to put Ivanovic in centre half really back-fired and he was utterly tormented by Lacazette.
On O'Shea's side, he was the best of the back four I feel. He didn't make any mistakes though he was the victim of a couple of overloads when Arsenal attacked. Smith-Rowe was allowed to drift in by Sawyers and Gallagher into a pocket of space between O'Shea and the centre backs to assist Saka for his goal, for example. On the other hand, Ivanovic, Ajayi and Furlong were all directly exposed in one on one situations and fluffed clearances whereas Dara was not.
I watched a good bit (but not all) of the game last night. From what I saw O'Shea looked the best of the West Brom defenders - although that wasn't saying much as the other three were awful.
Furlong on the right looked like one of the worst premier division full backs I have ever seen, Ajayi ( who is normally good) had a poor night and almost scored an own goal that wouldn't look out of place on the Vanarama league highlights show.
Ivanovic is just a long way past it and needs to be taken out of his misery.
It's to his credit that O'Shea is playing alongside that lot and still managing to come out with his reputation intact. That said I don't think he's a left back either and part of West Brom's problems last night was not starting him in the middle of the back four instead of Ivanovic. Possibly their other left back options are the reason for this though.
If I was Big Sam I'd stick with O'Shea and Ajeyi at centre back and use any funds available to bring in two full backs in January. His hands will be tied by their league position though as anyone signing will know that realistically they will be playing in the Championship next season.
I'd love for O'Shea to do enough to get a move to a better team in the summer - he does already look to be a good player at this level and young centre backs of his standard are not easy to come by (although we seem to have two coming through at once with him and Collins). Sometimes I feel in this situation that if he was English or Welsh he'd be getting a lot more positive PR in the UK that might lead to a move in the summer. But because he has been going about his business quietly he doesn't have much of a profile which might count against him in the transfer market. Every time he is named on a team sheet I see comments on twitter expressing amazement that John O'Shea is still playing at that level which gives an idea of how low his profile is outside of Ireland.
Gary Been on Off the Ball yesterday referring to the benefit working with Allardyce will have for O'Shea. Breen referred specifically to his comfort on the ball and his ability to play a "crisp pass" that can "break the lines."
Shane Keegan chimed in to agree with Breen and said he reckons O'Shea should start in March and could stay centre half for us for a long time.
I think in March it's two from Egan, O'Shea and Clark for the centre back spots. Would be a huge risk for Kenny to play Duffy in his current form. Would like O'Shea to start personally but to be fair Clark has been playing well and I don't think Sheffield United's issues this season have had too much to do with Egan.
Duffy is having a nightmare at the moment so unless he has a return to form then Kenny has a decision to make.Quote:
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This is where Kenny has to make a big decision and drop Duffy if his form remains.
These are the decisions that test a manager's resolve.
Duffy is a vocal leader on the pitch so that would probably be lost if he was dropped.
O'Neill rang the changes against Italy in Euro 2016 and it made all the difference.
Takes confidence for a manager to make a bold decision.
O'Neill also made big changes against Denmark at home that ended disastrously. But he had the balls to do it.
Be bold Kenny!
Duffy has been poor and Egan has been shocking too. If we're going off form then it's Clark and O'Shea.
It'd be massively ballsy to change both your centre backs going straight into a qualifier, but they're likely our best two at the moment.
In fairness, there's a lot of club football to be played before March.
If we were picking a backline for a game this week, you'd be looking at Coleman, Clark, Egan, O'Shea, potentially.
But there's another 7 or 8 games to be played before march qualifiers. Duffy could find form, any of those in form could get injured or just suffer a collapse in form.
I love this guy, he has a bit of Javier Masche on him. Big player to get the best as a holding midfielder
They are like twins that got mixed up at the hospital ! Arnold Schwarznegger did a film about that sort of thing !Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
No, but they have the same football mindset, a very smart player this kid isQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
The Danny Di Vito brain !Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
this kid can play in 5 positions, it's like having 5 new guys, versatility
Send in the Clones !Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
I think I might be starting to get it after the posts below.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
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Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
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Something about O'Shea's best position. I'm terribly unsure. Perhaps Bielsa can explain further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
And now, to be really clear: Bielsa, could you shut the hell up please? What's that, 8 posts in a handful of pages to tell us you think he should play in midfield. You've made your point. Stop being an arse about it.
what he saidQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
I hadn't signed in here in a few weeks, it's almost impressive that the same comment about O'Shea is still being made
Starts right back away to Wolves.
He whipped a throw in into the box there. It was highlighted by the BT commentators. It's a weapon I hadn't previously spotted by him. It looked effortless.
It seems to be something he is working on. He tried one in one of their recent games, I can't remember which one, and he fired it straight up into the air and it landed in the keepers arms. Clearly an additional part of his game he is trying to improve though.
Well they've just gone and scored a goal from a throw in from Dara. Great throw in, headed on and headed again by Ajayi into the net.
He didn't cover himself in glory for Boly's goal for Wolves in the first half so nice to see that goal come from his throw to level it.
Strange game this one. Robinson just won a penalty for West Brom which was duly converted by Pereira.
Hopefully West Brom can stay up this season because Big Sam seems to have faith in Robinson and O'Shea.
It's going to be a big ask for them to stay up but Robinson is impressing this season despite being in a team that is struggling. Didn't ever really seem to fit the setup at Sheffield United but is now really starting to show why he was so highly rated at Preston. No harm either if he can win penalties because we don't look like scoring much otherwise.
Good to see the O'Shea throw in come off there as well.