Games 12th -15th April

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Is that an assumption or did you survey all the Bohs fans on your referee conspiracy theory on your way out?

If a defender fouls a player at the penalty box, he always runs the risk of conceding a penalty.

It must be hard to take, particularly when Bohs played so well, but maybe you should have a look at the full back who made the foul rather than the ref who was way closer to it than you

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Defender at fault when a ref makes a bad call ? Must remind you of that as season goes on :rolleyes: I didn't realise the rule had changed to a penalty for a foul near the box, that just at Oriel ?
Anyone who heard the booing of the (so called) officials at FT, and the lino on the main stand side scampering down the tunnel knows what Bohs fans thought of the officials 'display'.
So how many Bohs fans did you speak to and how did you know they were 'magnanimous' ? Probably just happy to get out of the ****hole you call a ground :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by wexfordned

I'm soooooooooooo sorry. I just used one LOI player and an international side as an example. How many examples should I have used?

It's strange how Dundalk fans seem so interested in our team selection and think they know better than Keith Long when it comes to boh's team selection. We have one of the youngest squads in the league who are only part time. With a tough run of fixtures in the next few weeks which makes more sense as a manger: Focus on Dundalk away or UCD at home?

Frankly based on the size of both sides budgets/squads Bohs aren't competing with Dundalk or Rovers over the whole season. If we can maintain our current form and get 3rd place Keith Long should get manager of the year



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Dude.
Change your username.
You can see how this anomaly arose.Wexford ned like lol.

Yer still talking complete sh**e of course.

And don't call me Franky. :D

Only buzzing with you Wex.
Dundalk fans are just interested in the main about KL's team selections v Dundalk.We won't give two friggs later,tomorrow or the next match.

I spoke to a few Bohs fans on the way out of the stand and they were gutted as they did not deserve to lose the game. The general consensus was that Bohs played well and Dundalk were poor.

As for the penalty, there was little talk as to whether it was in the box or not. The only comment made was how foolish it was for the defender to make the tackle. I have watched the footage several times and I cannot tell whether the foul was in the box or not.

Great play by Daniel Kelly though.

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Originally Posted by wexfordned

Ah bless. So the rules have changed from a foul inside the penalty box is a penalty to a foul around the box is a penalty.

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

I didn't realise the rule had changed to a penalty for a foul near the box, that just at Oriel ?

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My hunch is that the referree adjudged the foul to be at the penalty box - what do you boys think?

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Defender at fault when a ref makes a bad call ? Must remind you of that as season goes on

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Defender is responsible for the foul - no foul, no penalty


Like I said before, some people will see this the way they want to see it.

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Originally Posted by wexfordned

Frankly based on the size of both sides budgets/squads Bohs aren't competing with Dundalk or Rovers over the whole season. If we can maintain our current form and get 3rd place Keith Long should get manager of the year

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And, by rights, it would/should be a third in a row for him.

None of us were close enough to categorically say if it was penalty or not. I was on the shed side and had a good view of it and though it was definitely a penalty. No amount of grainy footage or blurry blown up stills of said footage will clear it up.

The one thing I would point towards is the reaction of the Bohs players, if it was a dive or outside the box you would expect some serious protests, however there were none. This to me is the clearest indication that it was a penalty

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Originally Posted by mcgonigle

None of us were close enough to categorically say if it was penalty or not. I was on the shed side and had a good view of it and though it was definitely a penalty. No amount of grainy footage or blurry blown up stills of said footage will clear it up.

The one thing I would point towards is the reaction of the Bohs players, if it was a dive or outside the box you would expect some serious protests, however there were none. This to me is the clearest indication that it was a penalty

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Or the players were jaded after 96 minutes ? and used to home town calls from the clowns 'officiating' the game ? or maybe Bohs players don't whinge at every decision like Dundalk players did last night ?

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Or the players were jaded after 96 minutes ? and used to home town calls from the clowns 'officiating' the game ? or maybe Bohs players don't whinge at every decision like Dundalk players did last night ?

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Too tired or too polite not to protest a 93rd minute penalty decision that cost them the game? Log off will you, you're embarrassing yourself now. Go prep for the cup final

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

My hunch is that the referree adjudged the foul to be at the penalty box - what do you boys think?





Defender is responsible for the foul - no foul, no penalty


Like I said before, some people will see this the way they want to see it.

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and some who didn't even think there was contact (see #92) will try and blame the defender :confused: there is no AT the penalty box, its inside or out and that clown was giving a penalty either way (just as he played over the 4 minutes allotted time) Kelly's roll - has he stopped yet ? just gave him the excuse he was waiting for.


Probably as well, as we would have been there until midnight waiting on Dundalk to get in the box again. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mcgonigle

Too tired or too polite not to protest a 93rd minute penalty decision that cost them the game? Log off will you, you're embarrassing yourself now. Go prep for the cup final

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what is the fixation with shams ? Honestly now, its almost scary :rolleyes:

I'm away from this stupidity.

Delighted we bate yis.

Complainy oyl trout fux

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Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado

I'm away from this stupidity.

Delighted THE REF bate yis.

Complainy oyl trout fux

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Fixed that for you ;)

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Originally Posted by desaintsno.12

Derry were far superior to us before the red card. Another game of us looking awful and another game showing how clueless and inept Kenny is. Would love to see the club sack him ASAP, but can't see it.

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I have to say I was really impressed with Derry last night.

Their passing for the first 30 minutes was some of the best I've ever seen by a LoI team with Bruna, Harkin and Sloggett completely bossing the game.

The funny thing was the sending off actually seemed to help Pat's as they went to 4 at the back and needed the midfielders to drop back. The formation they had was really 5 at the back because Bermingham and Madden are defenders first and foremost, so they carried hardly any threat. Had Pat's got another goal back in the 2nd half it could have been interesting as Derry really lost their momentum when they became more cautious.

Playing like they did in the first 30 minutes I could definitely see them beating the "invincibles" on Friday night.

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Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

I have to say I was really impressed with Derry last night.



Playing like they did in the first 30 minutes I could definitely see them beating the "invincibles" on Friday night.

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We've already been vinced

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

My hunch is that the referree adjudged the foul to be at the penalty box - what do you boys think?





Defender is responsible for the foul - no foul, no penalty


Like I said before, some people will see this the way they want to see it.

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I always thought the ref is responsible for making the decisons on penalties. Make defenders responsible and they'd never give a penalty.

In you twisted logic even though the defender fouled the player outside the box its his fault its a penalty and the ref has no responsibility for getting the decision wrong.

Just to be clear going forward, apart from penalty decisons memtioned previously and the role of the ref and his/her responsibilities is there any other rules that are different in dundalk compared with standard rules everyone else follows that opposition teams should be aware of going forward this season?

Going forward with responsibility.

:D i'll die this fecking day

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Originally Posted by wexfordned

I always thought the ref is responsible for making the decisons on penalties. Make defenders responsible and they'd never give a penalty.

In you twisted logic even though the defender fouled the player outside the box its his fault its a penalty and the ref has no responsibility for getting the decision wrong.

Just to be clear going forward, apart from penalty decisons memtioned previously and the role of the ref and his/her responsibilities is there any other rules that are different in dundalk compared with standard rules everyone else follows that opposition teams should be aware of going forward this season?

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I think the rules around Diesel production are different in Dundalk, maybe the ref was inhaling before he got to the ground.

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Originally Posted by wexfordned

I always thought the ref is responsible for making the decisons on penalties. Make defenders responsible and they'd never give a penalty.

In you twisted logic even though the defender fouled the player outside the box its his fault its a penalty and the ref has no responsibility for getting the decision wrong.

Just to be clear going forward, apart from penalty decisons memtioned previously and the role of the ref and his/her responsibilities is there any other rules that are different in dundalk compared with standard rules everyone else follows that opposition teams should be aware of going forward this season?

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If you are taking the Junior Cert soon, I'd suggest the ordinary level in English comprehension.

For revision, try to figure out the difference between
"Defender is responsible for the foul - no foul, no penalty"
and
"the ref is responsible for making the decisons on penalties"

Good to see Dundalk fans have found a new internet rival now that Cork have faded away

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Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

Good to see Dundalk fans have found a new internet rival now that Cork have faded away

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The Cork lads are probably hurting too much for any internet jousting and most of the Bohs lads are only wounded wanna-be's

I yearn for the day when Sligo Rovers re-emerge.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

If you are taking the Junior Cert soon, I'd suggest the ordinary level in English comprehension.

For revision, try to figure out the difference between
"Defender is responsible for the foul - no foul, no penalty"
and
"the ref is responsible for making the decisons on penalties"

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Ah, now I see. I forgot your original post. If a defender tackles a player near the penalty box its his fault its a penalty. Poor ref cant be expected to get a simple decision right. Do you work for the FAI by any chance?

The sad thing about us being so ****e is that I can't properly enjoy Cork imploding and Dundalk fans already being reduced to arguing with the inhabitants of the aspiring second best pub in Phibsboro/Ireland's premier footballing brand™.

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Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

Good to see Dundalk fans have found a new internet rival now that Cork have faded away

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lol That's the first thing I thought having a look back over the thread! Away for a few days and suddenly its Bohs and Dundalk fans going at it ,plastic pitches, El Paso, dump of a ground, diesel and mugging jibes, all thats missing is mutant and 6 toes :p Suggesting Junior Cert remedial English, players harassing referees, home town refereeing, the whole works lads, fair play!

It was harsh on Bohs, difficult to take (especially for Marino it seems). But the old cliché it happens and over a season will likely balance out. Hopefully against Rovers in the Cup Final next week - I too must now be obsessed with Shamrock Rovers! Nothing at all to do with them having a good gap at the top of the table and needing them to drop points.

It's a slightly worrying run of performances but that 'penalty' and 3 points could well be a key moment in our season even at this early stage. Games in hand aside the gap widening further would really have eroded confidence at Dundalk. This is a bit of a platform to get going again. Now is not the time for Bohs run against Rovers to end. Something will have to give Friday obviously with both Derry and Rover's fine start to the season. I thought Devine's first Derry side played some of the best football from a visiting team to Oriel in a while and he is showing his worth by putting together another good footballing side.

Definitely a difficult time in Turners Cross, hard to know what the best thing to do is there. I think myself it's to keep JC and allow him get back to keeping it tight defensively and build from there but write off the season I suppose.

You can only wonder how Keith Long's Bohs side would be like if the resources were there to go full time. It is probably time to consider it as he has managed to keep his sides competative regardless of the heavy fixture list as semi pro and a young squad, losing players each transfer window too. How much of a gamble is it with the very good chance of European football and the money that goes with - even if thats Shels like thinking circa early noughties. It's not inconcievable that if form doesnt improve at Dundalk and the owners pull the plug on 'the management dream team' that Long would be one of the top targets!!

Bradser just to see Ez's reaction :):)

Your not obsessed Nesta.
I agree that could be a huge result , sometimes winning luckily is better then winning well.
The gap is nothing , could be all but gone in 9 days....on the other hand if it's still 8 to 10 points Friday week I'm calling it......we will finish within 10 points of dundalk.
I'm not sure about cork though

The night of Friday the 26th will tell us an awful lot about how the season will pan out imo. People should get a few quid on things now as odds could all change especially on relegation matters.

Bradzer wont leave the project even for money bags with a couple of strikers ;p

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

lol That's the first thing I thought having a look back over the thread! Away for a few days and suddenly its Bohs and Dundalk fans going at it ,plastic pitches, El Paso, dump of a ground, diesel and mugging jibes, all thats missing is mutant and 6 toes :p Suggesting Junior Cert remedial English, players harassing referees, home town refereeing, the whole works lads, fair play!

It was harsh on Bohs, difficult to take (especially for Marino it seems). But the old cliché it happens and over a season will likely balance out. Hopefully against Rovers in the Cup Final next week - I too must now be obsessed with Shamrock Rovers! Nothing at all to do with them having a good gap at the top of the table and needing them to drop points.

It's a slightly worrying run of performances but that 'penalty' and 3 points could well be a key moment in our season even at this early stage. Games in hand aside the gap widening further would really have eroded confidence at Dundalk. This is a bit of a platform to get going again. Now is not the time for Bohs run against Rovers to end. Something will have to give Friday obviously with both Derry and Rover's fine start to the season. I thought Devine's first Derry side played some of the best football from a visiting team to Oriel in a while and he is showing his worth by putting together another good footballing side.

Definitely a difficult time in Turners Cross, hard to know what the best thing to do is there. I think myself it's to keep JC and allow him get back to keeping it tight defensively and build from there but write off the season I suppose.

You can only wonder how Keith Long's Bohs side would be like if the resources were there to go full time. It is probably time to consider it as he has managed to keep his sides competative regardless of the heavy fixture list as semi pro and a young squad, losing players each transfer window too. How much of a gamble is it with the very good chance of European football and the money that goes with - even if thats Shels like thinking circa early noughties. It's not inconcievable that if form doesnt improve at Dundalk and the owners pull the plug on 'the management dream team' that Long would be one of the top targets!!

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Bohs have a budget based on their income and they stick to it. Its spending money you don't have that got chasing european dreams that got them and other teams into trouble. You obviously haven't been around LOI long enough to remember the horror sories of clubs overspending. Download Waterford's accounts last year for example from the CRO and see the losses they made in just 1 season. Totally reliant on their investor's willingness to keep pumping money into the club.

Keith Long is also part time along with the squad and that's one of the reasons he hasn't taken a full time position elsewhere. Would have to give up job, pension benefits etc.

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Originally Posted by wexfordned

Bournemouth were one of a few clubs who wouldn't let their players play for Scotland on the plastic pitch in Kazakhstan in the last international window and a couple of other refused point blank to play on the pitch. Jason Byrne for example hated playing in Dundalk because his knees would be in bits for a few days afterwards.

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Jason Byrne played with Dundalk under Sean Connor on Astro for his home games all season

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Originally Posted by wexfordned

Bohs have a budget based on their income and they stick to it. Its spending money you don't have that got chasing european dreams that got them and other teams into trouble. You obviously haven't been around LOI long enough to remember the horror sories of clubs overspending. Download Waterford's accounts last year for example from the CRO and see the losses they made in just 1 season. Totally reliant on their investor's willingness to keep pumping money into the club.

Keith Long is also part time along with the squad and that's one of the reasons he hasn't taken a full time position elsewhere. Would have to give up job, pension benefits etc.

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Lol I wish!! I did say consider it, not must do it! There is not a whole lot wrong with directors loans (just ask any Rovers fan) as long as their committment will stick. There is the argument that a semi-pro said is not always that much more expensive as a f/t squad if a club is paying, for example, a players paye as is often a players demand if they have a reasonably well paid day job. I do accept that these days to do things properly full time involves a lot more than training during the day that add to costs like catering/nutrition and the like. I highly doubt that the Bohs board have not looked or consideer the possibility of going f/t and looking for additional external investment on an ongoing basis. Now that it looks that DCC are going to provide a new Dalymount Park for Bohs, that milstone is gone from round the necks and monies that would have needed to be found can be rebudgeted in due course. Crowds are up, league performances and position has isteadily mproved, huge debts are managed. Bohs have lost some good players that would have commanded a proper fee if under a ft contract. It shouldnt be done at any cost but a consideration to kick on? It would be remiss of the club not to have a good look at, especially as a single European qualification these days makes such a difference!

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Originally Posted by dundalkfc10

Jason Byrne played with Dundalk under Sean Connor on Astro for his home games all season

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In fairness Byrne at the time did complain that his recovery after a game in Oriel took longer, I think it was probably a mix of him getting older and having to work harder on a faster surface to get on the end of a ball.

Its a well worn topic but as it was brought up earlier (by ned or marino?) Ive played on the old astro type surfaces, rubbish grass bogs and on the Oriel Park surface and I preferred the Oriel surface in comparison. Its a lazy excuse, there is little evidence that it aggrivates injuries any more than a poor grass pitch, people shouldnt still be rattling on about it imo assuming the pitch in question is maintained. Ideally everyone would have a new White Hart Lane like surface where grass and plastic are interchangable depending on weather and sport. If a game like rugby can be played on artificial surfaces at the highest club levels and with little moaning from players, then the level of impact on soccer players is questionable imo!

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Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

Good to see Dundalk fans have found a new internet rival now that Cork have faded away

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In years gone by, this would be the major story.

https://twitter.com/dunnocks74/statu...36653846503424

It sad really.

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Originally Posted by White Horse

In years gone by, this would be the major story.

https://twitter.com/dunnocks74/statu...36653846503424

It sad really.

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Jaysus, that doesn't look good.
You would have to think he is on the way out in the not too distant future.

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Originally Posted by dundalkfc10

Jason Byrne played with Dundalk under Sean Connor on Astro for his home games all season

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Jason Byrne had a fairly interesting career, but belonging to Sean Connor's 2009 crazies at Dundalk was not part of it. After struggling with injury and form for Bohs in 2010, Ian Foster signed him for the 2011 season. He started well, but his problematic hamstring problems persisted and he missed a lot of games as the season developed. He moved back to Bray for 2012

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Originally Posted by White Horse

In years gone by, this would be the major story.

https://twitter.com/dunnocks74/statu...36653846503424

It sad really.

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That is pressure guys

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

That is pressure guys

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Absolutely disgraceful from a man who is clearly out of control. remember a similar incident in junior football about ten years ago and the manager was sacked from his voluntary job. Absolutely disgraceful, but will the ref report it or will it be down to social media to put the pressure on?

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

If you are taking the Junior Cert soon, I'd suggest the ordinary level in English comprehension.

For revision, try to figure out the difference between
"Defender is responsible for the foul - no foul, no penalty"
and
"the ref is responsible for making the decisons on penalties"

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perhaps your carer will explain there is no such thing as 'at the box' it is either inside or outside the box ;)

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Lol I wish!! I did say consider it, not must do it! There is not a whole lot wrong with directors loans (just ask any Rovers fan) as long as their committment will stick. There is the argument that a semi-pro said is not always that much more expensive as a f/t squad if a club is paying, for example, a players paye as is often a players demand if they have a reasonably well paid day job. I do accept that these days to do things properly full time involves a lot more than training during the day that add to costs like catering/nutrition and the like. I highly doubt that the Bohs board have not looked or consideer the possibility of going f/t and looking for additional external investment on an ongoing basis. Now that it looks that DCC are going to provide a new Dalymount Park for Bohs, that milstone is gone from round the necks and monies that would have needed to be found can be rebudgeted in due course. Crowds are up, league performances and position has isteadily mproved, huge debts are managed. Bohs have lost some good players that would have commanded a proper fee if under a ft contract. It shouldnt be done at any cost but a consideration to kick on? It would be remiss of the club not to have a good look at, especially as a single European qualification these days makes such a difference!

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Wont happen this side of a return to 'New' Dalymount.With a couple of years in the shambolic Tolka to 'look forward' to (club are budgeting for a 30% drop in income) we will not be considering fulltime football. The hope is we can stay in the premier and hopefully then avail of some decent crowds in the new stadium as the impetus to move forward. Until then it is very much a holding pattern.
Unlike some smaller clubs we maintain our membership owned model (all 100% of it ;)) might limit our chance of success but has kept us going since 1890.

What is the capacity in tolka?
Will it really mean a massive drop in attendances its not like its a huge distance between the grounds , might even be closer for some people

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

What is the capacity in tolka?
Will it really mean a massive drop in attendances its not like its a huge distance between the grounds , might even be closer for some people

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Personally I think the estimated drop is over cautious but it covers things like bar, club sales, franchise income etc. doubt there will be a huge drop in crowds (for some of us its handier :D) but better to budget conservatively I suppose.

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Originally Posted by White Horse

In years gone by, this would be the major story.

https://twitter.com/dunnocks74/statu...36653846503424

It sad really.

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Caulfield's ego must still be bruised after landing him on his ass in Waterford, even one of his own players moving in his direction and he is in to shoving mode! Did he think that Buckley threw a foot in to trip, judging by ones own standards if so!

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Originally Posted by Dalymountrower

Absolutely disgraceful from a man who is clearly out of control. remember a similar incident in junior football about ten years ago and the manager was sacked from his voluntary job. Absolutely disgraceful, but will the ref report it or will it be down to social media to put the pressure on?

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I think "absolutely disgraceful" is over the top. I'd be fairly sure this would have gone largely unnoticed in pre-internet days and the world would have gone as normal.

It's just a bit of handbags. Doesn't reflect at all well on Caulfield, but to suggest he should be sacked for it is nonsense.

If I were a Cork fan, I'd be more worried about the complete lack of technical ability shown by the hoof immediately beforehand, even allowing for the state of the pitch