A tall speedy young defender. Thuram was speedy and tall toó. We had José Chamot as well;
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A tall speedy young defender. Thuram was speedy and tall toó. We had José Chamot as well;
Burnley now reportedly willing to offer £12m for Collins. Tarkowski has his admirers elsewhere in the PL, and has only a year left on his contract. (Lancashire Live, 11 June). As I've noted previously, Sean Dyche doesn't think Jimmy Dunne is quite up to PL standard. So there could be some changes in the Clarets' back division for 2021/2.
Burnley is a real graveyard for Irish players despite there being plenty of them there.
Dyche does what he has to do to stay in the EPL every year, route 1 football with little imagination, fair dues I suppose but would prefer if Irish players stayed away from Turf Moor.
Pity some of these lads don't make the move overseas to the likes of the Bundesliga or Serie A.
I'd like to think Collins would be aiming higher, Burnley are a dead end outfit and he'll be conditioned to root it.
Wouldn’t the Bundesliga or Seria A want them first ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongbow10
Deal now done, according to the Burnley Express this a.m. - Collins to Burnley for £12m. I take Strongbow 10's point about the style - or lack of it- of football at Burnley, but perhaps Nathan will actually get more game time there than from the bench at a more fashionable club in the PL.
Very interesting. There are many positives to this move. Burnley have produced some good defenders recently. Dyche is clearly a good manager and capable of getting the best from his players. Another interesting point is the new ownership. Apparently the owners are interested in creating a squad of young and quality players. You'd have to imagine that Collins' family have received plenty information on the plans of the new owners to conclude that this was the best route for him, based on the fact that they identified Stoke as a great starting club for him (8 figure move after just over 4 years- not bad) and their intimate knowledge of the football business (his uncle being a full time agent). Given Collins present position (young centre half with all the attributes, plenty attention and enough of game time), you'd imagine that selling Burnley to the Collins family was a significant undertaking that really had to be planned and executed to perfection to secure the signing.
You've read a lot into someone willing to pay a big transfer fee for someone else.
A footballer is a commodity at the end of the day, bought and sold without much fuss.
Who was the last Irish player to attract an 8 figure transfer fee?
Hendrick?
Matt Doherty's transfer fee wasn't confirmed at the time, but some papers did report it as £15m
Both true. Still, they're thin on the ground, even though the Premiership clubs flash that kind of cash regularly these days.
Did you mean to post this in the Nathan Collins thread btw?
(I was wondering were Rovers offering €10m for Stokes, or were you being smart and counting pennies :) )
Oops. Posts moved.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Great move if he regularly starts next season. If not, he should have stayed at Stoke and have gotten one full season at centre back under his belt (most of his starts have been at right back). Tarkowski (West Ham move fell through) still there so competing with him and Mee.
Tarkowski is entering the final year of his contract and is widely expected to move on, however Burnley are thought to want to sign two centre-backs this summer and are being linked with a move for Nat Phillips too, so gaining a regular starting spot straight away isn't entirely assured for Collins, even given the money reportedly spent on him. Burnley signed Ben Gibson for £15m and he never made the breakthrough.
As well as that, Dyche often likes new signings - particularly defenders - to do their apprenticeship first, learning his methods, before throwing them in.
Hopefully Nathan has been giving some firm assurances on first team football. The other thing that I was thinking about is while Nathan mostly played right back, when he started centre back it was in a back 3 which stoke play. Every time I’ve watched Burnley it’s a flat back 4. Here’s hoping augurs well, but staying at stoke for a full season at centre back would not have done him any harm at all.
If Collins is any use he won't be stuck behind Nat Phillips for long. I don't rate him much.
Burnley will sell Tarkowski unless they're mad - 20m plus for a player who will go for free next year is a no-brainer for a club of their size. I wonder if Burnley might go for Duffy as well.
Unless he signs a new contract of course!
Collins move confirmed anyways, potentially a club record for Burnley if add ons met apparently https://twitter.com/burnleyofficial/...548953604?s=21
The only players who I think have really developed at Burnley over the last few years since they came back up are keepers (Heaton, Pope), centre halves (Keane, Tarkowski) and Dwight McNeil (winger). Guys like Hendrick and Brady regressed under Dyche. Or at least, they became better Burnley players but worse footballers.
With that in mind, a centre half is probably the only Irish player I’d be happy going to burnley. Obviously the track record isn’t perfect either, as people have mentioned with Gibson signing for 15m, then a club record and playing a total of 1 league game across 2 seasons for the club before returning on loan to the championship last season. Plus, both Dunne and Long never really got the opportunities they deserved (due to the quality of Tarkowski, Keane and Mee)
They might sell Tarkowski but you’ve seen with Hendrick and Brady that they don’t seem adverse to letting players walk. Could see Tarkowski replacing White at Brighton or going to West Ham.
I’d be slightly surprised if Liverpool sell Phillips, given Klopp’s comments that all of Van Dijk, Gomez and Matip might not be ready to start the season. He’s basically Liverpool’s 5th centre half and I think it’s certainly likely that they go with 5, given there’s a good chance that at least one has injury issues that linger... Shane Duffy would certainly fit the Nat Phillips mold, wins everything in the air, good tackler, not the most mobile or quick, good defensive instincts. Duffy is a better long range passer, Phillips maybe short range.
Starts at home to Norwich. And I think that represents his first Premiership appearance too.
Yes, it's his EPL debut. Ben Mee out today. Clean sheet in the first half anyway.
Sounds like he had a good game. Albeit the standard likely won't have been any higher than a number of Championship games he has played in before now.
Off today's showing that's where Burnley will be next season, still haven't won a game this season. If you're having trouble sleeping tonight then this game should help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
They always seem to find at least three teams worse than them over the course of the season. I think Norwich and Watford will go straight back down - if they do they'd just need to be ahead of one more team and there are three or four candidates that they can get ahead of.
Is there a list of the 193 players anywhere? The Premier League website lists 180 Irish players but I know some have the wrong nationality listed. Just wondering who the other 13 are. Some that should be Irish but don't seem to be on the EPL website areQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Mike Milligan
Scott Fitzgerald
Liam Daish
Lee Power
Andy Turner
Will Keane
Stephen Baker
Jim Crawford
Danny Boxall
Rob Quinn
That would leave three more that I can't work out?
David McDonald - listed as English. despite being born in Dublin, and having U21 and B caps for Ireland - https://www.premierleague.com/player...onald/overviewQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Matthew Rush - - listed as English, despite having u21 Ireland caps - https://www.premierleague.com/player...Rush/overview#!
Joe Sheerin - actually not sure about this one, he played about a minute of Premier League football, as a sub for Chelsea. He's described as having being "tipped as future Republic of Ireland striker" here: https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/pla...ball-1.1307780
but I don't think he ever played international football, at any level, for anyone. I have no idea how I got his name either
Seems to have impressed the vast majority of fans with his performance. Talk of his assurance, reading of the game and parallels with Michael Keane.
https://www.uptheclarets.com/message...hp?f=2&t=57433
Thanks. Yes McDonald and Rush are legit, both capped for Ireland and nobody else. I'm not sure I would include Sheerin, he never played for us or was called up as far as I know. There are a few more like Darren Sheridan (John's brother), Marc Tierney (his brother Paul player for us) and Richard Stearman who would be in a similar position to Sheerin, certainly eligible and linked to us but never called up or capped, so I think too much of a stretch to classify them as Irish players. I'd say 192 is the best number to use then after Collins' appearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Liam Daish….Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Excellent performance by him tonight against the guile and trickery of Jiminez and Hwang and pace of Traore. Looked so accomplished and constantly leading the line. Absolutely love O’Shea, however this lad defensively looks a cut above. Blessed with all three, however will be interesting to see who of the pair and Omobamidele rise highest.
Burnley fans seem suitably impressed - two games and their only two clean sheets of the season - don’t seem to be missing Tarkowski…
https://www.uptheclarets.com/message...hp?f=2&t=57883
Be great to see both rise to the absolute top level.Quote:
Originally Posted by MancIrishWolf
I think we've been pretty hard on our young striking talent, and there's plenty of time for them to come right, even if we're impatient.
We've smashing goalkeeping talent..
One or maybe two decent creative midfielders.. oh what would we give for them.
I can see Oshea as holding mid. Good feet and accurate passing range composed on.the ball too
Think Collins has the talent to rise to the top level and thought a top club might have come in for him and loaned him out. Once Tarkowski leaves and he goes in at first choice you'll have top clubs eyeing him up in a few seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insidetherock
O'Shea has more experience than Omobamidele and West Brom haven't looked the same in defence since he's missing, but think Omobamidele could go further than him.
Don't think he'll reach top level like Collins, who I think could start for a league winning team if he continues the way he is. But look at Nathan Ake, starting for a team that got relegated and was picked up by City as a squad player.
All three though I feel will be Premier League regulars, and along with Bazunu, Travers, and Kelleher I think we'll be well stocked at GK and CB with top quality players. Dunne just seems to be getting better and better with QPR and McGuinness is learning his trade with Cardiff but should find himself up at the top end of the championship in time.
Just need some FBs to appear from somewhere now but feels like lads coming through are more suited to the WB role or more comfortable given most teams play it. Danny McNamara, Peter Kioso, Ryan Manning, Joel Bagan all playing for teams that use 3 or 5 at the back. Ebosele has played mostly RB or RW, reminds me of Ogbene but better technically and should have a better end product than him. They've already got the same number of league goals in England.
Lee O'Connor is still only 21 and looked great vs Sweden U21s.
Collins is getting great accolades.
Baba Adeeko at Wigan, 18 years old, getting rave reviews for his appearances to date in a defensive midfielder role. A Galway man.
Re the Number of Irish Premier League players discussion…….Brian Carey? (Just read his name in another article….totally forgot about him TBH)