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Credited with an assist tonight in QPR's 2-0 win over Luton: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59257134. Playing regularly in the same league as Dara O'Shea and John Egan in a team that's vying for promotion, has a little bit of Premier League experience - While I don't think there should be wholesale experimentation with personnel in the March friendlies, I definitely think Dunne should be given the opportunity to stake his claim.
I don't see it. He got a chance to stake his claim at Burnley who were happy to let him go to bring in Nathan Collins, O'Shea is in the same division granted but when West Brom were up he played a lot more than Dunne ever did & at a younger age too. Omobamidele looks pure class. Egan proved himself a division up too.
Its great to see him & McGuinness developing and I hope it continues well for them but to say what he's doing definitely warrants an opportunity isn't accurate given the options, if all are available. If they aren't he comes into the conversation alright.
Have to agree with Crafty. It's great to see him progressing but we need to account for options already in place. I think similar points have been made in other threads about William Hondermack (before his recent call up) and Jamie Bowden for the 21s- why aren't these lads called up? Are they not committed? No, the answer is that we just have a lot of good midfielders at that level and we can only pick a certain number of players (Louie Watson and Ryan Johansson weren't in the last one).
There's definitely a queue there and I'm sure if there are a couple of injuries in March that Dunne will be considered and compared with other options and those unavailable accounted for. Plus he is a Dundalk lad so Kenny won't be overlooking him in a rush.
If there's changes in March should be Collins and Omobamidele getting more minutes and O'Shea should be back before then also. I like Dunne, Dyche rates him as someone that can be be a top top championship defender but wasn't gonna get the games needed at Burnley.
CB is a position we don't need to worry about for the next 10+ years with the lads currently in the senior team and the likes of Dunne and McGuinness who should at least make it as top championship defenders. A penny for Conor Masterson's thoughts about the situation.
Any word on how Masterson has been faring? I see he has 13 games and mostly starts with the odd game out here and there. 17 games played in the league so far. That's okay. Not sure how he's been playing.
My sense from forums and Twitter is that he was doing ok, scored a goal in FA cup which always helps. However, the defense got destroyed vs MK Dons with people questioning his strength and physicality (something we know he has to work on). He didn’t play in FA cup, but thankfully he has been restored to the line up today. Hopefully he can get a full season under his belt and keep improving the physical side of his game
Motoring well at QPR (feedback from https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footba...r-home--report)
QPR Star Man – Stefan Johansen 8 Several candidates here, with Jimmy Donne monstrous at the back, Lee Wallace making an enormous difference down the left, and Seny Dieng back in the sort of commanding form that made him a star last season, but Stef was right back to his best and only a great save by Nicholls prevented him crowning that with a goal. As said at the time, much of his perceived struggles earlier in the season were when being asked to write the theme tune and sing the theme tune while massively outnumbered in midfield, so Huddersfield dropping off second half....
Seems to be doing well and getting a good run of games in a team that's in quite good form. Must be getting close to a squad place? 5th in the table, 2 points ahead of 7th, 5 points behind second. I saw him once over Christmas and he looked very comfortable. Thoughts?
He's a centre half, so he has a big queue ahead of him. Someone should be looking at his games all the same.
We are stacked at center back with Egan, big Andy, Collins, Duffy and O’Shea; but Jimmy has been outstanding for qpr this season. If he keeps going then he will be close to a squad place. I’d have him next in line for a call up ahead of Williams, Lenihan etc on the basis of nurturing his potential.
On another note, masterson returns to qpr to join Jimmy. Cambridge did not renew his loan. Masterson started off well but overall a disappointing loan spell. Let’s see where he goes now, hopefully he can secure another league one loan for remainder of the season.
Is he not injured for the rest of the season?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
That was last season with Swindon?! No sign of a long term injury in any of the reports?! Cambridge felt he wasn’t good enough by the looks of it, and are now entering the market for a new defender. Not good for Conor
That's what I was thinking of, thanks.
the more the better and the merrier, call this fellow in and play him alongside lets say Egan, then Duffy and Lenihan as well, as i said before would love to see Dara Oshea in midfield and the guy at Norwich has excelled Ireland as a potential right back,
The guy at Norwich is called Andrew Omobamidele. Doesnt matter if you arent fluent in English, Spanish or Klingon its still the same. Just because it doesnt sound as Irish as Murphy doesnt make it difficult to write his nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
Interestingly, he was ahead of Nat Phillips at Liverpool. Phillips hung around as an u23 till 23 and ended up playing 20+ games last season due to injuries to van Dijk, Gomez and Matip. Now Phillips is being linked to the likes of Burnley, Newcastle and West Ham… meanwhile Masterson is struggling to play at L1…Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
The wrong move at the wrong time really sets a poster back a mile
I'm not sure he was ahead of philipps.. sure he got brought into a squad once or twice but he never played. Philip's is a year older and was sent on loan to Stuttgart in 19/20 the same year conor left. I would say Conor was behind him if anything otherwise he would have been given an extension.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Sad truth is it looks like Conor Masterson is not rated by anyone who spends 3 to 4 months with him so far..
this isnt a hard luck story of wrong move at wrong time. phillips was brought on pre seaon tours in 18+19, Masterson was released in summer of 19. Clearly wasnt ever on first team radar. He'd be better off with a move to Scotland or even LOI at this point to build himself back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
have only ever heard about dunne never seen him play, linehan is flying too by all accounts. pretty decent options in reserve now for a back 3.
In fairness dunne was very shaky in his time at Sunderland after a good spell in Scotland. He never got much of a look in underage and seemed to never vremotely be close to been involved at senior level for man utd . He has done great inspirational. Remember he was courted by or courted maybe the North a few seasons backQuote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Masterson was named on the bench at Liverpool a few times, but never made his debut for the Reds, so was on Klopp's radarQuote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
He was taken on a preseason training in Spain a few years ago as well: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...handa-12622885
Well his last name is not Perez, Garcia, Fernandez or Kelly, Murphy, Brady etc Mon freère.... Omobamidele is hard its is longer, but Bazunu is easier for a latin speaker because its seems greekQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Anyway I want this Andre Omobamidele as a right back an understudy for Coleman/Doherty until Lee O' Connor who in my view is a great player gets the nod.
O'Connor omobamidele Collins scales
Just as well you only have to type it here then and not say itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
This is all from memory, so if a detail is wrong, I apologise:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Masterson was on the bench for the champions league quarter and semi finals in March/April 2018 ahead of Phillips (when benches were smaller for CL - 7 man I think). He got injured before the final and was still injured through pre-season, eventually making a comeback playing 45 mins in an intrasquad game during the international break. The injury recurred and his final season was largely injury plagued (Hoever v Wolves played due to him being injured). He took a long while to get back up to pace to where he was the previous season. i think there was mixed reporting as to whether he was released or whether he chose not to renew his contract, I think klopp mentioned Liverpool were willing and open to extend his contract but he wanted to go and play football. FWIW he was captain of the 18s and 23s as he moved up.
He was rated highly enough by Kenny that he kept Collins and Omobamidele out of the team at u21s. He was also name checked, alongside Dara O’Shea as being the standout u21 players by Mick McCarthy.
Had he stayed at Liverpool and stayed healthy, say extended for 2/3 years, gone on loan in season 1 and remained part of the squad in season 2, he might easily find himself where Phillips did.
Obviously he did well enough in his first season at QPR to earn a 2 year contract extension, but overall since he’s signed in 2.5 years he’s played 20 games for QPR in the first 1.5 years and 26 games at league 2 level in the last year, which isn’t where he’s hope or expect to be…
Expect has got nothing to do with it ~ to paraphrase that Clint Eastwood film ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Collins was born in 2001 and is 20. Omobamidele was born in 2002 and is 19. Masterson was born in 1998 and O'Shea in 1999. Context needed there.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
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Originally Posted by elatedscum
he made the bench 3 times between 2016-2019, thats not great. Philips as I said was taken on pre season training camps , Masterson wasnt, the mid season trip to Marbella when half the team are on international duty isnt exactly a big deal. Hes just not all that great which is fine. Hopefully the lad gets a good move for himself where he can play and build his confidence back up.
I'm sure he'll still make a half-decent living at a lower level, but Masterson always seemed overhyped to me, partly because he came through the Liverpool academy, but perhaps even more because of his (perceived) playing style: he was the 'right' kind of defender - he played the game in the 'right' way.
I seem remember someone on here about a year/18 months ago saying he would soon be displacing Duffy in the national team! Well we seem seem some way away from that now.
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Originally Posted by Trequartista20
That was probably me, I love masterson
My first real look at him was during the Toulon tournament. I was expecting him to stand out given the club he was at and based on various reports. However I was really underwhelmed and thought at the time that Scales (then at UCD) looked the better player. Dunne is showing that QPR offers a pathway if you’re good enough. Maybe Masterson through no fault of his own is just finding his level. Maybe a good club in the LOI would offer a chance to re-boot. Could be a Dan Cleary, or a Connor Clifford.
Always the danger with underage players in fairness. Look at Conor Coventry - people calling for him to be in recent Ireland squads, but then he has his loan terminated early at Peterborough for failing to make an impact.
My impression of Masterson at that tournament was that he had better control of the ball than his central defence partner O'Shea, but O'Shea was the better footballer
dont read too much on that, cap the guy we need someone there , a la Wales, use the national team as a shopping window, same for other fellows
if you play one youngster each time, that wont bring down the team performance, the main problem if you play all of them at once. After wc 1994, Passarella took over, and kept out of the national team all of the best players and more prestigious ones, Canniggia , Redondo and many others, only kept Batistuta, Balbo, Chamot and young Simeone, and he built a team of youngsters that were coming through without any leadership, he was a leader, brought and created Zanetti, Verón, Kily Gonzalez, Ayala was playing at Ferro, and many more
sure but... Collins was captaining Stoke at 17 and was moved from 19s to the 21s to be part of that squad (centre backs were Masterson, O'Shea, Scales and Collins). Meanwhile Masterson's last 21s cap and last game he was eligible for the 21s was within 6 months of Omobamidele's Irish senior debut, so it's not exactly like he went from not being good enough for the 21s to good enough for the senior team in 6 months...Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Didn't Masterson make the pre-season in summer 2017? Wasn't he selected again in 2018 and the injury didn't heal in time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
FWIW he's a cultured composed footballer, comfortable playing under pressure, doesn't get overawed and continues to try do the right thing even when it doesn't workout. he reads the game well, typical intelligent centre-half. he's good in the air and a good tackler. negatives are, he's not the quickest or the quickest on the turn. for a centre half, he's not the strongest or the most physical of presences. he can't be a little tentative at times. he's also got a pretty lousy fitness record. significant injuries in more than half his adult seasons.
With all this proliferant arrival of new young defenders I can see young O`shea as an option for holding mid there
https://i.imgur.com/iQ63FdN.jpegQuote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
Omobamidele was third choice for the U19s behind McGuiness and McEntee so Masterson wasn't keeping him out of the U21s.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Only for injuries at Norwich and Collins being injured himself then Omobamidele would probably still be waiting for his first cap.
From July to November 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Masterson continued with the 21s until the campaign ended in November 2020.
Omobamidele's rise:
May 2019 - with Sobawele at 17s
July 2019 - ahead of Sobawele, moved to 19s squad (as a u17)
November 2019 - with 19s (starts 1/3, McGuinness 2/3, McEntee 3/3)
<both his actual 19s tournaments are cancelled, not selected for 21s squads in september, october, november 2020>
March 2021 - ahead of McEntee at 21s, alongside McGuinness for new campaign
June 2021 - ahead of McGuinness to the senior squad, ahead of Masterson and Dunne to the seniors
September 2021 - makes international debut due to injuries to O'Shea and Collins
October 2021 - selected ahead of Collins for senior competitive game(s)
Jimmy really putting his hand up this season. Qpr 4th in table, and he just scored another goal. They’re 4-0 up on reading. Him and Lenihan seem to be having great season, with Dunne being 3 years younger than Lenihan I would favor him getting game time first in March, but both are very much in the reckoning this year…