What could/should the FAI do for the league?

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Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop

Except for the fact that by using known figures you can get that Rovers aren't losing money so unless the books, that I'd put money on nobody here having seen, show otherwise it isn't a fairly obvious reality"

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You realise that Rovers annual accounts are available to look at each year? They've shown massive losses the past few years.

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

You realise that Rovers annual accounts are available to look at each year? They've shown massive losses the past few years.

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Course he didnt

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Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop

I really love how everyone knows our finances, its really great to have so much of this site in the know when it comes to Rovers finances

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Perhaps they simply look at Companies registration office records ? Or are you suggesting shams submitted false accounts ? in your own time.....;)

Quote Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop View Post
Except for the fact that by using known figures you can get that Rovers aren't losing money so unless the books, that I'd put money on nobody here having seen, show otherwise it isn't a fairly obvious reality".

I really don't want to derail this thread into a typical us v them money ball nonsense thread but I'm staggered at the figures you are quoting RE your kit deals which was the point I made on this thread originally. For what it's worth rathfarnham hoop I accept the reasons why that idea is a non runner.
However I cannot believe the figures you are quoting. It seems you think you can throw 200k in from pepper into your budget to go towards your yearly turnover.
How many years was that deal signed for 3,4,5 as its hard to believe pepper money give 200k PA to SRFC.
Likewise with new balance . I'm sure it's top end ,money wise for LOI standards and that's brilliant but if you think it's 200k per year to sell Max 2/3 thousand jersies and they hand it over every year we'll someone at your club is smoking something.
Great deals don't get me wrong but you can really only break it down as per the yearly value.
That's the business of football.
Transfer fees rarely get paid in one installment either so it's something to be mindful of when talking up a clubs income.
And back to my point earlier it's clear it would be a non runner as you couldn't expect bigger clubs to forgo the good deals they have negotiated .

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Originally Posted by Longfordian

The FAI have released a statement proposing a €300k hardship fund for league clubs unable to pay their players. Oddly they’re proposing that the PFAI/Siptu put in €150k but the FAI have only “contacted” them and they haven’t actually agreed to it yet. I’d have thought it might be better to wait until they have agreed to it but maybe it’s a tactic to make the PFAI look bad if they don’t agree.

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I can understand the logic behind the idea but lack of detail makes it impossible to evaluate. is it just carte blanche to clubs to 'over commit' knowing this fund will pick up the slack ? Will it beach UEFA rules (especially for teams in Europe) if wages are subsidized ? Bearing in mind some clubs are 'serial offenders' (bray and limerick currently) will there be a limit to the amount/ number of times a club can avail of this fund ? Will using this fund automatically terminate contracts or can players carry on playing for clubs while wages are paid/part paid by the fund ?
....but most importantly WHERE WILL THE MONEY COME FROM ?

Lots of questions (and that's off the top of my head). I hope somebody has thought this through and its not just 'doing something to be seen doing something'. Immediate reaction of the PFAI to the proposal is not good.

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Originally Posted by Ashbohs

Quote Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop View Post
Except for the fact that by using known figures you can get that Rovers aren't losing money so unless the books, that I'd put money on nobody here having seen, show otherwise it isn't a fairly obvious reality".

I really don't want to derail this thread into a typical us v them money ball nonsense thread but I'm staggered at the figures you are quoting RE your kit deals which was the point I made on this thread originally. For what it's worth rathfarnham hoop I accept the reasons why that idea is a non runner.
However I cannot believe the figures you are quoting. It seems you think you can throw 200k in from pepper into your budget to go towards your yearly turnover.
How many years was that deal signed for 3,4,5 as its hard to believe pepper money give 200k PA to SRFC.
Likewise with new balance . I'm sure it's top end ,money wise for LOI standards and that's brilliant but if you think it's 200k per year to sell Max 2/3 thousand jersies and they hand it over every year we'll someone at your club is smoking something.
Great deals don't get me wrong but you can really only break it down as per the yearly value.
That's the business of football.
Transfer fees rarely get paid in one installment either so it's something to be mindful of when talking up a clubs income.
And back to my point earlier it's clear it would be a non runner as you couldn't expect bigger clubs to forgo the good deals they have negotiated .

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No point in talking figures to the shams as apparently they rather believe their own bull**** than CRO figures that are in the public domain.
Your concept of central contracting does have merit an that are areas where it could be explored - advertising, I.T. (websites etc) possibly things like insurance or even purchases of supplies/stock.It might be of wider use if we were starting from a 'green field site' situation but we are clearly not and clubs would be loathe to give up any 'advantage' they currently enjoy.
Unfortunately it would take the near death of LOI before such radical thinking would be embraced.

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

You realise that Rovers annual accounts are available to look at each year? They've shown massive losses the past few years.

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I do and theyre all behind a pay wall no?

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Originally Posted by Ashbohs

Quote Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop View Post
Except for the fact that by using known figures you can get that Rovers aren't losing money so unless the books, that I'd put money on nobody here having seen, show otherwise it isn't a fairly obvious reality".

I really don't want to derail this thread into a typical us v them money ball nonsense thread but I'm staggered at the figures you are quoting RE your kit deals which was the point I made on this thread originally. For what it's worth rathfarnham hoop I accept the reasons why that idea is a non runner.
However I cannot believe the figures you are quoting. It seems you think you can throw 200k in from pepper into your budget to go towards your yearly turnover.
How many years was that deal signed for 3,4,5 as its hard to believe pepper money give 200k PA to SRFC.
Likewise with new balance . I'm sure it's top end ,money wise for LOI standards and that's brilliant but if you think it's 200k per year to sell Max 2/3 thousand jersies and they hand it over every year we'll someone at your club is smoking something.
Great deals don't get me wrong but you can really only break it down as per the yearly value.
That's the business of football.
Transfer fees rarely get paid in one installment either so it's something to be mindful of when talking up a clubs income.
And back to my point earlier it's clear it would be a non runner as you couldn't expect bigger clubs to forgo the good deals they have negotiated .

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https://shamrockrovers.ie/2017/02/05...et-pagination/

Replied to wrong one

"Up to 400,000" over 2 years. I hope none of that is dependent on actually winning something

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Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop

I do and theyre all behind a pay wall no?

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Credit and debit cards must have reached Rathfarnham by now, no?

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Credit and debit cards must have reached Rathfarnham by now, no?

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I know you're a special case due to your great interest in all things shamrock rovers but I'm not interested enough in other clubs finances to pay to see them and I can't see why anyone would be

Jeez lads would everyone relax it's been well known That the members of the club voted to borrow money from Ray Wilson and run at a loss while investing in the academy. The sale of Gavin bazunu is the first kid from the academy (assuming it happens) will be the first benefit financially from the academy investment but there will be more to come as well as many for our first team. The losses as FACT but they were planned and there is a big difference between that and the likes of bray / limerick or others.

They've been showing huge losses in their accounts since well before the roadstone academy facilities were opened.

I don't choose to pay for these accounts, but there's plenty of journalists who did and covered it well enough this past few years.

Roadstone was a continuation of what had started elsewhere already but that tends to be forgotten. In the overall scheme of things plan is fine. We aren't in the dundalk scale of riches not even cork probably but there is great potential in the groundwork that has been done. Little point in discussing here though

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Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop

I know you're a special case due to your great interest in all things shamrock rovers but I'm not interested enough in other clubs finances to pay to see them and I can't see why anyone would be

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So is your wager offer still valid?

Maybe I could bet you the modest CRO website costs?

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Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop

that I'd put money on nobody here having seen, show otherwise it isn't a fairly obvious reality"

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Jeez lads would everyone relax it's been well known That the members of the club voted to borrow money from Ray Wilson and run at a loss while investing in the academy. .

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Little point in discussing here though

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Translation - please don't start that embarrassing discussion about Rovers finances again.

Fair enough!

Lol you've arrived in time to prove my point. :)
Start the music and the bear dances. The members are happy if you aren't that just makes it better :)

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Jeez lads would everyone relax it's been well known That the members of the club voted to borrow money from Ray Wilson and run at a loss while investing in the academy. The sale of Gavin bazunu is the first kid from the academy (assuming it happens) will be the first benefit financially from the academy investment but there will be more to come as well as many for our first team. The losses as FACT but they were planned and there is a big difference between that and the likes of bray / limerick or others.

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the boy is a human being and not a commodity.

Bray & Limerick have cashflow issues. The money coming in is not matching what is going out. and without a sugar daddy it is very difficult to stop the cycle
Rovers have a sugar daddy who is plugging their hole. But a day may soon come where he says enough is enough

Seems like the FAI didn't bother consulting the PFAI about their proposal either.
What a shower they are

https://www.balls.ie/football/pfai-f...delaney-393605

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Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

the boy is a human being and not a commodity.

Bray & Limerick have cashflow issues. The money coming in is not matching what is going out. and without a sugar daddy it is very difficult to stop the cycle
Rovers have a sugar daddy who is plugging their hole. But a day may soon come where he says enough is enough

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I think the club have made it very clear the boy is not a commodity paying for him to do his leaving in a private college and saying they want him to stay for at least another year.
On the sugar daddy but Ray Wilson and his father before him have been involved in the club for 50 years I don't see that changing anytime soon.

It's one thing to be so up your own a r s e that the Fai think the Pfai should come up with 150k from the players to pay the players. The reality is that this is never going to happen. What is unreal is that they would put it in the media before they even have an answer back. How many people in a room actually made this decision and not 1 of them went, ahm... maybe we should wait until we get an answer. You would hope it was just 1 gob****e but more that likely it was a full board of idiots.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Translation - please don't start that embarrassing discussion about Rovers finances again.

Fair enough!

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...But its OK for shams to comment on Dundalk, Cork or indeed any other clubs finances :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Lol you've arrived in time to prove my point. :)
Start the music and the bear dances. The members are happy if you aren't that just makes it better :)

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are 'the members' still going around giving advice to other clubs on 'members owned clubs' or is it now '50% members owned clubs' ?

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

are 'the members' still going around giving advice to other clubs on 'members owned clubs' or is it now '50% members owned clubs' ?

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Are there not some underage coaches you should be worrying about?

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

...But its OK for shams to comment on Dundalk, Cork or indeed any other clubs finances :rolleyes:

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We dont tend to make a habit of that, at least definitely not to the extent supporters of other clubs. Suppose it come with the territory though so what you gonna do :)

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Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop

We dont tend to make a habit of that, at least definitely not to the extent supporters of other clubs. Suppose it come with the territory though so what you gonna do :)

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Maybe supporters of other clubs just read the papers or even access widely available accounts before posting on here about the subject :cool:.

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Originally Posted by Asterix

Are there not some underage coaches you should be worrying about?

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Hmmm, doubt shams want to get into the 'activities' of coaches :o

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Hmmm, doubt shams want to get into the 'activities' of coaches :o

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Bohs seem to be making a habit of employing people that engage in these sorts of activities.

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Maybe supporters of other clubs just read the papers or even access widely available accounts before posting on here about the subject :cool:.

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If fans of other club want to pay money to look at our books then again comes with the territory, not something rovers fans make a habit of doing though. Far more interesting to look up than down though i suppose.

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Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop

Bohs seem to be making a habit of employing people that engage in these sorts of activities.


If fans of other club want to pay money to look at our books then again comes with the territory, not something rovers fans make a habit of doing though. Far more interesting to look up than down though i suppose.

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How's Eddie ? :rolleyes: shams just like lecturing other clubs on how they should be run but get all snowflake when their own club are discussed.

......still betting nobody saw shams accounts ?

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Lol you've arrived in time to prove my point. :)
Start the music and the bear dances. The members are happy if you aren't that just makes it better :)

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Assuming that your post is directed my direction - let me clarify that I have made not any comments around being unhappy with Rovers finances or the contentment levels of "members",

I have laughed lots though at the delusion, ignorance or denial around the public availability of accounts - it's not exactly the 3rd secret of Fatima that RH seems to think it is

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Assuming that your post is directed my direction - let me clarify that I have made not any comments around being unhappy with Rovers finances or the contentment levels of "members",

I have laughed lots though at the delusion, ignorance or denial around the public availability of accounts - it's not exactly the 3rd secret of Fatima that RH seems to think it is

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Oh I knew full well they're available but they cost to see and since I know Rovers fans really couldn't care enough to pay to see another clubs return I guessed other fans would be the same. Clearly a clubs size has more of an impact on their fans interest in other clubs than I thought though.

How to derail an entire thread. :rolleyes:

Take a bow everyone who's been a side-tracking numpty over the last page or two. And then take your petty spats somewhere else please. Much obliged.

playground stuff lads. Just listened to the interviews with John Delaney and Fran Gavin again on the repeat show on news talk. Delaney basically saying stop asking those questions because Fran will give you all the details and timelines. The Fran comes on and all the details are internal workings of the FAI and not for the public domain, as for the timeline sure "i met StepHEn Mc Guiness a few weeks ago" Fran if you are reading this go and the job that we pay you for through our club membership fee's and attendances at matches and stop acting like someone out of the North Korean politburo.

Whatever the FAI could/should do, i know what they should definitely NOT do, and that's take any advice from Gavin Peers ever!

Just came across this article from last year. He wants:

- a revert to a winter league to somehow "progress football" and make it "a bit like the PL in England".
- clubs for each county, and Dublin split into North Dublin, South Dublin and West Dublin
- a Republic and NI league merger with the top division with 20 teams, yet he gives absolutely no details on how 2 associations would be merged into 1 and what would happen the national teams and european spots
- oh and every team should be full time with 52 week contracts - but no explanation where all the money should come from

But the weirdest bit is yet to come... he mentions a game where "it was daytime and we played Shamrock Rovers. it was dark and there was a proper atmosphere". Figure that one out if you can - daytime and dark at the same time...

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Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover

playground stuff lads. Just listened to the interviews with John Delaney and Fran Gavin again on the repeat show on news talk. Delaney basically saying stop asking those questions because Fran will give you all the details and timelines. The Fran comes on and all the details are internal workings of the FAI and not for the public domain, as for the timeline sure "i met StepHEn Mc Guiness a few weeks ago" Fran if you are reading this go and the job that we pay you for through our club membership fee's and attendances at matches and stop acting like someone out of the North Korean politburo.

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My own favourite 'you couldn't make it up' moment was Gavin blasting the PFAI for media diplomacy (despite refusing to meet them) at the same time the FAI were going on a solo run announcing the new players wages fund. I honestly doubt he even sees the irony :rolleyes:

Not sure where else to discuss this, but FAI have additional details on their "Last Resort" fund: https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018...t-resort-fund/

Long and short of it:

-Financed by the FAI
-6 point deduction/signing ban if you use it
-Money to be paid back at end of season, if unable, relegated.

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

My own favourite 'you couldn't make it up' moment was Gavin blasting the PFAI for media diplomacy (despite refusing to meet them) at the same time the FAI were going on a solo run announcing the new players wages fund. I honestly doubt he even sees the irony :rolleyes:

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Fran Gavin is an absolute clown. Was he chairman of the PFAI at one stage ? I'm pretty sure he was heavily involved. Now he's just another yes man wheeled out to cover for his glorious leader.

One of my favourite LOI moments of the last few years was Brian Kerr tearing him a new one on Soccer Republic a couple of years ago. Mind you, Kerr was probably waiting to get someone from the FAI in his sights.

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Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter

Not sure where else to discuss this, but FAI have additional details on their "Last Resort" fund: https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018...t-resort-fund/

Long and short of it:

-Financed by the FAI
-6 point deduction/signing ban if you use it
-Money to be paid back at end of season, if unable, relegated.

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I can see this being abused by clubs at the bottom of the 1st Div.

If Athlone for example can't pay wages, they can just get money from the fund. If they're already adrift at the bottom of the 1st Division they won't really care if there's another points deduction. And if they don't pay it back there's no loss, because they can't be relegated because there's nowhere lower to go.

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Originally Posted by TonyD

Fran Gavin is an absolute clown. Was he chairman of the PFAI at one stage ? I'm pretty sure he was heavily involved. Now he's just another yes man wheeled out to cover for his glorious leader.

One of my favourite LOI moments of the last few years was Brian Kerr tearing him a new one on Soccer Republic a couple of years ago. Mind you, Kerr was probably waiting to get someone from the FAI in his sights.

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yeah gavin was involved as PFAI Chairman. I cant remember how long hes gone but the time I went to the fans forum in Abbottstown in 08 and 09 he was with the FAI as he was there that day so he must be gone well over a decade. unbeliveably he played in the league of ireland in the 80s as i came across an old programme of our match v St Pats Ath in 86 Fai cup and he was still playing. you would think he would understand things from the players side a bit more!

He was loved by all when he was playing as well......