Only if the owners get their way and get to build on the Carlisle. Wait and see what "solutions" are put forward to save the club during the week.
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Only if the owners get their way and get to build on the Carlisle. Wait and see what "solutions" are put forward to save the club during the week.
Not a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
According to reports, Denis O’Connor informed the PFAI yesterday that the club was merely open to offers for all squad members. Players are not free to join other clubs without a fee.
Gonna be just fantastic for players and their families now when their contracts are breached after the transfer window closes. Just let them go somewhere with whatever passes for stability in the league ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
If their contracts are breached outside of the transfer window do they become free agents and still able to transfer ?
No. Once the window is closed they can't sign for other clubs. At least not in Ireland.
Full meeting this evening apparently(board/management/players) oh to be a fly on the wall at that one.
good read this -
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/socc...kenny-10734714
Denis O'Connor on East Coast FM this morning- keeps saying he'd happily walk away as he doesn't need the hassle (but funny enough he's still here). Says he'll have news on new investment in the next 24 hours. Says the players weren't released. He sounds very reasonable if you hadn't seen how he's behaved since arriving at the club, Jack O'Neill brought him in seemingly but he didn't seem sure about who elected him chairman. Mulvey closed the chequebook but he says this was flagged back in April so why wasn't something done then? https://soundcloud.com/ecfmmorningshow/denis-oconnor
Can imagine there will be a lot of disgruntled players if Bray pay the wages until the window closes and then pull the plug.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Another interview on East Coast FM - https://twitter.com/eastcoastfm/stat...386913792?s=09
That appears to be the same interview that Segull already linked to. Is there another interview?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Yeah, missed that; sorry.
Really? Seems pointless then to rule them free agents after so many weeks wages are not payed. There sould be allowances made for players that are left in limbo like that to have the right to seek and sign for a club outside the transfer window considering the extenuating circumstances. Yes they could sign for an IL team I suppose but clubs would know they were pretty desperate and offer them buttons. Would have hard to be hard swallow considering the top contracts they were given by Bray to drop back to PT wages that are more like expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
The PFAI should develop an emergency fund that players in this situation can apply to for help too and not have to rely totally on dole. There is the angle that players should consider that if something is too good to be true then it probably is - 2 year 52 week contracts that are highly paid at a club that doesnt have good support etc should be handled with care. I know any club can get in to difficulty but if the Champions (after European group stage football) and the Champions Elect (with average gates of 4000+) are not dishing out 52 week contracts to everyone alarm bells should have gone off when signing for Bray.
Then you have the characters involved in running Bray withe their history and the coveting the Carlilse Ground to build on and everyone in LoI questioning when this is all going to implode - well id be inclined to opt for a 500 a week contract from a Cork City than 1500 a week at Bray suspecting that things will go bad before seasons out. Players on the level of McCabe, as dislikable as he is, must really feel duped as he is bound to have had options after leaving Rovers.
There's other ways league of Ireland players have traditionally made money if not being paid properly by their club.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
From what i'm hearing Mulvey has stopped backing the club because of O'Connor - there relationship broke down a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull
And that if someone else was in charge Mulvey would happily come back on board.
But as i said, that's just what i am hearing.
What as groundsmen, barmen, clubroom cleaners, double contracts et al.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
You'd be very silly from a monetary point of view: a €500x40 week contract is €20,000; if someone at Bray was on €1,500 a week, and wages stop next week, they'd still have been paid €37,500 (25 weeks) and still have the opportunity to find another club and so earn more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Do they pay tax up there? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
Professional gamblers...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
more like professional conmen OConnor and his cronies..why did he not stick to his hurling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
What's keeping O'Connor in Bray now? Why hasn't he walked away? As far as I can see he's invested nothing in the club, it's all other people's money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
You get what I am saying! If Shels offered 1500 a week and Shamrock Rovers offered 500 you have a good idea that things werent going to end well at Shels eh currently, and it would be a gamble on how long the contract would be honoured. Figures were exaggerated but the point remains that players should consider the security if there is such a thing rather than be completly blinded by dollar signs. But have €5k a week and work for me and give up your current job - what could possibly go wrong, i shall even do up a contract and you can bust yerself until I run out of cash and I tell you sorry go find a new job, but tell any prospective new employer that they must pay me so that you can go work for them, but i have got 1 weeks wages left!Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
O'Connor was very evasive on East Coast FM when asked how be became Chairman, and who voted him in. He avoided the question many times, and seemed to imply it just happened. He could not remember. As he rightly said it is the board who voted him, so could he not say it was Cox, Kelly and J O'Neill. What is he hiding.
He did not mention the McGettigan investment, and the falling out. So he fell out with McGettigan, and now Mulvey, who is the next brave punter he has lined up.
What needs to happen, very quickly is for the FAI to step in, and offer some protection in a holding capacity. Removed the O'Conner brothers, FORTHWITH, and seek a Supporters Co-Operative, and get some model on very successful German supporters owned trusts.
All the shareholders need to turn their shares into this Supporters Co-Op-Trust (call it what you like)
There can be NO going back.
I am 100% convinced that if BW was 100% owned by supporters and people of the community, then it would be a different matter.
O'Conner brothers have been divisive and let Denis have his wish.....'To walk away'
The town of Bray can recover, but only once O'Connor brothers are gone.
The Vision of the Future plan, announced last year air brushed Pat Devlin out completely.
That shows the O'Connor boys are totally out of touch.
Is there support for a Bray Supporters Owned Club, Trust, Co-Operative, or has O'Connor guys destroyed that.
As Edmund Burke said.......For evil to prosper, it needs good people to lie down.
Oh how I'd love if the FAI implemented a rule like Germany where clubs must be at least 51% owned by fans...
I just can't see the FAI actively promoting supporter-ownership as a solution in the Bray situation, or any other.
The FAI is an organisation built on patronage, cronyism and unswerving devotion to its glorious leader. Supporter-owned clubs generally don't go in for any of that bullsh!t and aren't afraid to speak their mind on issues, so they would threaten how the FAI and Delaney do their business. Imagine if the majority of the league involved democratically owned and run clubs - there'd be a revolution overnight !
So if the FAI got involved in the Bray ownership question at all they'd be looking for some other 'investors' / mugs to put money in. And then Delaney would have the gratitude of Bray and that person/people to help entrench his position even further. It's the footballing equivalent of Tammany Hall, and it's rotten.
Sure half the First Division teams don't have fans; not sure how that'd work.
Is there anyone in Bray ready to step in though? It's all very well for Dove to talk about a Supporters' Co-op above, is there the appetite for one? (Serious question)
Not only the appetite, these things take time to set up. If nothing is set up yet you would have to imagine they might have to leave the LOI for a season or two and come back in when everything is sorted.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
If Bray folded, and went into hiatus for a couple of years, would the support be there for a return?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Suppose the other thing is that two years ago, wages weren't being paid, the club was on the brink of going under and no trust arose.
Not necessarily a criticism of Bray as such; there's a few small clubs who couldn't muster a trust if it came to it (including UCD obviously)
You could sell your bodhran.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I see its all solved now according to O'Connor . Just fill the ground for Cork Game and all is well again!!!!
That game won't likely go ahead, not unless we concede 3 goals tonight. TNB had the same plan - 5k a game for 5 games and we were grand!Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
I wonder if the FAI are one of the anonymous bodies named in that report as having put money into the club ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull
Anonymous investors, what's the worst that could happen there?Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
did DOC take over when Pat Devlin left at end of 2013 bray fans?
Portuguese coaches?Quote:
Originally Posted by blueblood
This story not quite over yet according to D. McD on Twitter. :eek:
https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/sta...25280406892544Quote:
Statement from Bray players expected this evening - gather they are not all entirely satisfied with guarantees from the club
You mean Bray could slump as low as Rangers?Quote:
Originally Posted by sidewayspasser
That's pretty bad...
What's obviously happened, in my head anyway, is the FAI have dug them out by giving them an advance payment of their UEFA solidarity money. About €20-30k should see them through the next couple of weeks at least along with Connollys transfer money.
Instead of mystery investors, O'Connor has simply bought some more time.