Time for some hankies and a copy of Asian Wives. That or a cold shower. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
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Time for some hankies and a copy of Asian Wives. That or a cold shower. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
What relative paranoia? You remember the sh*t in the John Bigot Column of the Irish Post and what he said of TB. Who the f*ck is he to call anyone 'a second class Irishman'? Anti-foreign sports this and that, then went on a big offensive apologising for hare-coursing and fox-hunting, despite them being two of the more disgusting infusions of British culture into Ireland. The only hint of paranoia round here is D81 banging on about me insulting his hypocritical (well as he said I had, I may as well give him something to complain about) friends. They love soccer but don't want to play it in Gaelic grounds: Well that is what he wrote, FFS :rolleyes: And of course calling him a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
And what use is a poll? Nearly everybody here who goes to Ireland games wants Croke Park opened up. If I was being selfish, and as someone that misses most home games, I'd like Ireland to play at either Vicarage Road or Kenilworth Road. But then the economy - and esteem - of the country is more important not to mention the convenience for most people who attend current home interntionals.
Because as I said, the hypocrisy and double standards of the GAA viz a viz 'soccer' stadiums outside Ireland means that argument is null and void. Anyway, you never been to Ibrox or Old Trafford? Has WCE never been to WHL? If the answer is Yes, then who are both of you to tell people to boycott the grounds belonging to organisations that people hate? Next you'll be telling me not to wear my Celtic top to Ireland games. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
Your response was almost as good as gspain's B I G O T R Y one. Not quite, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
You called them bigots, Lopez, did you not? That equals insulting them as it's not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
And then you said I feign ignorance of GAA spreading the games? That equals accusing me of lying.
They love soccer but don't want to see gaelic games suffer through Croke Park. I don't agree but don't believe they're bigots in their opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Despite some believing that Hurling abroad is just popular with the Irish diaspora the game itself is spreading in the US midwest states without any help from the GAA . Milwalkee
The sooner Hurling splits from the GAA the sooner Liam Griffins vision to spread Hurling around will become reality. As he was quoted as saying it's to good to keep in Ireland only!
Nice to see you took my advice about hankies and Asian Wives. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
I know people who love Black women, Black music, Black anything, but just don't want them in their country because they fear for the identity of Britain/Ireland/take your pick, and not because they don't like Blacks. Didn't I mention that they like their women, music and have a token one they talk to everyone about. Of course they're not racist. :rolleyes:
So I insulted your friends. Well, nice people I'm sure they are, I'm judging them on what you are stating about them. 'They love soccer but don't want to see gaelic games suffer through Croke Park.' Hmmm??? Still hypocrites from where I'm standing. Or bigots if you prefer.
As for your 'feigned ignorance' of the GAA spreading the game being an accusation of lying? More an accusation of ignorance although whatever way you take it is fine by me. You state that having not lived abroad excuses you that the news of attempts of spreading the GAA gospel is naturally beyond you, someone that clearly suggests he has his finger on the pulse of GAA thinking (my mates, my mate's website etc.). Yet all you have to do is see the list of votes for the GAA congress or the lack of international competition to find out Gaelic games are confined to areas of 20C Irish migration. It's pretty obvious to anyone that either the GAA has attempted proselytising and failed miserably or hasn't bothered at all. My example in Birmingham suggests it's the latter. Why? Because a lone individual with minimum help above county level successfully lobbied secular schools to take on the sport in one part of Britain. Point is, if the GAA people are so worried about their games suffering why don't they do what every other sport does and move into new markets?
I totally agree with you there. However you're back to relying on the GAA for the use of grounds unless counties that are heavily into the game split completely (Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, etc). Bit of problem with Cork and Galway though.Quote:
Originally Posted by wexfordclockend
Would hurling become a foreign game then? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
No, but if the game grew to threaten 'Gaelic' football, wouldn't there be the same arguments from our difinitely-not-one-bit-bigoted friends that the game should be banned from their grounds because of the threat it poses? Personally, hurling is up there with Jai Alai/Pelota: A truly great sport that we would all love to play but alas few of us will ever manage. I think that's why the GAA invented 'Gaelic' football as a game that anyone could pick up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Gaelic Football & Rugby are OK I enjoy watching them but in my view are not in the same level of great entertainment as Hurling & Soccer!
Anyway back to the topic in hand! I agree with most of this articleCroker
As for the Hurling split Splintergroup it appears that most of Munster (apart from Kerry) & South Leinster would side with Hurling leaving the Bogballers with Croker & the Hurling side with Thurles for the finals. This has been discussed at greater length than I can manage to post here.
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Originally Posted by lopez
Racism has nothing to do with the examples that I'm talking about, you either know it or are seriously deluded and shame on you for using it. "Still hypocrites...or bigots if you prefer." How the hell is someone a bigot against soccer or against English or whatever it is they're supposed to be biogted against if they follow soccer? You can't accept for one second that someone might be concerned about the effect on GAA if Croker is opened? Why did Limerick GAA support the opening of Croke Park and then change their minds? Momentarily relapsed bigots, is that it?Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
How do you write such tripe? Feign means to pretend or fake, in case you didn't know. I don't know anything of the GAA's attempts or lack thereof in spreading the games, so what? I never said I did. It doesn't have anything in the slightest to do with my argument that not all those opposed to opening Croker are bigoted, not on iota.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
In the same way that you said
and let's not forgetQuote:
Originally Posted by lopez
You're justing making things up. I do not claim to have my finger on the pulse of GAA thinking and I never did so stop putting words in my mouth. What I do claim is that I know plenty of people associated with the GAA who have a genuine fear that the games might suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I don't know why they don't move into new markets. I don't know why they don't attempt to follow Irish dancing and make the game global. I'm not in the GAA and have never considered this before, to be honest. All I know in relation to this argument is that there are decent people out there who are not bigoted and want to see Croke Park stay the way it is, I can personally attest to that. You have examples of GAA bigots, that's cool, I've never doubted they exist. In fact, I'm sure there are loads of them who think I'm a west Brit and nothing more. But to say that the entire 'keep Croker closed' camp is bigoted is just incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Oh dear! :( Time for another browse through Asian wives
Yes they do as both are excused as merely down to fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
Perhaps they had a change of staff on the decision board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
I've been meaning to ask you the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
Feign means that you are faking ignorance of the GAA policy of expansion. For someone that has been banging on about 'genuine fears for the game,' this 'I know nothing about it' policy strikes me as b*llocks. Take it whatever way you like. As for the connection with the debate at hand, it certainly does. You're saying that your friends believe the games are under threat by opening up Croke Park. Surely some compensation for this ridiculous notion could be gained by moving onto 'soccer's' turf abroad. It's been successfull in Birmingham as I'm repeating ad nauseaum. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
And I know some people who have a 'genuine' fear of immigration. Should I defend them? And to me, you do give the impression that you have your finger on the pulse of the GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
So despite all these 'genuine fears' for the survival of the GAA you have never asked why the GAA doesn't spread the game, 'go global' as you say? FFS! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
I will put a poll up on this thread so. Maybe that will end all the squabbling. This thread has become impossible to readQuote:
Originally Posted by davros
[SIZE=5]FYI The poll is public, i.e. people can see who voted what way.[/SIZE]
FFS nothing. I never said I have genuine fears for GAA but that I know that these people aren't opposed out of bigotry, that was my argument. You chose to take my words that way, that's your problem, nothing I've written here presents me as an authority on the GAA as I never pretended to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I'm a soccer fan first and a casual GAA fan second. If the GAA doesn't spread the game, why should I have thought about it before now?
Bring in immigration all you want but this doesn't make these people who you've never spoken to bigots. Why do you think you know what these people are thinking?
Another person I spoke to coaches in underage soccer and underage GAA, I'm not going to call him a bigot, hypocrite or whatever, he does a lot more for promoting soccer than I do and plenty of people on this site, I'm sure. I disagree with their argument, I think the GAA will survive just fine and that, no matter what GAA voters think of the FAI or the IRFU, professionalism vs amateurism etc, they could have some sympathy for soccer supporters when Lansdowne Road closes. This doesn't take away the fact that reasons for opposition other than bigotry exist.
They say they have a genuine fear which can't really be proved or disproved as it's in the future, it doesn't sound ridiculous to me that they would be concerned for competitve reasons about Croke Park opening, I never thought to ask them about spreading the game globally as I didn't suspect them of secretly hiding a bigotry of the garrison games that they secretly detest and that they think they're more Irish than me because of what sports they follow and I don't. I guess I'm just naiive then, thanks for setting me straight.
Soccer is a gentlemans game played by ruffians, rugby is a ruffians game played by gentlemen and Gaelic games is a buffers game played by buffers. That is the popular West of Ireland urban saying.
Anyways, doesn't G.A.A. halls allow indoor soccer to be played on their premises and how many times have we seen community grounds where soccer and G.A.A. is played on the ONE PITCH. This makes a mockery of the stupid Rule 42 that has as much relevance in a modern Irish society as wipers on a motorbike.
How has it been tainted?Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
I'll definitely vote although I can't see too many people on this site saying they want Croker closed.
Ehh, I don't think I've ever heard someone from the West of Ireland use the word 'ruffian' - that's an old England word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderblaster
The Rugbo and football bit of the saying is taken from Oscar Wilde.Quote:
Originally Posted by roboyle
To much useless knowlege for his own good RISSC
Interesting reading on www.anfearrua.ie - main GAA site
http://www.anfearrua.ie/ViewSectionD...asp?docid=1320
http://www.anfearrua.ie/ViewSectionDetail.asp?docid=50
I think it was D81 who recommended the site.
If the main opposition is that football and rugby will benefit to the detriment of the GAA from opening it up. Could somebody articulate the anti argument or provide a decent link to it. Most of it seems to be knocking the pro opening argument. There is also the argument that the "pot of gold" won't be as lucrative as predicted but surely that is up for discussion.
BTW I do accept fully that it is the GAA's stadium and that there can be no CPOs or retrospective pre-conditions put on the public money given to the GAA. It is the GAA and GAA alone who should make the decision. However I also along with the 53% in the Indo poll believe the GAA should never get another cent of public money if they keep it closed and that any organisation that sponsors the GAA in such circumstances will go way down in my estimation and I will actively seek to support competitiors.
I recommended the site because it's the biggest one, I think, it gets about 2000 hits a day or something. I'm not sure how representative it is but it doesn't hurt to lean over the fence. The reason it came up is that its poll kind of defeats the notion that the GAA leadership is against soccer and rugby while 'decent' ordinary GAA folk are all for it. Also, I would reckon that the users are fairly young.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
It would be miserable if we all had to troop across to Cardiff for every home game, not to mention pretty humiliating. Here's hoping they open it.
The West of Ireland translation would be "shoccer ish a gaisurs game played by amadans and rugby ish an amadans game played by gaisurs." Definitely would sound good in an American made Pig in the Parlour movie set in the wild backward surroundings of Connemara. Would sound funny if an American actor can come out with that line in that real boggy, culchie accent.Quote:
Originally Posted by roboyle
No, I'm a bit better at vocabulary than that. Even Connacht has some sophisticated guys but I aint one of them.
This is the province that farmers would sell their tractors to the G.A.A. and soccerheads have to compete with the "mighty" institution of the local G.A.A. club to field teams in local matches. This is where you, allegedly, see the real dirty politics of the G.A.A. It is known that, allegedly, G.A.A. teams when they have finals, ban their players from playing soccer. That is the denial of a child to have the freedom of choice of what to play if these reports are true.
If we made up congress on the rule 42 motion, it is open house to soccer and rugby, going by our fair and democratic opinion poll.
Congrats lads, democracy has spoken in the opinion poll. The liberals won the argument and the diehards needs to listen to the majority.
Who are you referring to? Who are the liberals and who are the diehards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderblaster
The twenty two that bothered to vote which is a flea to an elephant in terms of the number of eligible voters. The vote would obviously carry more weight if it was carried out with 3.5 million people. The liberals are the people that would like to see Croke Park opened up to soccer and rugby and the die hards would wish to retain the status quo on Rule 42. Back to the real world, it looks certain that Rule 42 will be retaine in its current format at Congress as all the Ulster counties will vote no and so will Limerick, which is one of the more tolerant in sporting attitudes. By the ways, soccer was played in Croke Park (Then known as Jones Road Stadium) before the GAA bought it in 1913.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
as i don't know how to post a link i would direct people who want to hear the pro rule 42 side of the argument put very powerfully to go to premierview and read mulcair on the messageboard and his article on the site.it encapsulates nearly all of the reasons why a lot of gaa members want rule 42 to stay.
you can read this article on www.premierview.ie/corabhln's%20column.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by JANESBOROFAN
And Gaelic Football and Hurling was played in Wembley!!! Weren't the English FA great to allow in the foreign sports. (My own father played there as it happens - Gaelic Football)Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderblaster
These "diehards" have to get their head out of the sand.
A few notes....
- The opening of Croke Park to other sports is not a threat to the GAA. The GAA recorded record profits last year for Croke Park.
- The GAA as an organisation will not crumble to its foundations if a Total 90 ball touches its hallowed surface.
- The GAAs "competitors" will have a stadium in a couple of years time. What happens to the GAA then? Does it crumble?
- A sizeable majority of Rugby/Soccer fans are GAA contributors/players!
- A sizeable contingent of both Rugby/Soccer international players have represented their clubs and counties and clubs with equal pride. Kevin Moran, Niall Quinn, Duffer, O Gara and Eric Miller in more recent times. Im sure the list goes on and on.
- While GAA facilities have provided great amenities to communities for over 100 years, these amenities are provided and sustained by the people of the communities.
- You are no less Irish by playing "foreign sports."
- Croke Park LTD or the Central Council does not have a money printing machine. Either directly through development drawes, match gates or indirectly through taxation, the people of Ireland have built Croke Park, Semple Stadium, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Fitzgerald Stadium, The Gaelic Grounds, Nowlan Park, Wexford Park, Walsh Park, Casement Park, Hyde Park. Be under no illusions where the money came from.
- GAA supporters do not cower in bomb shelters during foreign sport spectacles and wait for the evil to pass.(Although some of the past presidents may?!?!)
- God knows, the opening of Croker may make the GAA a few friends.
- Failure to open the gates wont kill soccer/rugby off for good but it will be written in the history books that the GAA turned their own away citizens when the came looking.
- The GAA's bargaining power will not/has not been lessened by any one individual. U2 were on the receiving end of this not so long ago when a third date was cancelled due to the highest price for venue rental on their World Tour at 1,000,000 euros a night.
- Soccer is a partionist sport on this island? Although it is a nice ideology, the GAA is about 80 years and 2 amendments to the constitution too late. Northerm Ireland is a seperate country with its own identity. The only partition on this island in sporting terms is the one created by certain aspects of the GAA.
Fair play to ya Blobbyblob. That's a great post.
It's hard to add to what you've just said apart from my need to comment on the ironies of the GAA's "principles". The man who disgusts me most is Jack Boothman. The former president continues to get involved when other people his age are happy to sit in their slippers by their fireside. It would have served Boothman better if he had rid the organisation of the blatant sectarianism that makes it extremely difficult for people of his own creed to partake in Gaelic games. Rather than reinforcing the ban on Irishmen playing soccer and rugby in Croke Park, it would have suited Boothman better if he had stopped members of his own organisation putting guns on the streets of Belfast. When contacted by the media last year with regard to the possible opening of Croke Park, Boothman was unavailable for comment. He was in the U.S. at the time watching a GAA all-stars match in a baseball ground. Ironic or what. Its the likes of Boothman and Joe McDonagh that make me feel ashamed to be Irish.
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Originally Posted by blobbyblob
The interesting name is Miller who having been a schoolboy at Wesley College and possessing an un-Irish name - like Boothman himself - would not have been the likely candidate to have played an sport under GAA control.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
blobbyblob
Spot on about Jones's Road. Bohs played their before 1901 :D
Well said because Pairc Na Long Kesh is going to be open to all sports and the Ulster Council of the GAA, the boys who brought Ulster Says No( to groundball and rugger in Croker) into Irish culture , have welcomed this development. We may even see Ulster Finals of bogball taking place in Staid Na Maze at Pairc Na Long Kesh in years to Come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncan Gardner
Exclusive: UEFA are interested in holding a Champions League Final in the hallowed ground of Croke Park, reports of ex-GAA men turning in their graves, the pro Rule 42 lobby are shocked and stunned by the news. Will the pro Rule 42 muppets finally bow before God and beg for forgiveness for hanging onto such a stupid rule and embrace soccer in Croke Park for the first time in over ninety years as an act of reconcilliation. Remember, Pope John Paul II played soccer and it was never a "foreign sport" to him. :ball:
Hail the Glorious Delegates that voted to open Croke Park to soccer for the first time in approx 95 years. :D Today was a victory for democracy, :D a victory for Ireland, :D a victory for soccer fans, :D a victory for GAA moderates and it sends a powerful message to the bigots! Welcome to the 21st Century!! :p