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Well you know me so well :rolleyes: . I make an 800+ mile round trip every month to watch them play, so, your right I couldn't care less about club football. :rolleyes: and if your wondering why only every month well, I would go every game but at the moment I can't afford. Still I bow to your superior knowlege of my football watching habbits. (how about another of those rollies type icons) :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
i guess i'm using my own barometer here. all the travel home and away and in europe means you have a love of a team. and no doubt you do this too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat O' Banton
and then you say you prefer the international team? your choice but i dont understand it myself
Why the need to understand anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
Yes I have followed my team home and away as well as in Europe and watching them live is a time consuming and expensive thing but not one that I would swap (I take it that the traveling that I undertake shows a passion and a commitment.) However what I don’t do is set a barometer for level of support of a team. What about someone who is unemployed, has had a child, simply isn’t earning enough to go to games on a regular basis are these any less committed than you or me?
And yes at the end of it all I still prefer the national team because I do. No explanation, no reasoning, just the way it is. Now does any of this make me less commited to club football? Any less involved in being a day in day out supporter? Is my club any less important to me?
for fcuks sake. are you intent on misunderstanding me or what? I've said its everyone's individual choice. I really don't care who you do or don't support. I made a comment on the way the replies on the thread were going, and expressed an opinion. I didn't tell you you were wrong (or right) to do what you do. get over itQuote:
Originally Posted by Pat O' Banton
I would suggest that your country doesn't mean very much to you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
Eanna, the point is that every time you go this subject you make it seem, to me at least, that you are part of a vanguard of fans who are the only ones who are passonate about club football as you put it 'day in day out' now I am simply pointing out that because we support the national side first it does not make us any less day in day out fans of club football. Do you understand that point? Now sorry if I am misinterpreting you but this is the way that your posts on the subject have come across.
well if thats how it was coming across, it wasn't my intention. I don't give a flying **** about the international team, but even when I did, City always came first. I can understand why your average barstool fan will put his country first ahead of a team he only sees on tv, but how someone who goes to games week in week out can put a national team first- well I just don't get it. But like I said, its not my place to judge anyone- support whoever you like. I'm not claiming to be better than anyone- well, except barstoolers :)
personally, I'm hugely proud of being Irish and there are a lot of things I love about ireland- the national football team isn't one of them. My country means a hell of a lot to me, but I just don't think the football team represents this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Well hombre, we agree on something as well as Palestine :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
But it is your opinion that brings you to that conclusion. Nobody from outside of Ireland think that so that's fine with me. If a Swedish person came up to me tomorrow and told me he thought the Irish national team wasn't representing the country of Ireland then fair enough. To every one of the 6+ billion people in the world (give or take or two) the Irish team is representing Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
It represents the Republic of Ireland actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
No football team represents Ireland.
well I'm not an expert on football in other countries, so why should I expect people from other countries to know the situation here. I never said it was fact, just my opinion. Is my opinion LESS valid because I AM Irish :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
that being one of the principle reasons I DON'T like the football team and DO support the rugby team.Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
No poser what so ever. It would have to be SRFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
I'm as proud as the next fella about being irish and i love to see ireland doing well. I travel to most the irish games but when it comes to choose between ireland and Rovers, the latter always comes first.
But in reality this question is only really applicable to eircom league fans.
I find it hard to understand the purpose of this thread as I see no conflict between supporting your club or your country. Why is there a necessity to chose one over the other, are Ireland going to be playing LOI clubs any time soon?
id rather Rovers under 12's won a corner kick before ireland won the world cup. the worlds greatest bandwaggon-jumping day tripper man yoo lovers dont deserve a successful international team
At last, some sense on this nonsensical thread. How irrelevant a premise it is to lump in the Irish national team with a club's fortunes. Yet this is a question so often posed on messageboards I surf from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboy
One attitude I do detect (and in fairness I can understand it to a degree) is that alot of people don't really enjoy going to Ireland matches given the amount of 'johnny come latelies' that seem to populate Lansdowne Road. For me, I've understood from an early age that the majority of people are bandwagon Ireland supporters. i.e. the kind of people who're all about the Irish team when things are going well but ridicules them mercilessly after one error srewn loss. (Begrudgery afterall is a most Irish trait) Certainly not the people who (largely) subscribe to this website. I'm not altogether happy with that scenario either but I've long learned to accept it.
As for the club-country debate Cowboy knocked that whole diatribe much more effectively than my long winded explanation ever could.
Right on.
SKBIO-TOR
its a hypothetical question lads. bit of off season fun like! dont answer it if you dont want to!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
I'd probably go with club :eek: with Ireland to win the WC in 2010 :D
Both highly unlikely ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by DE TOWN
I think you should be able to play for whatever country you like.
After all, you have people playing for Chelsea who are not Londoners.
How would propose this to work? Transfer system?Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Will it not just end up the same as club football?
Always club b4 country.
Just thinking about this and no offence but would this have anything to do with the fact that your club is not Irish therefore you do not see a conflict?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat O' Banton
You see yourself as Irish and this is your number 1 priority but your team is not so there is a clear distinction in your eyes between the 2, where as in the EL fans eyes there is not the same differentiation.
Just a thought.
nail on the head. its our English friends who want to be Irish that have the problem ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
No offence taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Speaking as someone who has had difficulty remembering his name when going into a football ground this is very deep, but seeing as I follow a team based in Glasgow the whole debate is wrapped up in how, as a 2ndG, I see the identity of that club. And as this ground has been gone over numouous times, I ain't even attempting to look at this again.
Oh dear :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
Love my clubs-amazingly passionate; their results can make me happy as or depressed! But Ireland takes precedance-there's something a lot different about supporting yours country! Eireann all the way! :D :D
Didn't realise you supported that lot as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat O' Banton
In my post I was referring to your obvious devotion to those from North London and the Potteries.
And I agree that other ground has been gone over a trillion times and thanks for not going there.
Oh add in Donegal, Hamburg and Belfast as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
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Originally Posted by Pablo
Explain please.
well, it says Eire/Ireland on the cover of me passport (not the Peoples' Republic of Bulgaria :D ) so its plastic Paddy, gravy stains, ole, ole, all the accustomary Paddy whackery stuff, Selthick shirts and Larry Leprechaun nonsense all de way.
What is with our Munster neighbours, are they planning to do 'a Slovenia' and seceede from the Irish Republic.
I can see it now, Fat as el Presidente, the hordes of the unwashed, grovelling at his feet, the Horsehoe as the seat of government....... the Peoples' Republic of Cawwwk.
Love it, but dont start the revolution without me. :p
how inferior you must feel to bring your petty insecurities into every threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Partizan
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Originally Posted by Pablo
A bit like some of you Cork lads I would think.
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Originally Posted by sylvo
we dont have insecurities my friend as we are the master race ;)
[QUOTE=Pablo]we dont have insecurities my friend
Apart from when someone mentions the name Celtic. ;)
Surely you mean "Ireland's greatest football club", dontcha Sylv? :D
:D PP
At the risk of quoting myself PP.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Don't even go there.
especially on a Friday.
We'll strike us a bargain then, Razor. You stop certain of your fellow Corconians spouting ****e, and we'll leave the Celtic references alone. Deal?
:) PP
sounds good to me.