I would bet you all I have that the FAI doesn't earn 'a heap of money' from the LOIQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
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I would bet you all I have that the FAI doesn't earn 'a heap of money' from the LOIQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
A trip on an alien spaceship
Limerick's relegation to the second tier won't dissuade me from going to their games next season.
Personally I had more respect for the First Division when there was a league below it for a few seasons.
I know I'm harping on but it is a disgrace that more provincial towns haven't teams in a league at a regional level linked to the LoI. While it's not something that would happen overnight, there should be an aspiration for making it possible.
They certainly do get a heap of money in terms of costs involved in running the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
In international football terms, it's not much, but in terms of LOI costs, it's a good lump of money that they'd otherwise lose out on by having only one division.
There's UEFA grants for each division an association has.
Wow, you'd think they'd install the regionalised third tier I'm harping on about for more grants!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...k9KQ_E.twitter
Interesting progress on this.
They're certainly better off going against the FAI collectively if they feel things need to change. Delaney has been known to punish those who oppose him publicly in the past so clubs would have been reluctant to go out on a limb.
Yeah, anyone be it LOI or local level that makes a nuisance of themselves are just marking themselves and their clubs out for "special" treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
I remain profoundly uncomfortable with 12 of the league clubs acting without the other 8. It's a totally artificial and arbitrary decision to have a body for only the premier clubs. It's great to see the clubs moving towards a bit more dialogue and cooperation but excluding good clubs from it is flat out wrong.
The First Division clubs are in a different situation. I'm all for everyone being represented, but one step at a time. They've managed to get the PD clubs to come together to take on Naughton. That in itself is a big thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
I'd love to see them get a majority to agree on a good candidate who has the interest of the league at heart, to remove Naughton.
That would be huge step in the right direction for the league.
He's up for "election" again in 11 or 12 months.
I think either a separate organisation for the First Division clubs or an expansion to include them is being considered and will probably happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Yeah that would be good. Even a seperate group for first division clubs initially would be great. Both groups would need to talk to each other though!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Who set the group up? Who's chairperson etc? It really is a good idea and long overdue!
I'm guessing that among the reasons for the group speaking through a barrister is so that the FAI can't just single out the ringleader and make it go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan
Haha yeah you're probably right! Jaysus it's worse than Soviet Russia!Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
Was the group set up with a Limerick a part of it, and are they anymore?
Yes and, presumably, no.
Pending getting the first division clubs involved I presume
And by extension does that mean Harps and Wexford are involved in the PCA now
The Irish Times article nigel linked above says they were both consulted so presumably they are.
This is a sensible move by the top flight clubs, could it be the start of a process that sees the clubs breakaway from the FAI and set up there own league, you never know these things tend to gather momentum especially if the FAI stonewall them.
Be careful what you wish for! The FAI have hardly covered themselves in glory with LoI. But it was no fun either when the league wasnt run by the FAI. Maybe clubs are better organised now than before, but petty rivalries and a slapdash attitude at administrative levels are not assured not to rear their heads again! Work within a framework with the FAI where clubs have not fallen at the feet of Delaney as some saviour this time. It is a good start not leaving clubs open to retribution for asking basic questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover
About time.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I was wondering how far the clubs would be pushed before they woke up.
Speaking with one voice is the only way for any kind of progress to be made.
Being honest I thought I would never see the day.
An expansion would be the way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
All League clubs should be represented by one organisation.
Exactly. Leave it as premier only and you're open to the divide and conquer tactic right from the start. Any club that can survive in senior football deserves respect and a voice in these situations.
The thing is no matter how clubs are represented they will still need to apply for the annual licence so they can't go back to their old ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Not that the licencing has stopped clubs getting into trouble.
The thing with the licences is that under the current regime is that they ignore important parts of it when it suits them.Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
I'd imagine the reason the FD clubs aren't included is becuase they would push for an extend/one division whereas most PD clubs will fight the recommendation to relegate up to 4 teams next season so by keeping the FD clubs out there's no divide within the group
Clubs with that ambition might as well save themselves a lot of misery and shut up shop now.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
You see my point thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
It's great that the PCA has been revived. Going on what happened with it before and what Eamonn Naughton has proven to be capable of, every club you invite adds to the danger that the last collapse of the PCA could come with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
It's certainly not ideal that FD clubs are not involved at the moment, it's not like it's a huge league pyramid.
I don't think it will be long before everyone is included. Hopefully some positive change can come about because of it.
They might end up frustrating the barrister into moving on... but hopefully not.
"I don't agree with your view so you can go to hell". Isn't that the sort of thinking that the clubs are attempting to avoid currently?Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
Whether or not a club wants an expanded Premier, less teams, more teams, one division, two divisions or any other idea is irrelevant. All the clubs should be pulling together and having their voices heard, irrespective of their views for the league structure.
Absolutely agree that First Division teams should be involved as much as Cork City, Dundalk, Shamrock Rovers or any other teams.
True but in reality if they enforced the licensing system rigidly we'd probably end up with a six of seven team league for the entire country.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
I think what they are trying to do is to get every club to improve over time with the carrot & stick approach.
Some clubs want to improve their standards but don't have the means or in some cases the knowledge needed so they are brought along gradually bit by bit in the hope that over a period of time they will be able to stand on their own feet with little help.
At the moment the licensing system should be seen in shades of grey where every club is coaxed along rather than black & white where you're either in or out.
I suspect what gufcfan may be referring to is that when Wellvan collapsed Derry were brought back in even though the deadline had passed, whereas when GUFC collapsed GUST were rejected. So on the one hand the licensing process is presented as a set of rules, but on the other hand it's clear shades of grey apply- which can be sensible, but can also undermine confidence in the system.