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Extratime and our bench agreeing about Boyle's two yellows! Second one was for the penalty, and we had Dundalk slightly rattled for a few minutes after pulling back to 4-2. If they'd been down to ten men, maybe we could have found a gap and pulled it back to 4-3 and see how Dundalk would respond. But then we've gone 1-0 up against them both times only to go 4-1 down; agitating them hasn't been the smartest of plans this season!
That might have just been the easiest Pats win I've ever seen. Drogheda are awful.
Our next league game is up in Oriel, should be a cracker. We will need to improve defensively if we want to get a result. Bolger has to start for us for that to happen.
The two Boyle yellow cards
https://vine.co/v/MpHzBWebl5b
Dundalk should be relegated to the Kerry League for this.
Boyle was clearly booked twice (confirmed now on tv). If I was a UCD/ Cork/Rovers /Pats fan I'd be livid... 4-2 against 10 would have given them some chance. Awful refereeing from four refs and a refs assessor all of whom are paid to be there. I assume Dundalk are in the clear as it wasn't our mistake but I assume Boyle will (rightly) be suspended when it's reviewed. I tip this ref for greatness.
He may achieve greatness but he'll never be as great as this fella.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-NRQz0P6vgQuote:
Originally Posted by seand
Out of interest what did you expect the refs assessor to do? Run onto pitch and haul player off? Last I checked their job was to observe game and report back. I assess in the North and we aren't even allowed to speak to referees at half time as can't be influencing game due to comments we may make.Quote:
Originally Posted by seand
Our games have been similar of late actually. It has been very quiet with little in the way of atmosphere despite relatively large crowds.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Cheers John, fair point, I assume our assessors are not allowed to contact refs either in that case. I just wondered if he couldn't contact the fourth official on the sideline. Remarkable that none of the four on-field officials spotted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by refjohn
I guess there's an extent to which the linesmen certainly just aren't looking out for that kind of thing. How often does it happen?
The fourth official, though, I think keeps a counter-check of bookings and events (refjohn may be able to correct), in which case he should have spotted it.
And one or two on our bench spotted it at the time - are they allowed to make the point to the fourth official?
Two yellow cards and not being sent off is just not good enough.
The performance of the officals last night was terrible. I didn't think the two penalties were penalties. Boyle got the ball, while Mountney overran the ball and lost balance. Also, UCD players constantly threw themselves to the ground (with an accompanying roar) and were awarded with free kicks every time. As for the linesmen, there were numerous wrong offside calls.
All in all, the poorest set of officials in Oriel Park so far this season. Particularly, when you consider that Dundalk Vs UCD is one of the easiest games to officiate.
I thought both penalties were penalties tbh.
Don't know where you're getting the constant diving from.
One thing that is interesting is on our first goal; the ref didn't count out the ten yards for the wall, but then blew his whistle for the free to be taken. This, I think, confused Cherrie, who was still sorting out the wall. When he saw Mulhall running up to take the free, Cherrie - who was on the post - ran towards the middle of the goal, but the ball went back the way he'd come, so he had little enough chance.
I thought the rule with a quick free though was that you either take the kick immediately or wait for the whistle? I'll post the video later, but the ref talks to Mulhall, then walks away for a few seconds and blows his whistle. This, by my understanding, isn't a quick free kick and so the ref should have marked out ten yards for the wall, which would have meant Cherrie would have been in position for the free.
Here's a quick free kick with no whistle.
Did the ref mess up again here?
Totally agree its in need of a makeshift, and a new stand (behind the town goal would be good), crying out for it actually. As one of the lads pointed out, there is a mention on the stadium thread to plans, article in a recent match programme gave some details, away section to be upgraded, disabled cover and final one I'd love to see, but not sure if just plans, to extend the main stand along one side, even that would be enough, as away fans could stay where they are, but obviously in a proper seated stand area with much better toilet and food/drink facilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Watched soccer rep, simply unbelievable how ref didn't spot the 2nd card for Boyle, I def thought it was a penalty, and he was lucky not to get a straight red for it, totally wreck less by the guy and could have cost us dearly. Moment of madness and he did realise it straight away, needs to learn from that especially as stand in captain.
Definitely admired UCD performance in the 2nd, I'd say for over 15 mins they had us under a bit of pressure, few teams have done that this season at home, but suppose we had a fair lead built up at the time.
Indeed. I thought of that straight away, although I was blaming Howard Webb instead of Graham Poll.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeepersBall
Easy, easy win for Pats last night, Dundalk away in 2 weeks is shaping up to be a cracker. Honestly think it's between the two of us for the Title (sorry Cork and Rovers :o).
I've noticed before when the ref books someone the linesman notes it down in a book of their own. I always assumed they both do it in case they need to step in and ref the match at any point. I honestly don't know how they all missed it last night considering it wasn't a dirty game and there was only two(?) bookings at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Can anyone confirm the process for suspension in this case? If Boyle had got the red he would miss the next game automatically but as he wasn't actually given the red what happens now?
Isn't an immediate one-match ban only for a straight red?
(Which, as noted above, he could well have gotten alright)
But in any event, I think your suspension is served, where possible, in the competition it was earned in, in which case he should be available for the Cup game regardless.
I remember a similar thing happening against Cobh a few years back (2008); I think the linesman stepped in to tell the ref to send the guy off alright, so you could have a point there.
Is there no precedent for playing the match again? I'd have thought that would be an option considering it probably did have a material effect on the outcome.
TBH, I'll take a 5-2 defeat over playing that match again!
Stop it now!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
The result stood after the Poll 3 red cards in a world cup finals - that should be precedence enough for the FAI
Technically, that's not really a precedence - yer man did get sent off in the end. Here, Boyle got to stay on for the full 90.
Edit - just checking wikipedia there; had forgotten that the third yellow was actually after the final whistle. Yer man (Simunic) had been booked the second time in injury time, and then confronted and pushed Poll after the end of the game. What a twit.
No. If you're sent off here (straight red or 2 yellows) you miss the next game in the competition it happened in (unless in a cup game where you've been knocked out, it which case it moves to "next competitive fixture")Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Any further suspension is served in "competitive games" and not limited to the tournament the cards were handed out in.
In Boyle's case he'd miss the Pats league game and not the FAI Cup game
Refereed for 14 years, only once did anything like this ever happen in a game I was involved with.
Leinster Junior Cup tie and I was on the line, the ref booked the visiting number 3 right in front of me in the first half, as the senior assistant I noted that on my card as well.
In the second half he cautioned him again and walked away without producing a red, I flagged him and before he did anything else he went back and sent him off, then came back and asked me what I was flagging for lol.
the assessor said afterwards that it looked messy, and it did, but that we got it right in the end.
I assume the referee on realising his error last night writes in to the FAI along with his match report stating he made a mistake and that Boyle should have been dismissed for two yellow card offences.
After that it's in the lap of the Gods.
Boyle should be suspended for the Pats game and they should suspend Towell and Hoban as well for good measure.
its the only way they'll learn !!!
It is strange! that players kept their mouths shut, Boyles reaction was one of a man being sent off which should have piqued the ref to check his notebook. If UCD bench were calling it surely the 4th official would have looked at his own record, surely UCD players said it, these incidents usually cause a ruck around the ref. Murmer round the ground chatting about it....all very odd, a larger and more vocal support would have been outraged, booing etc bringing attention to the error! Do refs totally block out the crowd,for example, is there a infallibility complex that is so adverse to listening to players and wouldnt check 'just in case', Should there be an obligation on the player to speak up? I think this is quite an interesting issue tbh due to the amount of questions it raises before even considering how a result could be influenced. Id say the ref is totally sickened today, it is not a job many would be willing to do so i do feel a bit sorry for the chap - Graham Poll was ranked the world's top ref when made the error and it finished his career more or less and he suffered quite badly after healthwise over it. Ok i'm getting soft on a ref due to being exiled and missing live games, i need a trip home!
Pfft, if it was a Finn Harps player he'd have been sent off three times.
Same thing happened in a Sligo Rovers/Shels cup game around 2003.
Gareth Gorman was booked twice by Dave McKeon but not sent off. They were the glory days.
http://www.irishfootballonline.com/news/947.html
Thats first division for ye, a totally different set of rules from the rest of the footballing world (managers getting sent off the bench hop a wall and stand behind the bench dishing out instructions from among the fans):pQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
That happened with Peter Hutton against Drogheda in the cup last season. He hopped the wall to about 10 yards from the bench where the rest of us were standing and started barking out orders from there, as well as the odd criticism of the fourth official. Probably the highlight of his time in charge of Harps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Hoban meant to be having minor knee surgery this week, so he will miss 3 weeks, and the next 2 games at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
Rossiter will come in for Boyle if he misses out, and McMillan will start in place of Hoban, I think even if these two miss out we will be strong enough to beat Pats, especially at home.
According to LMFM, Hoban is having a knee op today and will be out for three weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
It's that pitch, it's a jinx on all real footballing sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickccfc
It's not real grass ya know...
Am on the FAI mailing list for media and just received this.
Following receipt of the referee’s report from last night’s SSE Airtricity League Premier Division match between Dundalk and UCD at Oriel Park it has been confirmed that Dundalk player Andy Boyle (No. 4) received yellow cards in the 51st minute and 75th minute.
The matter will now be dealt with by the FAI Disciplinary Committee and the FAI Elite Referees Committee.
Elite referees committee? I presume they mean elite by their free passes in to the Aviva and their complimentary glass of orange juice...
McMillan gets his chance now with Hoban out for a few weeks, though 3 weeks is a little tight to be back to full fitness with any knee surgery even 'minor' surgery like meniscus repair and a general tidy up. While on such a good run the break may not be the best timing for us, unless we beat Pats which in that case it would be ok going into the break. Wouldnt want to stew on a loss for too long!
Saw it a couple of times, once in particular at Rathbane was funny as the ref stopped the game a couple of times to get Martin Murray to move back from the perimeter wall, Murray just took a couple of steps back laughing and shouted a little louder. Ah one of the very very few amusing moments of days in the 1st division.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Surprised McMillan hasn't really got a run out at Sligo or Dundalk yet. I know Dundalk in particular aren't exactly goal-shy, but someone who was among the top scorers in the league while with UCD would surely bag more than that with a better team. Though Killer hasn't really fulfilled his potential either, I guess.
McMillan was Dundalk top scorer prior to Pat Hoban scoring twice against UCD. Thats despite his very limited game timeQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Well he is getting his chance now so no pressure on him at all.
The ref only needs to blow his whistle to restart play after he has walked the 10 paces. I presume once the ref starts to pace the wall, the ball is out of play and therefore he needs to blow in order for play to resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
He doesn't need to blow the whistle if he doesn't pace out the wall.
But there's nothing to say in the rules that he can't blow his whistle, in the incident you describe.
Whistle happy is not a crime.
Well, here's the goal (first one). Maybe it's just the slowest quick free kick ever. The ref definitely doesn't pace out the wall as he hasn't walked ten paces by the time he blows his whistle. Though maybe he just decided he was happy where the wall was?
It just seems to be neither one thing nor the other, and I'd be fairly sure that confused Cherrie to an extent. That shot shouldn't have beaten him ordinarily.