Mark Kennedy

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

You can listen again to a section of the 'Off the Ball' interview with Kilbane here: https://goo.gl/ys0fvj

Kennedy revealed that he doesn't take an interest in the national team and that he had had a previously-undisclosed falling out with Brian Kerr in early 2003. He didn't play for Kerr or Ireland after that. Some of what Kennedy said in the interview is quoted here: http://www.newstalk.com/mark-kennedy...-kevin-kilbane

Originally Posted by Newstalk "I couldn't tell you the last time I watched an Ireland game, not because I don't care about my country. I'm very, very passionate about my country. But I've no interest in the national team. None whatsoever," Kennedy said, before expanding on what happened.

"I vividly remember when - and I cannot be any more honest in this - Brian Kerr's first game in charge was against Scotland and I played for Wolves on the Saturday and I had a groin injury ironically.

"And I personally rang Brian Kerr, and said to him - a physio had spoke to him. I rang him that night on the Saturday and I'll never forget it.

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Er...what exactly is an ironic groin injury?

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Originally Posted by geysir

"I have no interest" is actually more indicative of Kennedy's low regard for Kerr. Kennedy wasn't even peddling the injury excuse, just openly mocking Kerr by mentioning a phantom injury as a faux excuse.
"I just said [to Brian Kerr], 'I'm not going. I'm injured, I have no interest.'" He had no interest in playing, but Kerr choose to select the sick note thing to inform the press.
Kerr was just as much as a bóllix as Kennedy was over that little event maybe more so Kerr as he was the elder, Kerr had no such scruples in bending over backwards to get the rebel Keane back into the team.

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So, Kennedy just stuck that line in now (during his interview with Kilbane) to mock Kerr or are you saying you think he used the "I'm injured" line at the time to Kerr (in 2003) in order to mock him then?

Whether he was mocking him sarcastically to emphasise just how little he cared for Kerr (which is disrespectful), whether it was now or then, or whether it was a made-up excuse to get out of the call-up (which is also disrespectful), I think it's still a bit rich for him to be dubbing Kerr a "cheeky b*stard". Kennedy is hardly in a position to be claiming the moral high-ground given his smart-alecky contribution.

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Originally Posted by samhaydenjr

Er...what exactly is an ironic groin injury?

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Kennedy used that irony word twice in the interview and both times misplaced.
I took it to mean that it just so happened that he actually was carrying an injury.

It's like 10,000 spoons.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Kennedy used that irony word twice in the interview and both times misplaced.
I took it to mean that it just so happened that he actually was carrying an injury.

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As opposed to having to make one up, which may have been the more expected or usual mechanism by which Kennedy was able to avoid a call-up? :p

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

So, Kennedy just stuck that line in now (during his interview with Kilbane) to mock Kerr or are you saying you think he used the "I'm injured" line at the time to Kerr (in 2003) in order to mock him then?

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I think Kennedy made it very clear to Kerr that he wasn't interested to join up with the squad for the early summer tournament and that he had not time for Kerr. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on his exact recollection of a 10 year old conversation, most people just remember a sentiment, not the exact words they used to express that sentiment. It sounds like Kennedy has an active list of people who he has no time for.

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Whether he was mocking him sarcastically to emphasise just how little he cared for Kerr (which is disrespectful), whether it was now or then, or whether it was a made-up excuse to get out of the call-up (which is also disrespectful), I think it's still a bit rich for him to be dubbing Kerr a "cheeky b*stard". Kennedy is hardly in a position to be claiming the moral high-ground given his smart-alecky contribution.

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And Kerr can be narky, sarcastic, bitter.
In the newstalk program, Kilbane explained (in his experience) how these type of ego conflict situations can easily develop and fester unless nipped at the bud with communication.

I'd have thought the onus for that first encounter before the Scotland game was on the manger to clarify an issue with a player not throw fuel on it. It was Kerr's first game but he was an experienced 50 years old manager. Kennedy when fit was at least a squad member and it was a very thin squad with half the first team past their best.

Whatever the opinions are about O'Neill's acumen as a coach, it's obvious that he's a first class manager and you can see the benefits of that quality getting us through games, where the scales of football skills are weighed against us.

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Originally Posted by geysir

I think Kennedy made it very clear to Kerr that he wasn't interested to join up with the squad for the early summer tournament and that he had not time for Kerr. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on his exact recollection of a 10 year old conversation, most people just remember a sentiment, not the exact words they used to express that sentiment. It sounds like Kennedy has an active list of people who he has no time for.

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There's no dispute over the interpretation of the sentiment. I think that's pretty evident; he has very little regard for Kerr. How to interpret his inclusion of the "I'm injured" line was a more interesting focus for me given he was protesting in the very next line about being dubbed "sicknote". If he used that line at the time, even if it was used sarcastically in an "I couldn't care less, I'm 'injured'; take your pick, whatever... :rolleyes:" sort of manner, he could hardly complain if it came back to bite him. One reaps what they sow and all that.

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And Kerr can be narky, sarcastic, bitter.
In the newstalk program, Kilbane explained (in his experience) how these type of ego conflict situations can easily develop and fester unless nipped at the bud with communication.

I'd have thought the onus for that first encounter before the Scotland game was on the manger to clarify an issue with a player not throw fuel on it. It was Kerr's first game but he was an experienced 50 years old manager. Kennedy when fit was at least a squad member and it was a very thin squad with half the first team past their best.

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Maybe Kerr can be sarcastic/bitter, and I agree communication and dialogue is key (on both sides) in order to prevent needless escalations - often it takes one embroiled ego to yield, re-assess things professionally for a second and set the emotional baggage aside rather than dive in again personally - but I'd still like to hear Kerr's perspective as Kennedy's version of events is just bizarre and relies on Kerr being near-senile, which doesn't seem plausible to me.

Kennedy claimed they had a conversation with one another over the phone but says that Kerr left a message on his phone later that same day informing Kennedy that he didn't like hearing things "third-hand". Kennedy's reporting of this episode thus implied that Kerr believed that the alleged earlier conversation hadn't even taken place. That's just odd. How could Kerr simply forget an entire conversation a few hours earlier?

A more likely explanation is surely that Kerr erroneously left a message on Kennedy's phone that was actually intended for another unknown player; that Kerr called the wrong number on his phone due to a mix-up or a moment of carelessness, didn't realise it and left a message intended for some other player who he'd heard was injured through a third party. It seems Kennedy may have received this message and immediately jumped to the conclusion without seeking clarification that he was the intended target of Kerr's criticism when it mightn't have been the case at all.

That would be my guess. It seems a more plausible explanation. What do you think the explanation for that peculiar episode is?

If my guess was the case though, surely Kennedy would have had the gumption to realise it was a distinct possibility. It could have been easily resolved by him asking the simple, obvious question - "Was that message definitely meant for me?" - and/or Kerr or someone at the FAI updating him (if Kerr/they was/were even aware of the error) or clarifying in reply that the message was actually intended for another player but that Kerr had unfortunately dialled the wrong number without realising.

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Whatever the opinions are about O'Neill's acumen as a coach, it's obvious that he's a first class manager and you can see the benefits of that quality getting us through games, where the scales of football skills are weighed against us.

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Wholeheartedly agree.

Surely the only reason Man City have Mark Kennedy coaching young players is as a " Bad Warning " .......If You carry-on like Mark Kennedy then you will have wasted a very large part of the talent you have .

Sometimes a "Bad Warning "is better than a " Good Example "

I wonder if he's rooting for Natalie Portman to win the Oscar this weekend?

Off topic but you'd miss Crosby all the same.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

Off topic but you'd miss Crosby all the same.

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Well, his season started early, what with winning the World Cup and all and he's had a concussion-free run so I guess he's too busy and clear-thinking to come on foot.ie

What you wrote:

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Originally Posted by KrisLetang

I wonder if he's rooting for Natalie Portman to win the Oscar this weekend?

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What most of us saw:

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Originally Posted by KrisLetang

Blah blah blah blah rooting blah Natalie Portman blah blah blah blah blah blah

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:drool::drool:

It's one of these progressive foot ie rehab programs, where the candidate is first cast out to the wilderness, is reborn, then returns to carry on exactly where they left off.

Full interview released: http://cdn.radiocms.net/media/001/au...audio_file.mp3

Kennedy appointed first team coach at Macclesfield under Sol Campbell: https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/2018/dec...st-team-coach/

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Kennedy appointed first team coach at Macclesfield under Sol Campbell: https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/2018/dec...st-team-coach/

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We can only hope he is more dedicated to his coaching career than he was to his playing career .
Perhaps he has learned with age . Youth is wasted on the Young .

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Kennedy appointed first team coach at Macclesfield under Sol Campbell: https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/2018/dec...st-team-coach/

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One of the most Championship-Managery appointments I've seen in a long while.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

One of the most Championship-Managery appointments I've seen in a long while.

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Mark or Sol?

The combination

Just need Tonton Zola Moukouko to pitch up as Director of Football now. Ah, I miss CM!

This book's next in my reading pile -

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....4,203,200_.jpg

Don't know if it's any good - it's more a random collection of stuff about CM rather than a book as such - but it does feature interviews with the likes of Tonton Zola Moukoko and even Tó Madeira FC. Should be a nostalgia hit if nothing else!

I heard the author being interviewed on Phantom FM one time - he had to pause the game to take the interview!

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

One of the most Championship-Managery appointments I've seen in a long while.

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https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2752&stc=1

One of my favourite ones Championship Manager threw up recently (yes, I'm still playing 01-02, what of it?!)

September 2032?! Bloody heck.

I think this calls for a general CM thread actually

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

September 2032?! Bloody heck.

I think this calls for a general CM thread actually

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I did use a patch which started you in the 2017/18 season, but yeah, still...

I've recently started playing it again. How did you get the background images?

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Originally Posted by IsMiseSean

I've recently started playing it again. How did you get the background images?

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You can download them (and a load of other cool stuff) from champman0102.co.uk

Kennedy never watches Ireland matches and has no interest in the Irish team, I remember him saying in an interview with (I think it was) Kilbane.

That’s a big black mark against him for me

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Kennedy never watches Ireland matches and has no interest in the Irish team, I remember him saying in an interview with (I think it was) Kilbane.

That’s a big black mark against him for me

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duffer said the same but i never believed that a lad who travelled to Ireland games as an injured player would lose interest like that

I suppose given he was effectively banned from the team for the last ten years of his career, some resentment could be expected.

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

duffer said the same but i never believed that a lad who travelled to Ireland games as an injured player would lose interest like that

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Probably doing it more for his mates than for Ireland.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I suppose given he was effectively banned from the team for the last ten years of his career, some resentment could be expected.

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He was in the World Cup 2002 squad but had to pull out through injury. Apparently was in tears after the charity game against Sunderland (in which he scored).

Found this recently and watched most of the game.

1st and 2nd halves of Ireland V Yugoslavia, 1999.
We played some lovely football back then. At one point, Alan Kelly catches the ball and immediately throws it to Stephen Carr at RB and we are on the attack.
Don’t think we’ve done that for about 15 years.

https://youtu.be/vpvbMZxMBz0

https://youtu.be/Xz2urNZq9io

Appointed head coach at Macclesfield: https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/2020/jan...ew-head-coach/
Doesn't look like they have a manager, so I guess he's manager in all but name?

Lost the first game in charge 2-1 away to a Colchester side managed by John Mcgreal. Probably the most 1990s thing you'll read today. .

Remember listening to a podcast with him and (I think) Kevin Kilbane where he said he'd no interest in the Irish national team. Wouldn't watch them in a big match even. Came across as a bit bitter. Think he felt he deserved more from McCarhty and he was scapegoat a bit after him and Babb were sent home before the Holland game.
He failed to mention he got back in the team and was offered a place in the 2002 world cup squad but pulled out due to injury.
Babb made his way back into the team as well.

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Remember listening to a podcast with him and (I think) Kevin Kilbane where he said he'd no interest in the Irish national team. Wouldn't watch them in a big match even. Came across as a bit bitter. Think he felt he deserved more from McCarhty and he was scapegoat a bit after him and Babb were sent home before the Holland game.
He failed to mention he got back in the team and was offered a place in the 2002 world cup squad but pulled out due to injury.
Babb made his way back into the team as well.

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Kennedy had a bad attitude as a player . I wonder how that works when such a player goes into management .

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Kennedy had a bad attitude as a player . I wonder how that works when such a player goes into management .

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He persisted with playing and made a name for himself at city and wolves in their recovery. I never heard he had an especially bad attitude as a pro .. at the time dancing drunk on cars in Harcourt st was par for the course (have you ever heard Graham stacks stories...?). Slightly old fashioned maybe at that point but he was out of millwall, exposed to ruddock at Liverpool.. what do you expect like..;). his application in the latter half of his career suggests he got what he could out of it. I think he just wasnt as good as duff or as effective as kilbane. Killer player a lot of games at the top level.. easy to forget...
Kennedy could be an excellent lower league coach

There was a massive buzz around Kennedy when he first come onto the scene. Remember taking a day off school to watch him play a U21 international against England in Dalymount. :-) And remember us losing badly out in Vienna but Kennedy having the beating of his man and putting in dangerous balls. Never really got his career going from its early start.

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Originally Posted by dynamo kerry

He persisted with playing and made a name for himself at city and wolves in their recovery. I never heard he had an especially bad attitude as a pro .. at the time dancing drunk on cars in Harcourt st was par for the course (have you ever heard Graham stacks stories...?). Slightly old fashioned maybe at that point but he was out of millwall, exposed to ruddock at Liverpool.. what do you expect like..;). his application in the latter half of his career suggests he got what he could out of it. I think he just wasnt as good as duff or as effective as kilbane. Killer player a lot of games at the top level.. easy to forget...
Kennedy could be an excellent lower league coach

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I remember an Irish Times journalist, who I shall not name( out of respect for those hurt by his actions) relating a tale of an Irish player setting fire to a handful of the local currency in an ex-Communist country in front of a bunch of locals, for the craic (am absolutely disgraceful act).....anyone remember the story and know who it was, allegedly, or whatever?