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Originally Posted by redobit
What if we get one of those independent reviews of our finances like Sligo got to calm fears? Could Rovers fans sort that our for us like they did for them?
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Originally Posted by redobit
What if we get one of those independent reviews of our finances like Sligo got to calm fears? Could Rovers fans sort that our for us like they did for them?
Good to see he is building from the bottom up Jofspring. It could be a very worth while project.
In fairness Dodge I would have thought O'Sullivans intentions were fairly clear.
I suppose like any business ventre it will come down to a couple of things. The willingless to see the project through and more importantly the depth of the developers pockets. If Pat has both, then Limerick could become a real force in the long term. We wait and see...
In today's local Pat says he will not be splashing the cash next season on players as he feels we have a strong enough squad to play football in the premier. He mentions players will only come in if they have something really special to offer and any aditional sponsorhip money and support that comes in will not be blown on players. He also says we don't want to end up like the last 4 clubs that have gone out of existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
We need to strengthen our back line especially centre half position we are very weak with zero pace a winger and a striker needed aswell.
Ya we definitely need a few new faces I just don't think there will be an overhaul like some people would expect with an owner pumping money into a club.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas72
As far as pace is concerned we seem to have some very good 19's and I'd like to see them get there chance.
Who owns the rest? Do the fans own a share?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
LEDP as in Limerick Enterprise Development Partnership, so what ever is developed will be theirs? Will the club have to pay rent to LEDP for use of the facility?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Spingal had all sorts of teams, deaf teams, blind teams, womens, underage, they had loads going on, until they didnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
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a private equity fund that invest principally in the healthcare, technology, property, media and leisure sectors. They are also engaged in stocks and real estate. They have offices in Jersey, London and Dublin
How does that sound? Fairly reputable company there you would think. And all the above was promised as well ....
Hey if it happens then brilliant, until it happens, then exploit the good vibe around Limerick and form a supporters trust for yourselves.
Pat may even own 100%of the club, I wouldn't know the specific details to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Ya that's the LEDP. JP is the one behind them. One of the reasons it was bought in their name is so down the line the club cannot use the ground towards wages etc... And run up debt against it. As far as I know the club will be paying rent, whether that is a minimal charge I don't know.
The markets field is to be used for other codes too and not just soccer. We will basically be the anchor tenants if you will.
Fingal still have a special Olympics team.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
http://www.limerickfc.ie/special-oly...ting-fingal-fc
Fingal were always dodgy though, no past history, little support, going up against some historic clubs in Dublin for fans, pumping ridiculous money in wages to a whole squad of top LOI players and to top it off they were relying on a property developer that despite getting in trouble himself financially still kept pumping money he didn't have into the first team. They didn't try build a club, they tried to build a franchise over night by throwing money at it in the hope of instant success.
If we finish anywhere near mid table next season with averages near 1,500 fans I will see that as good progression and something to continue building on.
If? Most of the stuff mentioned by Jobspring has happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
I'd say 1500 is a bit much if ye are only mid table, and mid table is a bit much if Scully is your manager given his record against remotely decent football teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Mid table involves losing/drawing a lot of games, (its not remotely fun, though I'm sure after that last couple of decades that is something your hardcore are more than comfortable) and the passing fan isn't interested in a team that isn't winning regularly.
Secondly, while Mr. O'Sullivan talks a good game and sounds confident I still don't see ye playing in Markets Field anywhere near the start of the season. Too much slippage in terms of dates it will be ready, ye were to be in there for the start of this season, then oh we can wait til next year cos we're in the first maybe even have it ready for the end of this season, and here we are in October and planning still hasn't been submitted. Someone mentioned that the fact that it hasn't been submitted yet means if no one complains ye still wouldn't make the start of the season and you can guarantee someone will. My money is on the closest GAA team.
So assuming you start the season in Jackman park thats one opportunity lost in terms of winning over new fans, something for the locals to get excited about (look at Tallaght for a good example, though most likely on a different scale). On top of that while Premier Division teams will bring you more of an away crowd they don't bring massive numbers on a regular basis. You will get some who willbe interested in seeing a new ground, again that would be multiplied for Markets Field. many fans will not want to visit Jackman, because its horrible. Shamrock Rovers fans kicked up a fuss over teh facilities in Turners Cross and while they had some legitmate concerns I think its safe to say Turners Cross offers a better experience for the away fan than Jackman Park.
You will get increased home crowds for the likes of Shamrock Rovers and possibly Sligo as champions, but many teams won't bring hundreds upon hundreds to Limerick. Shamrock Rovers always travel well, but no one else generally bring more than a couple of hundred fans to Cork, Sligo last week excepted, though they brought about 30 for the previous game when they weren't looking like absolute certs for the league.
1500 would put you ahead of (mid table) Derry, Bohs, Shels and title challenging Pats. In a championship season your average is 677, Shels in a similar but more exciting season last year reached 781 last year and are now only at 1200, in a much better stadium than Jackman Park. They also, you'd imagine do well as so many clubs don't have so far to travel to get to Tolka, something our clubs don't benefit from.
Get into Markets field and I'd revise my prediction, but I'd be surprised if ye top 1100 next season. I actually think I'm being overly optimistic there. Play the full season in Jackman and I'd say 900.
The schoolboy/academy section is self sufficient and nothing to do with the senior team per se.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
The ground was bought in trust by JP McManus for the use of Limerick senior football. Which is fairly common knowledge tbh.
LOL, wut?!Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
And here, in a nutshell, is everyones concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
A man who thinks the closest GAA team (who play over the hills and far away from the Markets Field fwiw) are going to object to the JPDome.
Absolutely clueless. And I genuinely mean no offence there, how could you be expected to half a clue, you're not from Limerick, you're just idly speculating on an internet forum.
Like all the other idle speculators in here.
If Limerick aren't in in March it'll be because the plans have changed.
On the crowds next season, I'd be well pleased with a 900 average.
BTW Fingal aren't the worst case scenario for anything. They left without owing a penny to any creditors (inc players etc)
All they were missing was a fanbase. Something limerick teams should be OK with
Fair enough 1,500 may be a little bit optimistic but never underestimate the Limerick bandwagon. We averaged 677 in a division with pretty much no traveling support, despite winning the league we were brutal in the majority of games at home and the the opposition was nowhere the calibre of whats in the premier but people still managed to come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
That's pretty much exactly what I said in the Markets Field thread in our own section.Quote:
Secondly, while Mr. O'Sullivan talks a good game and sounds confident I still don't see ye playing in Markets Field anywhere near the start of the season. Too much slippage in terms of dates it will be ready, ye were to be in there for the start of this season, then oh we can wait til next year cos we're in the first maybe even have it ready for the end of this season, and here we are in October and planning still hasn't been submitted. Someone mentioned that the fact that it hasn't been submitted yet means if no one complains ye still wouldn't make the start of the season and you can guarantee someone will. My money is on the closest GAA team.
I don't think any Limerick FC fan would disagree with you there.Quote:
So assuming you start the season in Jackman park thats one opportunity lost in terms of winning over new fans, something for the locals to get excited about (look at Tallaght for a good example, though most likely on a different scale). On top of that while Premier Division teams will bring you more of an away crowd they don't bring massive numbers on a regular basis. You will get some who willbe interested in seeing a new ground, again that would be multiplied for Markets Field. many fans will not want to visit Jackman, because its horrible. Shamrock Rovers fans kicked up a fuss over teh facilities in Turners Cross and while they had some legitmate concerns I think its safe to say Turners Cross offers a better experience for the away fan than Jackman Park.
Play the full season in Jackman and I would definitely say around 900 average maximum.Quote:
Play the full season in Jackman and I'd say 900.
I knew there was some correlation between a new team in a new area and a team from a city which has put a League Of Ireland team on the field for the last 75 unbroken years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
There simply had to be when everyone kept comparing them.
It turns out the answer is not running up debts.
Thanks Dodge.
Just saying that we believed everything that Arkaga said as well at the start, they were an invertment companies who's portfoilo was mainly health industry and education. It was all good news, and they were spending money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
The best thing our club has ever done was start a supporters trust.
Not everyone is as thick as Cork fans... ;)Quote:
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I'll raise your negative comment with a concerned, slightly patronising "Have you thought this through properly" comment with a well done at the end.
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Not surprised at all to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
The planning process could easily hold ye up. The absolute minimum from when the application is made until work can begin on site is 14 weeks (say mid january, inc. for xmass holidays). That would mean approx. 2 months to get the work completed prior to season starting start of March.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
And if youre puting it out to tender straight after planning (assuming its ready to go out) it could be another month before a contractor is on site. Not to mention you need to get your Fire Cert and Disability Cert sorted while planning application is in (takes min. 8 weeks plus how ever long for the Engineers to do it).
It could be very tight time wise and thats barring no Planners futher Information or objections but if youre well prepared its possible.
Fails to see the sarcasm, goes on a massive rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
people object. someone with too much time on their hands will definitely object, i dont know where mf is, all i know of limerick is ul and jackman, but banking on a gaa club complaining is safe enough, they dont care for the loi in general and dont like to see any loi club make progressQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
but even if they dont, someone else will and even jp mcmanus cant stop that (nor should he be able to)
There's an architect in Longford who spends his time perusing planning applications all over the country and objecting to them. Speculation is rife as to whether he does it in the hope that someone will make it worth his while to go away or whether he just likes to prove he knows more about the planning laws than anyone else. On one infamous occasion a developer paid him to do the initial plans to try and ensure he couldn't object. He didn't object, but his wife did. To give him his due he's rarely completely defeated. A recent example is his objection to the rebuilding of the cathedral in Longford, a move that made him about as popular as Mr Burns when he blocked out the sun. Moral of the story, as said above, there's always one.
The GAA doesn't have a a totally stellar following in the city though, from my observation, most of the clubs in that area are pretty small fry compared to the clubs in the county. Na Piarsaigh got a lot of attention this year, but they're on the other side of the river.
In all of the Market's Field saga, the only objections put forth were from city Councillors who wanted community halls or something included in the plans.
How in gods name did ye end up with so many ghost estates in Longford after all this chaps efforts!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Local paper (the post) saying a major announcement is expected on the coming days that crunch meeting took place last week and this week and an announcement Will be made after that.
Also has this: http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php...one-title.html
Which features how Pat O'Sullivan found out about promotion.
Hmmmm interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas72
Edit: just read it there, it's to do with what sports will be played at te Markets Field.
If the GAA get into the Markets Field, you are finished. The dimensions of a GAA pitch will preclude any development in the Markets and over time they will push you and any other sport out. They tried the same guff with Rovers in Tallaght and objections were raised a few years ago when the RSC was refurbished and developed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring